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| JohnSlack
| posted on 10-03-2001 @ 12:28 PM |    | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01  | God damn I'm sick of that country! Fucking 6,000 Americans die, and all they have to say is "this is what we go through every day" and then they try to get us to destroy their enemies, calling arafat a terrorist just so we would attack him. Fuck off, take care of your own shit! Speaking of, I think its great that they call the PLO terrorists for attacking the people that are OCCUPYING THE COUNTRY THAT THEY HAVE LIVED IN FOR 5,000 years, that the british gave to you! We give them fucking 30 billion dollars a year, and what have we ever got in return - jack shit. And don't give me that whole 'democratic presence' shit, the fucking saudis, and UAE have helped us much more, plus they have the fucking oil. Most of my Jewish friends are normal, but then you get the ones that think because they are jewish that it makes them middle east history scholars. fuck you! and if you tell them they are full of shit or that you don't peticulary care for israel, you're a fucking anti-semite. Ah I feel better.  "Philly: It's Camden - with a bell." - Jim Norton | ||||
| VooDude | posted on 10-03-2001 @ 2:25 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 01 | quote:Particularly hmmm, I wonder if this thread will start any fights...
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| Ken'sPen [Sarcasm] Doesn't Live Up To The Hype [/Sarcasm] I should have stayed OVER THERE | posted on 10-03-2001 @ 2:33 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | If it wasn't for France we'd all be speaking Hebrew. | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 10-03-2001 @ 2:40 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Viva La France. Where is the little frenchy anyway?  | ||||
| spitfire421 | posted on 10-03-2001 @ 2:41 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | quote: He surrendered. VooDude, we don't have to live up to our statuses to that extreme...  We Have Not YetBegun To Fight NEVER FORGET!!! | ||||
| FeelMyFunBags | posted on 10-03-2001 @ 2:53 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: Oh dear...where to begin where to begin.... First of all, Arafat has been linked to terrorist activities in the West Bank etc. So in actuality he is a terrorist. Don't doubt for a second that just because he did the proper public relations thing of donating blood that he is a totally decent human being. In fact, I remember reading in the New York Times about a week or so ago that the leaders of Palestinean organizations had called of terrorist activities in the wake of the tradgedy in New York City, Washington, and Pennsylvania. Was it good that they called off these attacks? Obviously. But the fact that they had to call them off means that they are in fact a terrorist organization. President Bush has declared a war on all terrorist organizations, not only the ones who had a direct link to the attacks on our nation on September 11th. As far as your stance regarding the Palestinians and other Arabs living on the land that is now known as Israel for over 5,000 years, that is true, but what you are not aknowledging is the fact that the Jews had been dispersed from the region due to the fact that they were constantly being taken over by other nations, etc. Had they had a chance to grow as strong as the Islamic Caliphates did, perhaps this wouldn't even be an issue right now. Regardless of who was there longer, the fact still remains that Israel was created after WWII to be a safe haven, and it was never intended to be a total Jewish state. The problem lies in the fact that the Arabs feel they should have total control....you cannot blame Israel the country for the problems that are in that area...these tensions run thousands of years deep. Perhaps if there is a creation of a Palestinean state some of the Israeli/Arab tensions can subside...but to blame Israel for saying that they experience this kind of violence everyday is nonsensical...watch the news...death there is an everday occurence.  "I know every one of you, I know the sea of torment, doubt, despair and unbelief." -Walt Whitman USA | ||||
| JohnSlack
| posted on 10-03-2001 @ 3:11 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | Here is a question for you... Was George Washington a terrorist? Fighting against an occupying power isn't terrorism. Do I agree with killing of civilians, no way. Israel was created as a Jewish state, there is no doubt about it. The Palestinians were promised their freedom from British occupation if they stood with the allies during WWI. However British Foreign Minister Arthur James Balfour promised the International Zionists a homeland for the Jews in Palestine. Seriously, though Israel and Palestine can do whatever the hell they want, I could give two shits about it. I'm just tired of the population of American Jews that are basically separatists. For example, after Sep 11, my university held a candle light vigil. They handed out red, white, and navy blue candles that everyone lit. Everyone, that is, except the Jewish Student group that lit their own light blue (the color of the Israeli flag) candles. No they weren’t Israeli, but American Jews . Its shit like that that burns me up. "Philly: It's Camden - with a bell." - Jim Norton | ||||
| FeelMyFunBags | posted on 10-03-2001 @ 3:30 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Hmmm.... To call George Washington a terrorist is nonsensical for many reasons. He was the leader of the Revolutionary Army, and was fighting the British after a war had been declared. The Declaration of Independence had already been signed, and the British knew what was happening. In Israel, the Palestineans have made no formal declaration of independence from what they consider to be a totally Jewish state, and they are not fighting war like battles, they are fighting like terrorists with no regard towards the life of civilians. As for what you said about the Jewish organizations in your school with the candles, I think that is disgusting...you live in this country, you should identify with this country. "I know every one of you, I know the sea of torment, doubt, despair and unbelief." -Walt Whitman USA | ||||
| Ken'sPen [Sarcasm] Doesn't Live Up To The Hype [/Sarcasm] I should have stayed OVER THERE | posted on 10-03-2001 @ 3:36 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | I think the only fair thing, is to allow the Palestinians to open a few Casinos in Israel. | ||||
| JohnSlack
| posted on 10-03-2001 @ 3:56 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | The Americans were labeled terrorists by the British for their cruelty, non-traditional warfare, fought by commoners, not soldiers...interesting.. don't get me wrong, i'm not saying I support the palestinians in what they are doing, but I understand their point of view, especially the anti-american one. To quote one palestinian "every day I find out about another one of my family members being killed - by american weapons." "Philly: It's Camden - with a bell." - Jim Norton | ||||
| CriticsLoveSnatch i know better than to ask for a status from you mean ol' mods I shall call him mini-FTL | posted on 10-03-2001 @ 4:07 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | ok lets see here...Israel is the only completely democratic government in that region, a region that obviously has a lot of countries that wish to do America harm. don't you think that it makes sense to aid and preserve the only country in the middle east that might want to be friendly with us? you have to understand that what happened here on 9/11 happens EVERY DAY in Israel. on a smaller scale, this is true, but almost on a weekly basis some palestinian straps a bomb to himself and sets it off in a market or restaurant. I'm not saying the Israelis are 100% right, they've made mistakes too, but our helping them is in our best interests as well as theirs.  and thinking's just too much to ask and you're measuring your minutes by a clock thats blinking eights | ||||
| VooDude | posted on 10-03-2001 @ 4:49 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 01 | quote:Yeah, I know, it's like a disease. Sorry... quote:Ha, good one. "Mohammed's Slots o' Fun" or maybe "Akhmed's Palace of Roulette". But seriously, do you think the Israelis and Arabs will ever be happy together on the same little patch of desert? Will the Arabs ever accept the Jewish homeland? Should we just let the Israelis have a few counties in West Texas to call home?
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| FeelMyFunBags | posted on 10-03-2001 @ 4:52 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Personally, I don't think there can ever be peace if both sides keep on clinging to the idea that they are the only ones who righteously (sp) belong there. I think the best thing to do would be to take the area that is considered to be the holiest, and not assign it to any one country. It should be like international territory where no one would really live...it should be more of a place to worship and visit. Then they should just appropriate land for both sides to call their own.....who knows if we will ever see peace...but stranger things have happened... "I know every one of you, I know the sea of torment, doubt, despair and unbelief." -Walt Whitman USA | ||||
| JohnSlack
| posted on 10-03-2001 @ 5:05 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | quote: hmm... making allies based soley on that fact that it is a democracy...gee that method never got us in trouble before..::coughvietnamcough:: We have plenty of allies in the area, UAE, Egypt, Qatar, and most importantly, the Saudis. Saudi Arabia is a major source of oil, not to mention they let us lauch desert storm from their country..thats what i call an ally. Here is a quote from a Lt Colonel about Israel as an Ally: "Israel, on the other hand has no strategic, social or political depth in the region and has no coalition partners in the Middle East. Indeed, it has been in a state of war with each of its surrounding neighbors since its creation. " "Philly: It's Camden - with a bell." - Jim Norton | ||||
| VooDude | posted on 10-03-2001 @ 5:09 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 01 | Absolutely agree FMFB. I wish people could just worship their God, and not worry about killing the one's who don't agree with them. quote:I think the UN had this idea a fews years ago. It sounds like a good plan to me. Unfortunately, the Israelis and Palestinians didn't exactly buy into this plan...
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| CriticsLoveSnatch i know better than to ask for a status from you mean ol' mods I shall call him mini-FTL | posted on 10-03-2001 @ 5:11 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: "Do you believe in God?" "No." ::BANG BANG BANG:: THEN DIE! "Do you believe in God?" "Yes." "Do you believe in my God?" "No." ::BANG BANG BANG:: THEN DIE! My god has a bigger dick than your god! Carlin is a genious. and thinking's just too much to ask and you're measuring your minutes by a clock thats blinking eights This message was edited by CriticsLoveSnatch on 10-3-01 @ 5:13 PM | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 10-03-2001 @ 6:09 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | If you want someoene that truely represents the Palestinian side real well you should look into Edward W. Said. He's secular so he doesn't have that religious fundamentalist aura that the media portrays oh so often.quote: Democracy has nothing to do with it especially with American support of murderous dictators such as Suharto. quote: Again if America was concerned with Democracy then the elections would have happened in the 1950s which would have had the Communists winning overwhelmingly(This was because the Communists were the driving force in independence from France). The thing with Israel is that it commits atrocities of its own. You know what's the difference though? Israel gets billions in military aide. To say that Israel doesn't kill civilians on its own clearly shows that you don't know the facts.  Resident Board Socialist Email me here or IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought no one into the International | ||||
| PeterDragon | posted on 10-03-2001 @ 6:30 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | slightly off topic, but... From: News and Views | Opinion |NY Daily News Friday, September 28, 2001 Feel American, Think Israeli by Chris Matthews I think of the Islamic 15-year-old. He watches all this. He hears of the hijacked planes that hit the tallest buildings in New York. He learns of the men who sacrificed their lives to avenge the desecration of Mecca and Medina, the "starvation of children" in Iraq. Now he watches giant warships loaded with the most ferocious weapons charge toward the Arabian Sea. The same America that sides with Israel, which disobeys the teachings of Allah, now comes to kill Osama Bin Laden. What side does this 15-year-old in Afghanistan or Pakistan or Saudi Arabia or Iraq take in this death struggle? Does he root for his kinsman or the "Crusader," George W. Bush? And how does he react to the struggle's end? If the Taliban stymie the Americans, do they become the heroes of the Islamic world? If they fall before the Americans' superior weaponry, do they achieve their martyr status all the quicker? This is the conundrum Israel has always faced. Lose to Arabs and cease to exist. Kill Arabs and you radicalize its youth. It explains the strategy of the Jewish state. Study its history and you notice a common denominator of its governments: avoid bloodbaths. Morality is one factor. The people of Israel believe themselves to be a good people. The second factor is practical. How can Israel ever hope to be accepted if it allows its fight for survival to degenerate into a blood war. Otherwise, Israel will never, ever find peace. This is the lesson we Americans must now take to heart. Until Sept. 11, we were a country of our own making. We created our own form of government. We created our own sports: baseball, basketball, American football. We wrote our own music, made our own movies, designed our own clothes, cars, buildings. We even invented our own catastrophes: slavery, the Civil War, Vietnam, you name it. This is the first time we have had something done to us. Seven thousand are dead because hundreds of millions of people in another part of the world don't like us and several dozen of them figured out how to show it. We are united in our determination to do something about it. The first smart thing we can do is realize we are up against smart people. The hijackers knew they could get the male pilots of those four planes to leave their cockpits by killing female flight attendants. Our enemies know, too, that the way to lure us to Afghanistan is to attack us in our homeland. Let's face it. Bush has been fantastic. But what red-blooded American President wouldn't be? The second smart thing we can do is start to think like the smart Israeli. We need to catch the killers. We need to destroy Bin Laden and the whole terror network. And we need to avoid a blood war. No sane American wants the people who have not forgotten the Crusades of a thousand years ago to spend the next thousand years avenging the hunt for Osama Bin Laden. We need to feel American, think Israeli. We must never lose sight of the final goal, which is peace. If our forces slaughter the Taliban forces in the field, we may find ourselves the battle's victor but the war's loser. Our constant purpose must be, not just triumph in Afghanistan, but peace at home. We cannot achieve that purpose by making that 15-year-old into a blood enemy. E-mail: cmatthews@sfchronicle.com  | ||||
| Mr. Brownstone | posted on 10-03-2001 @ 8:28 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | quote:1) There is no country of Palestine, therefore there is no such thing as a Palestinian. 2) If those fucking idiots would stop sending their children to throw rocks at men with guns there would be alot less dead ragheads in the area.  Two openings available at Mr. Brownstone Academy of Dance . | ||||
| silent game | posted on 10-03-2001 @ 9:02 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Aug. 01 | John slack youre criticizing others for being unpatriotic why dont you look at yourself first. youre defending people who were having parades in the street after the worst attack ever committed on us soil took place. These are the people youre defending  adopted by hornygoatweed | ||||
| Cunt-Twat I'm not a Cockblocker, I'm a COCKSUCKER! | posted on 10-03-2001 @ 9:16 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | it's a hard thing for americans to understand, the concept of a "religious state". what is it? well as an american jew, my first aligance(sp) is to that of the jewish people. i would give up my life for theirs sooner than i would an american. we as jews consider ourselves as one people, not only here in america, but all over the world. there is no other religion/people that would do this. that is probably why, johnslack, the jews in your school held a seperate vigil, they also might have prayed, were you there? as for israel, since the time of joshua, there have always been jews living in the land, as for "palestinians", the islamic religion isn't that old, it only came to be in the mid-600's. the palestinian people that we know today, are nothing more than jordanian refugees, that in 1967, israel allowed to live instead of killing them, when jordan didn't want them. arafat himself is of egyptian decent, not palestine. and i am willing to bet money that he was involved on sept 11. ** oh yeah, it has been said time and time again, that in aug of this year, the israeli mosad warned america in washington of an attack, america ignored these warnings.** Remember-Laughter heals. This message was edited by Cunt-Twat on 10-3-01 @ 10:03 PM | ||||
| JohnSlack
| posted on 10-03-2001 @ 9:59 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | quote: There IS a country of Palestine, ask the UN, displaced by the british zionists, but still in existance. Throwing rocks at soliders that are occupying your land... Cunt-twat - you hit it right on the head. it IS a religious state, and I understand your allegiance to it. But that doesn't fly in the united states - there is this thing called seperation between church and state. But many lawmakers and lobbyists act in the bests interests of their religion, not their country, and that is my problem. When it comes to nationalism, I'm american, but when it comes to religion, I'm roman catholic. they are seperate. Your allegiance is to the state of israel before the united states. I understand it, but i can't accept it. Also, just because you relate israelis to a religion, doesn't mean you can make that same connection with the palestinians. true, islam is a relatively young religion, but the ancestors of the current muslim palestinians still lived there before islam, historians estimate it at about 4000 BC. As far as being 'unpatriotic' I'm being VERY patriotic. I'm not defending the palestinians, i'm sick of the united states being used as a tool of israel by the portion of jews that choose israel over america. I don't want my tax dollars going there, or the military equipment that my tax dollars pay for. "Philly: It's Camden - with a bell." - Jim Norton | ||||
| Cunt-Twat I'm not a Cockblocker, I'm a COCKSUCKER! | posted on 10-04-2001 @ 8:01 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | john, as for being unpatriotic, i am very patriotic. however, as a jew, my first alligence is to the jewish people, and the state of israel. this is something that other religions don't have, and therefore can't understand. your theory that the palestinian people have been around since 4000 bc, i think you are confusing the palestinian people, with the philestine people, who also hated the israelites. are they the same people? perhaps? but they were from philestine, not palestine. the palestine thsat the un is talking about is all off the land of israel that we know today, that isn't the case with the philestines. Remember-Laughter heals. | ||||
| sheetbag | posted on 10-04-2001 @ 8:49 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 01 | quote: Will they have tax-free cigarettes as well?  | ||||
| Cunt-Twat I'm not a Cockblocker, I'm a COCKSUCKER! | posted on 10-04-2001 @ 8:59 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote:they already tried that, and it failed. that's what they did with the money they got from clinton. Remember-Laughter heals. | ||||
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