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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: FU to idiots who don't know the difference between patriotism and a dollar | ||||
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The sky is blue | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 8:37 PM |    | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Oct. 00  | I think by know we've seen those "The American sprit collection" commercials where a bunch of idiots from New Jersey are trying to market off of Sept. 11. In the package they sell a clip on [to your car] flag, a flag with "God bless America" or something of the sort, and a few crap pins. But wait! 15% of the proceeds go to disaster relief! Scumbags. You don't market patriotism. But here I am the other day in midtown and on every 20th car or so I see the flags attached to the cars. Don't you people realize you are making people rich from patriotism? These people aren't Americans, they're filthy scum who'll do anything for a buck!  Fez® blah blah blah ©2001 blah blah blah. Fez™ blah blah Email me at fezoanda@hotmail.com | ||||
| MomYou'dLikeToF' | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 8:45 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 01 | Fez, some of them might be filthy scum, but there are also those who have always sold flags etc., but now they're selling alot more of them. I also have to say that it makes me feel really good to see cars with flags on them, and I also love driving down the street in my neighborhood and seeing flags flown from every house. I think the flags are a symbol of patriotism despite whoever might be making money off our feelings. What can I say, maybe I'm just an optimist :) | ||||
| fbdlingfrg wow, my name looks odd without 5 lines of type below it in bold and purple and red G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Red Wings Captain Cecil JBA~Remove the Pick & Click NOW! | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 8:48 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | it'll always be this way, because humans are greedy by nature.if somebody sees a good way to make a buck, they will try it.times of war never stoped people before.mercenaries, profitieres, and other buisnesses are FORMED from taking advantage of patriotism | ||||
Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC STRIKE 3 (I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans) | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 8:48 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | It's like Bin Laden said, "America is all about money," or something to that effect. So people sell/buy this shit, and in the process, they prove him right. It's to the point that I don't even want to think about it anymore. To 99.9% of the people, Patriotism is a fashion statement. I ca't wait till the snow storms and/or the summer comes, and these people remove the flag, and make some excuse like it broke or something just because it isn't "cool" to have on their car anymore. I said 99.9%. So, if anyone has these things on their car, bought or self made, and they are truly patriotic, more power to ya. But, I say make them yourself, and don't support these greedy fucks.  Funny how ev'rything was roses When we held on to the guns Write To Me Here AIM: SmarterChild
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| Lent Black Rock Coalition Do you have a basketball in your car? | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 8:48 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: May. 00 | I've noticed that too. At my job every other cars has those flags on. You know what's even worse. The street vendors that sell pins, FDNY, NYPD and other stuff and I'm pretty sure NOT ONE RED PENNY GOES TO ANYONE BUT THEM SELVES I hate the fucking chinks that sell fucking "paintings" of the WTC (which by the way are computer printouts of drawings) If you want offical FDNY gear go to the FDNY Zone store at rockerfeller plaza. I'm gonna go there soon.  | ||||
| Mr. Brownstone | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 8:52 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | If people didn't sell flags, pins, ribbons and all that good stuff, where would I get them from? This space for sale. | ||||
The sky is blue | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 9:01 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Oct. 00 | Let me clarify cause I didn't add one point. It costs $20.00. 6 inch flags are supposed to cost a buck or something. I have no problem with people who sell those flags or reasonably priced ones for that matter. Fez® blah blah blah ©2001 blah blah blah. Fez™ blah blah Email me at fezoanda@hotmail.com This message was edited by Fez on 11-27-01 @ 9:05 PM | ||||
Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC STRIKE 3 (I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans) | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 9:02 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | quote: I am not going to get into a pissing match over this again, so all I will say is that they count on that "psychological factor" in their marketing. They know that deep down inside people are selfish and what they want most is to "feel good." Funny how ev'rything was roses When we held on to the guns Write To Me Here AIM: SmarterChild
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| MomYou'dLikeToF' | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 9:10 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 01 | OK Fez, you're right on that point. I would have been pissed if I'd gotten ripped off, especially in this type of situation.quote:Slash, it pains me to do this, but I have to disagree with you on this one...just speaking from personal experience/friends, relatives, co-workers etc. I think most people are really feeling patriotic, not just as a trend. I also think that the fact is that spending money is good in the sense that if people aren't buying, ultimately people aren't working and isn't one of the mottos (spelling? and I can't think of a better word off hand) of the US that if you work hard you can achieve anything? Only if people are buying... | ||||
| MomYou'dLikeToF' | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 9:12 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 01 | quote: Damn, you posted that while I was writing my response. I forgot how cynical you are. I agree that most people want to feel good, but hell, if in the process they DO good, who cares? *wondering what the hell to do to make Slash feel good* | ||||
| Kid Afrika | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 9:21 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | People only have flags to, "keep up with the Jones'". People want to prove to themselves that they belong to something, because they aren't strong enough to do it on their own. They want to believe in this bullshit "we're all Americans" ideal. Meanwhile, these are the same pricks that were complaining about the government last April. Fuck a flag. I never owned one and I won't own one now just because it's "the thing to do".
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| MomYou'dLikeToF' | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 9:26 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 01 | Shit, I feel like all I'm doing is arguing with everyone today, but what the hell, it's fun... I don't think everyone is displaying flags to keep up with the Joneses. I really believe that people do feel closer and do feel "more" American since Sept. 11, it's kind of a case of I can bitch about my family, but you can't - just meaning that despite whatever complaints people have about the US, ulitmately they know that there is no place better and when push comes to shove they will stand up and defend/honor this country. You don't have to fly a flag to be patriotic, but I think it's something that people have been doing to say that we're all in this together. Oops, my optimistic side is showing again although I'm sure some of you would side it's my ignorant side...whatever, I know personally I feel patriotic and I would happily defend this country. | ||||
Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC STRIKE 3 (I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans) | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 10:01 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | quote: Ok, fuck it. If it will up my post count, and I don't have to be a post whore in the process, why not? Personal experience means shit, even if it is a thousand people you know personally. That many people don't account for jack shit in the big picture. Plus, do you think anyone will admit to not being patriotic in these times? For example. And I will use my favourite subject to make my point. That's right, you all guessed it. Religion. A theory of mine that I have had for a long time was proven correct just last week. Now follow me...'cause I will be moving in a circular motion, and if you pay attention there will be a point! Here we go... I will use the Catholic Religion. For all the Catholics at home, you can play along. Children go to sunday school and church at a very young age. They play, goof off, cry, whine etc. Now these children follow all the stand, sit, and Kneel as well as the various routines or whatever they are called. Now, these children reach the age of reason and move into the early teens. This is a time when they when they are inquisitive as to why is this or that. But, when it comes to a belief as strong as a religious faith, these kids are afraid to question it, since that would be admitting that they were going through the motions all along, for the sake of "going throught the motions." Still with me? Good. Now these children who made there way through their teen years to adults have children of their own, and so the process starts all over again. People don't realize why they do things, and are afraid to question it out of fear. Does the church care? A little, but they as well as these people who market these flags, using the psychological factor, for profit mainly care about the bottom line, just like the church. Your belief in God and/or your patriotism no matter how real or false. is just a convenient side affect to the profits that they deposit in their banks. Call me cynical, or call me whatever the hell ya want, but the fact is... And as far as it being a good sign that people are spending money, I am not going to even address that assonine statement! No, fuck it, I will. There are families that are going hungry in this country, why are we buying flags when we could be buying food for them? Which brings me to another thing that pisses me off... Why are there all these food drives around the holidays, and not during the rest of the year? Do the homeless only eat in December? No, the reason is that it makes people feel less guilty about spending money on themselves and family/friends if they buy some no name can food and throw it in a bucket as well as an old sweater that they were going to throw out or use to buff out that smudge on the new car sitting in their driveway anyway! Happy Fuckin' Holidays! I am glad that you can at least live in your delusional world! Funny how ev'rything was roses When we held on to the guns Write To Me Here AIM: SmarterChild
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| Kid Afrika | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 10:21 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | quote: I ain't defendin' a motherfuckin' thing. I pay taxes so the government can build the armed forces to protect my ass. You think I'm gonna hire a security guard and then try to play hero? FUCK NO!!! Your logic is flawed, your motive is insane, and you went and pissed off sLASHYpoo, ya bitch!;)
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| av8er OA.com's taint with wings. | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 10:31 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Give him a hummer....might do the trick..;)  Av8er Radio [ AIM ] [ ICQ ] [ E-Mail ] | ||||
Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC STRIKE 3 (I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans) | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 10:35 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | quote: People opening up their eyes, realizing what the hell is going on around them, and using their minds to act independently instead of following the heard of imbeciles who are doing the same. Be Aware, Be Yourself, Don't Just Be. © SLASH Klien Funny how ev'rything was roses When we held on to the guns Write To Me Here AIM: SmarterChild
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| Noellevious Teh cute. Look at that. You could bounce quarters off of it. Incredible. | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 10:38 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 01 | quote: But if we were giving to the homeless, wouldn't that just be to make ourselves feel better?  One Nation...Indivisible. NYPD & FDNY: All give some - some give all. I could never turn my back away. 11. 2. 01. | ||||
Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC STRIKE 3 (I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans) | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 10:42 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | quote: I was replying to... quote: OK, I guess you think that buying flags to put on your car for $20 a pop is better than feeding and clothing people in OUR country. I don't know why I even bother. MYLTF said feel better about "DO good," I didn't. Now, isn't feeding people DOING more good, than putting a flag on your car? Both will make you feel good. But, feeding people CAN be anonymous, putting a flag on your car is a statement. Both are good, but you tell me in your which one is better? No, really, I want to know. Funny how ev'rything was roses When we held on to the guns Write To Me Here AIM: SmarterChild
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| av8er OA.com's taint with wings. | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 10:44 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Are you implying that i'm not being myself? If so, Who have I been being for the last 30 years? quote: ::giggles like a schoolgirl & runs outta here:: Av8er Radio [ AIM ] [ ICQ ] [ E-Mail ] | ||||
King Shit *board owner* | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 10:50 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Feb. 01 | I believe the term is profiteering. Is America all about money? Not entirely, though America & capitalism and the market economy are absolutely inseparable. Unfortunately capitalism & ethics are two entirely distinct issues.  I believe in the Faith... that can save me. I believe in the hope and I pray... That someday it may raise me... above these badlands | ||||
Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC STRIKE 3 (I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans) | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 10:57 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | quote: OK, I should have realized that my idiot alert was malfunctioning when you first posted. I was making a generalization about "MOST" people. In my opening post I put in a disclaimer... "I said 99.9%. So, if anyone has these things on their car, bought or self made, and they are truly patriotic, more power to ya." ...so stop your giggling 'cause you just fell flat on your face again. quote: Froy, thanks for for the vocabulary lesson. However, I am only up to the letter "M," and I don't want to push it, ya know? I was told "slow and steady wins the race." ;) Funny how ev'rything was roses When we held on to the guns Write To Me Here AIM: SmarterChild
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| njstrawberry | posted on 11-28-2001 @ 1:57 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Feb. 01 | We've always flown a flag on our house since we purchased it two years ago. That flag has waved up top the front of our garage during the day and at night with a light on it. We've done it because we believe in what America stands for and we are proud for it's foundation of freedom. People who are only doing it now because they want to feel part of something are stupid. You don't wake up oneday and decide to fly a flag because your neighbors are doing it. You should be doing it to show the respect and love you have for your nation. That's my opinion.  | ||||
| MomYou'dLikeToF' | posted on 11-28-2001 @ 12:39 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 01 | Damn, I just wrote a really long reply and I lost it, I'm just not sure I have the same passion as the 1st time around, but what the hell, I'll try again.... Slash, looking at your replies I've come to the conclusion that you're not just cynical, you're bitter as hell. As I've never spoken to you in person, I understand that this is just a message board, and I don't really know you, but that's my perception. You're perception of me seems to be that I'm dumb and delusional, well, I'm not. quote:To which I responded, so what? If they do good, great. As an example, I make money, I donate to various causes. I think I do it because I'm a good person with a big heart and enough money to help others. You think I do it because I want to feel good. In the end, what's the difference? Either way, I'm helping someone else. quote:No shit, really? HELLO, WAKE UP, without money who the hell is going to help the homeless? How do you pay for food without money? Is it just that you don't want some people to have more money than others? Is that your problem? Do you think that rich people are bad? Here's a real life example, maybe you can point out what the problem is...I own a business, for arguments sake, let's say I sell flags. I employ people, I pay taxes (a portion of which goes to social programs), I pay salaries. My employees spend their money as they see fit, some on themselves, some on others. Now along comes Slash and his army and everyone decides that buying a flag is bad. My business goes down the crapper. My employees get laid off so now they have no money to spend on anything other than what they absolutely need. For that matter, neither do I. So there go my corporate taxes, I now collect unemployment, and maybe I'm one of the homeless who's hoping for some help. Yes, money makes the world go round, spending is a good thing. And what logical argument is there that just because people are buying flags they're not also giving to the homeless? Is it just that you'd like the US to be more of a socialist state? You don't like the US the way it is? I really don't understand at all. I guess you ultimately believe that people only care about themselves. Well, in that case you're hanging out with the wrong people. | ||||
| MomYou'dLikeToF' | posted on 11-28-2001 @ 12:40 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 01 | I was gonna respond to Kid too, but shit, he got banned so what's the point? Ah, what the hell, I'm in the moodquote:OK, Kid, if everyone thought like you there'd be no armed forces would there? What logic is flawed? Guess you can't get back to me on that one. As for my motives, FU, I guess because none of you do know me in real life, I'm getting a bit offended...I applied to the CIA years ago (obviously didn't get the job) and the FBI more recently, because I want to make a difference, I don't want to just sit at home and let other people do the dirty work. I would fight for this country because I believe you can't just count on other people to do all the work. Kid, you're entitled to not want to fight, but please don't criticize those who are willing to or question their motives, thanks to those people, you're sitting behind a computer while they're sitting in Afghanistan. | ||||
King Shit *board owner* | posted on 11-28-2001 @ 12:42 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Feb. 01 | Look at it from an objective business standpoint. If people are willing to pay $20 for a flag, you sell flags for $20. If people were unwilling to pay that much for a flag, they wouldn't buy them, and the price would drop. Firms profit maximize, and though it looks bad at times like these, it's good for the economy and good for the country. I'm not condoning price gouging, but that's the simple formula it boils down to. If people want to spend that much money to feel patriotic, let them. I believe in the Faith... that can save me. I believe in the hope and I pray... That someday it may raise me... above these badlands | ||||
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