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| The Sleeper Being a Minor is a Threat to my Social Life PoseUr i ahve 2 threads at teh top, i feel like maynard | posted on 11-28-2001 @ 1:09 AM |    | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00  | Here is something I was debating with someone the other day and I would like to hear what you guys think. I am sick of this whole idea that killing Bin Laden is bad because, "it makes him a martyr". Lets examine for a moment. First off, it makes him a martyr to whom? Are you and I gonna be saying in 10 years, "Wow, that Bin Laden was a real martyr who died for his cause", OF COURSE NOT! He will always be a less than human evil inhumane creature to us no matter what we do to him. So why is everyone concerned about this "martyrdom" that he will gain. The only people who would believe that Bin Laden is a martyr are people who originally followed him. Why are we so concerned with what they think?? For that matter why are we even concerned with how someone who terrorrizes our country will be "labeled". Are we as a society so infatuated with what the media and other people think that we look past the bottom line that KILLING BIN LADEN WILL RESULT IN ONE LESS FUCKIN TERRORIST SCUMBAG ON EARTH. So why let him rot in jail, when we can just completely rid of him? And if you think this Bin Laden angle is a bit played out, what about the whole concept of being a martyr? Frankly, I think it is overrated. I mean, noone WANTS to die no matter what they lead you to believe. So if someone dies for a cause, don't they fail themselves in that aspect. I think helping a cause and getting away with it is much more heroic. But hey, I haven't completely thought this through and figured I would put it up for debate. My basic point is taking a certain action based on what people (especially people that are disgusting inhumane scumbags) think or will think in the future is simply ridiculous.  | ||||
Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC STRIKE 3 (I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans) | posted on 11-28-2001 @ 1:21 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | quote: Maybe they think that if he becomes a "Martyr" his followers will kill in his name. D'oh, that's what they are already doing! Either way, rot in jail or be executed, there will be a new "Bin Laden" to take his place. quote: I don't care what you say about Kid Afrika, he is a friend of mine, and nothing will change that :).  Funny how ev'rything was roses When we held on to the guns Write To Me Here AIM: SmarterChild
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| OAAWITE | posted on 11-28-2001 @ 1:23 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | Well, that Jesus dude was a martyr and there seem to be a hell of a lot of people doing dumb shit in his name for the last 2,000 years. People become things in death that they could never hope to become in life. People are usually remembered as wiser, more powerful, more awe-inspiring, and more respected. So people (not normal people, sand people) are going to look back on his prophesies of the West coming to destry Islam, and although he made it a self-fulfilling prophesy, in their eyes, it came true, and we will be more evil because of it. If his death creates more hatred for a few million more people against the US, and say a few thousand more Kamikaze extremists, this cock could do more damage in death than he could ever do alive. With that being said, I hope he dies, but I don't want a spectacle being made of it. If no one knows he's dead, it's better. If not that, then just let him sit in general population in jail, and he'll be killed inside a month  Best sports writer ever | ||||
Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC STRIKE 3 (I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans) | posted on 11-28-2001 @ 1:32 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | OAAWITE, shouldn't you be changing out your internets? Funny how ev'rything was roses When we held on to the guns Write To Me Here AIM: SmarterChild
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| The Sleeper Being a Minor is a Threat to my Social Life PoseUr i ahve 2 threads at teh top, i feel like maynard | posted on 11-28-2001 @ 1:37 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: EXACTLY! quote: You really are inside my head arent you? ;) quote: Would they be doing the same dumb shit for him if he wasnt a martyr? Isnt it more about what you do while living than some label you get once you're dead? This message was edited by The Sleeper on 11-28-01 @ 1:42 AM | ||||
Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC STRIKE 3 (I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans) | posted on 11-28-2001 @ 1:44 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | quote: Yea, that phoney fuckin' douchebag put on a show, and claimed to heal the blind, etc... Funny how ev'rything was roses When we held on to the guns Write To Me Here AIM: SmarterChild
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| FoundryMusicScott | posted on 11-28-2001 @ 1:52 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 00 | Okay, let's take a brief look at martyrdom throughout history. 1.) Socrates - not really a true martyr, but in terms of his method of asking questions that were against the norm of society, he could be considered as such. And we all know of his importance to life today. 2.) Jesus - the obvious. Everybody knows how he plays a role in almost everyone's daily life. 3.) John Brown - okay, a radical and militant abolitionist. His ideas didn't exactly agree with the methods of Garrison, Douglas, and the majority of anti-slavists during the antebellum period. But you can't say that Harriet Beecher Stowe did everything. 4.) Sir Thomas More - Not exactly a vocal martyr, but the fact that he was truly devoted to king before the Henry VIII - Anne Boelyn debacle began lends some creditability for the English factions and the war between Mary and Elizabeth over which religion should be more welcome. Martyrdom is dangerous. There are too many people on this planet that are willing to die for their cause, just becuae they think it to be true. It is true, that a person can accomplish more in death than they can in life. The only thing one can do is prove the die-harders wrong by scientific fact, and then go after them. If you attack without proof, you're in a world of hurt. "That's what we're paid for, boys. We're gonna take care of this. We're going to find out who did this. They're not going to like me as President." -President George W. Bush, 9/11/01 | ||||
| OAAWITE | posted on 11-28-2001 @ 2:21 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | quote: I was gonna, but the guy at Radio Shack laughed at me and said that wasn't the problem. He said something about needing a disgronificator (?) I'm probably going to give up and just get a new iMac because they just came out with a cool new color. Best sports writer ever This message was edited by OAAWITE on 11-28-01 @ 2:34 AM | ||||
| hornygoatweed I've Got A Vagina With Teeth. G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Dragoon Battalion My friends call me Weed | posted on 11-28-2001 @ 9:30 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: Here lies the problem. We should be concerned with what they think, whether the guy is dead or alive. It is what these people think and believe that caused the tragedy of 9/11, as well as countless other acts and atrocities over the years not just to the US but to other people and countries all over the world. Bin Laden can live to a ripe old age of 100 and die in his sleep, his followers will still think he's a martyr - but the concern is if we take him out quick and make a statement like "don't fuck with the US or this will happen to you as well", this would precipitate other Bin Ladens to step up to the plate a lot sooner than they normally would have, and causing possibly more destruction than has already happenned in an attempt to gain some kind of recognition from Allah. You're right in saying there will be other Bin Ladens - there probably are a few already working behind the scenes. If history shows us nothing else, its that it repeats itelf, and usually with progression.  You can reach me through AIM or email. Don't be shy, drop a line and say Hi! | ||||
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