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I have Cool-Mod-Powers and can read the Cool-Mod-Forum, then I drive home in my Cool-Mod-Car UFC | posted on 01-26-2002 @ 11:33 PM |    | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00  | one thing this board is always good for.. overabundance.. You lok for silliness... and you get WAY too much of it that it makes you sick.. You look for intelligence... and the response makes your head hurt... Stop making me think dammit!!  No! I am NOT a Goth Dude!! "I'm gonna change my name to Pimp Daddy Payne!" | ||||
| FoundryMusicScott | posted on 01-26-2002 @ 11:34 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 00 | Okay, Yellow Discipline is first. We could, if possible to the political brain, amend senate representation to include not two senators per state but four. While that may seem just a temporary solution to the population increase, with regards to the theory of mixed government (your question), it would be a milestone. That way four senators would be concerned with maintaining stability, not two, and put us two hundred years into the future for that aspect. Froy: Your argument is good, but asks more questions than it answers. So do we set a new standard for apportion in terms of population. Great idea. Do we do that for the near future (50 years) or the next 100 years? How do we project the population increase of a country? And diceisgod, here is the answer to your question. When the 'founding fathers' instituted the electoral college, the intent was to protect America from the ignorant elector. Not in a bad way, but in those times, when a citizen elected his executive, he not always new who he was. The electoral college was designed to protect the country from a person voting for someone he didn't know (but not of his own ignorance, but because of the consequences of communication of those times). In today's society, those types of communications difficulties don't exist. Now it's a new type of problem - the American gag. If you get enough people to vote for someone just because they like their name, or you don't have enough people to vote to put forth a commanding majority, a person who is not predominantly selected as president would not win because enough people did not vote for him/her. And while most Americans would simply say, 'well, too bad, you should have voted,' this is what the electoral college is in place for to protect. Of course, the latter situation has never occurred, which is why the electoral college hasn't come into the forefront since the late 19th century. But in terms of the 2000 election, even though I hate to look back on it now, who would you rather have as president right now? "That's what we're paid for, boys. We're gonna take care of this. We're going to find out who did this. They're not going to like me as President." -President George W. Bush, 9/11/01 | ||||
| FoundryMusicScott | posted on 01-26-2002 @ 11:51 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 00 | I am sorry, my lord. Please accept my apologies. "That's what we're paid for, boys. We're gonna take care of this. We're going to find out who did this. They're not going to like me as President." -President George W. Bush, 9/11/01 This message was edited by FoundryMusicScott on 1-26-02 @ 11:53 PM | ||||
| diceisgod I ALWAYS LOSE. | posted on 01-26-2002 @ 11:51 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 01 | quote:Thanks for your explaination. I believe the college should be dissolved. To answer your question, I like Bush (both figuratively and literally). Anyway, I, like most others, thought he was a babbling stuttering idiot when he was first elected (althought in reality the man is extremely well educated but not just not very good in front of a camara blah blah blah). However, his true colors have really shown through in light of recent events. He's done a complete 180: from "idiotic" to "messianic" in terms of his press conferences, speeches, etc. Although that has died down a bit due to the nature of this loooong, drawn out campaign against terror. Facing the same situation no one really knows how Gore would have handled it. Very well I'm sure. He has a strong political background. You can bet he's eaten up by the whole election debacle. He could have been "The Man." Oh well, sucks to be him. What I would like to know, however, is whether or not anyone believes that these terrorist attacks would have occured if Gore won the election? Problems b/t the US and the midlle east have peaked during Republican stints in the oval office. Coincidence? I have no facts to back this up, but I can remember the Libian attacks by Reagan, Desert Storm by W's pop. Sure they're were acts of terrorism against the US during Clinton's admin., however, none as severe as WTC obviously. Is it the US terrorists hate or the Bush family and their associates? Did we reopen old wounds by electing another Bush?  Nobody fucks with Dice, Dice does the fuckin! | ||||
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| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Aug. 00 | quote:ive been thinking the same thing for the longest time, can you help me find them? WHATEVER BEN -----------------------------------------------  I LOVE THE SLASH and THE CRACK HITLER and even the REE "And he will raise you up on eagles wings, hear you on the breath of dawn, make you to shine like the sun and hold you in the palm of his hands" | ||||
Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC STRIKE 3 (I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans) | posted on 01-27-2002 @ 12:14 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | The beauty of the Constitution is that it can always be changed. The beauty of the Constitution is that it makes no set law other than faith in the wisdom of ordinary people to govern themselves. Our "founding parents" were pompous, white, middle-aged farmers, but they were also great men. Because they knew one thing that all great men should know: that they didn't know everything. Sure, they'd make mistakes, but they made sure to leave a way to correct them. The president is not an "elected king," no matter how many bombs he can drop. Because the "crude" Constitution doesn't trust him. He's just a bum. AIM: SmarterChild Write To Me Here
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| FoundryMusicScott | posted on 01-27-2002 @ 12:41 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 00 | Okay, diceisgod, you believe the electoral college should be dissolved. But I haven't really seen why it should be so. Furthermore, in terms of Gore winnning and the impact of that upon the terrorist attacks of that fateful day, I truly believe it was fateful, no matter who was in office. These attacks were planned before George W. Bush made his candidacy known, and in the terrorists' eyes, to carry out such an attack when a republican president is in office would bring upon them the result (which is present) that they never wanted. So if Gore was president, the attacks would have been the same, but the result would have been different. Not better, mind you, but different. And Slash, while I agree that the Constitution was formed to amend unforseeable events by the 'founding fathers,' but the question at hand is how we correct them, something unforseeable by eighteenth-century men using a seventeenth-century model based upon an even older model. And while I'm not saying their reasoning was old, it is just that they (as no other nation could) were not able to forsee a population explosion like the one America has experienced - ever. So the question here is not that we can correct this mistake, but it is how we can do so. And it is the discussion at hand. Goodnight, gentlemen, I hope to continue this debate tomorrow. I bid you adieu. "That's what we're paid for, boys. We're gonna take care of this. We're going to find out who did this. They're not going to like me as President." -President George W. Bush, 9/11/01 | ||||
Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC STRIKE 3 (I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans) | posted on 01-27-2002 @ 12:58 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | quote: How am I supposed to know? Joe Pesci died at the end of 'With Honors' and they didn't make a sequel :mad: Plus, we never got to see the paper that Brendan Fraser wrote. Maybe the answers were in there, I dunno... AIM: SmarterChild Write To Me Here
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USA Autoban Head Slap... Swim Move... | posted on 01-27-2002 @ 1:59 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: I'm ashamed you're a mod too. What a fucking disgrace! :-)'-) BTW, I don't troll. I found mine. Gotcha last.  | ||||
| CriticsLoveSnatch i know better than to ask for a status from you mean ol' mods I shall call him mini-FTL | posted on 01-27-2002 @ 2:36 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Joe Pesci rules.  I'll give you my life, cause I don't own anything Seems like the bottle was all that I had until now I'll give you my life, if you give me yours somehow. | ||||
| Boodadude | posted on 01-27-2002 @ 2:48 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 01 | I for one would love to see the board "elders" abused as if they were a "lowly newbie" Strawberry with her "I am high above everyone because I eat pussy" Aawite let me bash anyone new and force them to submit,SPOO? come on Alkey, Jimmy Snuka and cry baby howie because they scare me , Gonzo and his deviant ways, Barch,Ikea,Enigma(great sig pics) and of course all of the the lady's NEWBIE FOR A DAY This message was edited by Boodadude on 1-27-02 @ 2:54 AM | ||||
| TheGooch Mullet Master Yo Gooch, Moron here... how's that for some fucked up shit... Fez is giving you status... Karma sucks, huh? | posted on 01-27-2002 @ 2:55 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Slash, the With Honors reference is priceless. Well, first off, being slightly looped, i'll keep it short. 1. This current system has become oligarchic in nature, where greed and money runs the wheels. Democratic Republic was it's original intent, but, I think that has changed as we have become more and more entrenched in capitalism. 2. America's revolution was merely the white middle class lawyers and reps, overthrowing the older pro-british elite. 3. the electoral college is a remenent of the goverment's mistrust of the people. It is creating a buffer, which was meant to be in place to protect us from the ignorant voter, in a time where many were. I think that has changed since then, and should be eradicated. It is an essence of elitism, where the people of this country have a filtered voice. It seems unnecessary...and above all, the electroal college makes it almost impossible for an independent candidate to win office. 4. As for more reps, I don't see an increase necessary. The problem with reps is corporate money piling in, the lobby system, and the good-old boy network. Congress has become a giant greased wheel, and it needs a cleaning. 5. The president is fine, though a figurehead, he fills a need as part of the check and balance system put in place. The advisors are just that...his advisors, his choice to boot or keep. The president creates a power stucture in the Executive branch, figurehead or not, and his policies can set tone, create debate, and as you know, he is certainly a mouthpiece, when it's not choking on a pretzel. 6. The problem I see in the country is our capitalistic bent, democratic ideals and republic structure...sometime sthese things get wrapped up, work against one another, and quite lately, especially in the 20th century, the corporate structure has become a monoliath, bending policies (look at Enron mess), and seeming to work against the working class.  Here's a tip that will save you alot of grief and time... Don't believe in and depend on anyone but yourself. This message was edited by TheGooch on 1-27-02 @ 3:13 AM | ||||
Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC STRIKE 3 (I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans) | posted on 01-27-2002 @ 2:57 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | quote: Ok, stop acting like you knew it. I posted that it was Joe Pesci, deek! AIM: SmarterChild Write To Me Here
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| Mr. Brownstone | posted on 01-27-2002 @ 3:01 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | From The National Archives and Records Administration Bush / Cheney - 50,456,062 Gore / Lieberman- 50,996,582 More people voted for Gore than Bush but because of this archaic system Bush is president. The electoral system needs to go.  This space for sale. | ||||
| The Painter 1/2 a bottle of Jack Daniels... it's a cure-all | posted on 01-27-2002 @ 8:57 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | quote:That's the whole point of the House of Representatives. It's supposed to be regular people. Carpenters, farmers, merchants, cubicle workers, etc. Everyday people. The problem is, we've moved away from that. It's pretty much all lawyers. When a congressman makes this his/her life work, they lose touch with the working class. Congressmen should serve a few years, and then go back to their real jobs, and make room for the new. This would keep the House dynamic. Instead of worrying about getting votes in their next election, they could pay attention to the matters before them, and do the right thing, not what is politically beneficial As for the numbers of Reps, I think it should increase with the population. Maybe at a lesser ratio than originally suggested. Oh, and gerrymandering should be outlawed. I live in a district that isn't even connected by land. You have to cross water to keep it contiguous. It runs from Astoia(NYC) to Fort Salonga(Suffolk County). The needs of the people in the City are very different from those of the people in Suffolk County. Civil War. Eli Whitney is responsible for it.  This message was edited by The Painter on 1-27-02 @ 8:59 AM | ||||
| o&aswallow | posted on 01-27-2002 @ 10:50 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Ah the pleasures of a political discussion. It almost makes us demented types seem normal. First off, the opinions of "aren't we glad that Bush is president" are meaningless arguments. If Gore had won, in light of 9/11 the course of action would have been similar. In fact, I believe the reaction would have been swifter and more decisive. Politically and by nature of Gore's character, I do not believe we would have played all these pansy ass games making sure we did not hurt the feelings of Muslims or Muslim states around the world. There would not have been all of these efforts to win over a Middle Eastern coalition. That process mirrored the efforts of Daddy Bush. Remember a president is driven to act by public opinion and polls. After 9/11 the American public wanted to eradicate bin Laden and terrorist states off the face of the earth. I believe a Gore administration would have reacted swiftly and on multiple fronts. And it isn't a Democrat/Republican thing on how a president acts. It's public opinion. FDR was an isolationist prior to Pearl Harbor. America did not want to get into a war in Europe. FDR promised the American people that we wouldn’t. Then early one December morning in 1941 that all changed. The American people overwhelmingly wanted revenge. If opinion polls told FDR to just lick our wounds and stay out of the war, we never would have gotten directly involved and FDR would never have been a great American Leader. Look at Clinton. He ordered an attack on al Quiada camps based on intelligence that bin Laden was there after the terrorist attacks on the embassies in Africa. Politically and militarily it was the right decision. But public opinion polls, spun by his political adversaries overwhelmingly said Clinton was doing this to divert attention from the Lewinski scandal and the pending impeachment hearings. Nothing was further from the truth, but the American people shook their finger at him and told him to knock it off. Then a year later when the USS Cole was attacked, Clinton could do nothing, and he is criticized today for not acting. Some people have gone as far as saying if Clinton had done something to respond to the Cole attack, 9/11 might never had happened. The truth is, if Clinton had reacted, he would have been accused of trying to start a war that would be inherited by his successor, which polls at that time showed overwhelmingly would probably be a Republican president. As for increasing representatives in the house based on population, that exists today based on the census. The Senate should always stay at two per state. Adding more just ads more hill gridlock. The next civil war in this country is also inevitable. It will be fueled by taxation. When we hit a point that we pay more tax than what we put into our pockets (and we are getting very close) the American people will rise in arms against its government.  American Patriot, Pennsylvania resident, but original NYC listener. | ||||
King Shit *board owner* | posted on 01-27-2002 @ 11:11 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Feb. 01 | quote: There's actually several ways you could change how you count people. When the census is taken for example, you can weigh in ages, and only account for adults when determining numbers of representatives. Or if you are worried about the amount of power the reps yield, ammend the Constitutional requirements for majority rules in the House. quote: That I disagree with completely. The way the tax code has been modified and restructured is a thousand times better than what it was. Fifty years ago, people in the highest tax bracket wound up paying over 75% of their gross income to taxes. Yes taxes are high, I myself got absolutely raped by the government the year before last. But taxes have gradually decreased over the years, and with so many new exemptions and ways to get around paying the full amount I don't see it as anything more than a bump in the road at times.  I believe in the Faith... that can save me. I believe in the hope and I pray... That someday it may raise me... above these badlands Over The Limit | ||||
| The Painter 1/2 a bottle of Jack Daniels... it's a cure-all | posted on 01-27-2002 @ 11:35 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | quote:It's already here. If you add up ALL the taxes, it's more. Fed income tax, state income tax, SS tax, unemployment tax, sales tax, taxes on your phone, electric, fuel oil, food, alcohol, tobbaco, gasoline, etc.. Add up all the hidden tax, and you're well over 50%. I don't believe this will cause an armed revolution. That will only happen if the government takes up arms against it's own people. | ||||
| o&aswallow | posted on 01-27-2002 @ 11:41 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: Your point is valid Froy with one minor exception. The tax code over the last 15 years has changed drasticaly to aid only the wealthy now. Other than mortgage interest, and property taxes, there is little left for the average American to deduct. If you don't own a home, there is nothing to deduct. The attractable deductions for charity, business losses, political contributions are something only the wealthy can achieve. I currently pay about 42: taxes combining state, federal and property. When you put a few more years on and acquire some more minor wealth, you will see my son. American Patriot, Pennsylvania resident, but original NYC listener. | ||||
| TheGooch Mullet Master Yo Gooch, Moron here... how's that for some fucked up shit... Fez is giving you status... Karma sucks, huh? | posted on 01-27-2002 @ 4:37 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | i'd happily pay a 50% tax that hits you in one place, and that allows us to have free education and healthcare, like Sweden. We pay quite a bit already in so many places, yet get nothing back. Here's a tip that will save you alot of grief and time... Don't believe in and depend on anyone but yourself. | ||||
King Shit *board owner* | posted on 01-27-2002 @ 5:35 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Feb. 01 | quote: I'm not arguing that our tax system needs a drastic overhaul, but it is one of those things that will never be gotten rid of. It's form may change and it's collections may change, but it is a constant work in progress, and over the country's history it has progressed admirably. Think of how many goods were taxed when we were colonies, think of the poll taxes that were levied, think of how the brackets have shifted, and how there are more shelters even for the average person with kids or dependants, workers with IRA accounts, students, etc. I believe in the Faith... that can save me. I believe in the hope and I pray... That someday it may raise me... above these badlands Over The Limit | ||||
| diceisgod I ALWAYS LOSE. | posted on 01-27-2002 @ 8:50 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 01 | quote:I thought it was Harry Bellefonte. Nobody fucks with Dice, Dice does the fuckin! | ||||
| Donny | posted on 01-28-2002 @ 11:40 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 02 | quote: And a "bum" he should be. We are a country governed by laws; nobody, even the Prez, is above them. If we want that, we could always go to Cuba or thousands of other places for that matter, and entrust our lives to an "all-powerful" leader. quote: Wow! Interesting and thought-provoking. I'm not sure many heroes of yesteryear would say their frontiers were necessarily obvious though they may seem that way now. I would think technology has changed things a great deal - for better and for worse. There's a challenge. | ||||
King Shit *board owner* | posted on 01-28-2002 @ 12:09 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Feb. 01 | The President might be a figurehead in many respects, with some powers that are real and others perceived. But you must keep in mind that there is an entire executive branch of the government to which a President is need to preside over. It may seem like the presidency is an unnecesary position, but the way our system is designed, it is the most important role to be filled. Each branch of the government works with the others in a give & take forum. I believe in the Faith... that can save me. I believe in the hope and I pray... That someday it may raise me... above these badlands Over The Limit | ||||
| The Painter 1/2 a bottle of Jack Daniels... it's a cure-all | posted on 01-28-2002 @ 12:18 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | quote:Nah, he was in the islands mon. Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin, which made the cotton industry rebound. Making slavery profitable (not trading, but ownership). Something worth fighting for. | ||||
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