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PsychoPhreaker
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posted on 02-18-2002 @ 10:29 PM      
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Mel Gibson always seem to come out with a different war movie. First, there was Braveheart, which was a great movie. A few years ago, there was The Patriot, which was an ok movie, but nothing great. Now, there is this We Were Soldiers movie coming out. Does he decide that he is going to take war movies in chronological order like this? Should we look for a Vietnam or Desert Storm Movie (there wouldn't be a Korean War Movie, WWII and Korea were too close together)?



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posted on 02-18-2002 @ 10:41 PM      
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Well he did already do Air America which was about Vietnam, and the Mad Max movies were all in the future which was all war all the time.


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posted on 02-18-2002 @ 10:51 PM      
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ahh, Air America, but can we count the Mad Max movies? They weren't focused around a war, just chaos in the future...



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posted on 02-18-2002 @ 11:02 PM      
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All I know, is that I will be watching this movie on March 1st, opening night.


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posted on 02-18-2002 @ 11:04 PM      
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I'm not sure I see your point. This is a movie about Vietnam, if he were doing them chronologically, you wouldn't be asking if we will see a Korea film or Second World War film afterwards.

And don't forget one of the first war movies he did, Gallipoli.


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posted on 02-18-2002 @ 11:21 PM      
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wait, i thought this movie was about WWII!? ahh, fuck it, I give up...



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posted on 02-19-2002 @ 7:45 AM      
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I can't wait to see this movie. It looks really good. Braveheart was an alltime great movie. And I liked the patriot.

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posted on 02-19-2002 @ 8:34 AM      
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Registered: Jan. 02
I always liked his war movies. What would you rather see him in, more chick flicks like 'What Woman Want'? (Even though he was cool at the beginning of that movie. My chick made me see it). If it makes you feel better, he is also going to be in a movie by the guy that did 'The Sixth Sense' and 'Unbreakable'.



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posted on 02-19-2002 @ 8:52 AM      
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Braveheart and The Patriot were both great movies, and by the way they are incredible DVDs.

I hope We Were Soldiers lives up to the same standards...



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posted on 02-19-2002 @ 8:58 AM      
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quote:

Braveheart and The Patriot were both great movies



That's because they were the same movie. A sort of updated Rio Bravo/El Dorado tandem.

quote:

wait, i thought this movie was about WWII!?



Somebody needs to pick up a history book. You won't find many M16's & Helicopters on the battlefields of Northern France in 1944.


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posted on 02-19-2002 @ 9:24 AM      
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Forever Young was a movie loosely based on WWII. He was a bomber pilot in that movie as I recall.

quote:

A sort of updated Rio Bravo/El Dorado tandem.


Ah, the ubiquitous Froy/John Wayne reference.



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GonzoStyle
posted on 02-19-2002 @ 10:42 AM      
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Registered: Jan. 70
quote:

That's because they were the same movie.



That sounds like when people called casino and goodfellas the same movie. Cause they both had soooo much in common, smell the sarcasm please.

How is the Patriot & Braveheart the same movie? I will agree when you do similar movies within a short span the second movie will lose its luster. Casino was actually an amazing movie but because the DeNiro/Pesci combo was assumed to be the same as goodfellas which it was not. De Niro played a character the complete opposite of the one he played in Goodfellas.

Patriot & Braveheart are similar in the fact they are movies of rebellion, I agree. But to just slap a label on a movie like Patriot which was actually a very good movie. On that basis every western John Wayne did was the same. Every gangster movie from the 30's - 50's is the same. In all actuality then all movies can be linked to another movie.





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posted on 02-19-2002 @ 11:05 AM      
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quote:

On that basis every western John Wayne did was the same. Every gangster movie from the 30's - 50's is the same.


Yeah, yeah, yeah, and pretty soon you're going to say all porno is the same.

Pfft!



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GonzoStyle
posted on 02-19-2002 @ 11:16 AM      
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Registered: Jan. 70
quote:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and pretty soon you're going to say all porno is the same.

Pfft!



To call it porno is disrespectful to the majestic history of the industry of adult cinema. Adult Films are not just snippets of greatness caught on film or cheap TDK videotapes. It's a study of the basic human need and desire of pleasure and the necessity of survival and creating life. At the same time the film noir of adult film will show how easily life can be wasted by ejaculating on a woman or man or even animals face, back, chest or ass.

Adult films are more like instructional documentations on life and love. No so called "classic" film can compare to the great Buttman series or the teen sluts who drink cum saga. How much countless pleasure and entertainment these films bring to not only americans but the world can never be equaled. Adult films speak volumes with no dialouge.

Put that in your hand and stroke it!!!





Of all the classes that stand face to face with the bourgeoisie today, the proletariat alone is a genuinely revolutionary class. The other classes decay and finally disappear in the face of Modern Industry; the proletariat is its special and essential product. The lower middle class, the small manufacturer, the shopkeeper, the artisan, the peasant, all these fight against the bourgeoisie, to save from extinction their existence as fractions of the middle class. They are therefore not revolutionary, but conservative. Nay, more, they are reactionary, for they try to roll back the wheel of history. If, by chance, they are revolutionary, they are only so in view of their impending transfer into the proletariat; they thus defend not their present, but their future interests; they desert their own standpoint to place themselves at that of the proletariat. The "dangerous class", the social scum, that passively rotting mass thrown off by the lowest layers of the old society, may, here and there, be swept into the movement by a proletarian revolution; its conditions of life, however, prepare it far more for the part of a bribed tool of reactionary intrigue.

Buttmunch
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posted on 02-19-2002 @ 11:22 AM      
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You are welcome for the set-up!



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posted on 02-19-2002 @ 11:26 AM      
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So are you saying that people who make war movies should only make war movies chronologically? Thus then Kubrick made a mistake by going WW1, Rev War, Vietnam? I don't get your point. and yes WWS is VIETNAM.

While I agree with Gonzo that saying that Patriot and Braveheart & Casino/Goodfellas are the same movie is both incredibly wrong, I have to disagree saying that The Patriot was a God awful movie.




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posted on 02-19-2002 @ 11:28 AM      
Hanger-On
Registered: Jan. 70
quote:

You are welcome for the set-up!



God Bless your heart, I been waiting a week to do that post. No one ever had a better straight man. How did we get from Mel Gibson's film history and war discussion to this?

See it proves my point, it's a circle... always goes back to the start and repeats, it all comes back to the greatness of Adult Cinema.





Of all the classes that stand face to face with the bourgeoisie today, the proletariat alone is a genuinely revolutionary class. The other classes decay and finally disappear in the face of Modern Industry; the proletariat is its special and essential product. The lower middle class, the small manufacturer, the shopkeeper, the artisan, the peasant, all these fight against the bourgeoisie, to save from extinction their existence as fractions of the middle class. They are therefore not revolutionary, but conservative. Nay, more, they are reactionary, for they try to roll back the wheel of history. If, by chance, they are revolutionary, they are only so in view of their impending transfer into the proletariat; they thus defend not their present, but their future interests; they desert their own standpoint to place themselves at that of the proletariat. The "dangerous class", the social scum, that passively rotting mass thrown off by the lowest layers of the old society, may, here and there, be swept into the movement by a proletarian revolution; its conditions of life, however, prepare it far more for the part of a bribed tool of reactionary intrigue.

disgustip8ed
posted on 02-19-2002 @ 12:07 PM      
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Registered: Mar. 01
Hopefully the action, acting and storyline will be better then Mel Gibson's attempt at a Texas/Arkansas-ish accent.




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posted on 02-19-2002 @ 12:29 PM      
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I thought the Patriot was no where near as good a movie as Braveheart, but it was entertaining.

Come on, both were about insurrections, centered upon essentially the same character, a farmer who just wanted to live in peace, but is forced into politics and battle when the evil enemy kills his family. He leads a ragtag bunch of ordinary militiamen against a supposedly more disciplined and superior force, is betrayed by the people he trusts at some point, etc. etc.

I liked the movie, don't get me wrong, but I found it to be a watered down Braveheart set in the American revolution.


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That someday it may raise me... above these badlands

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posted on 02-19-2002 @ 12:59 PM      
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Registered: Jan. 70
Braveheart is alone at the apex of my pantheon of great movies. No movie comes close.

Becuase of this I was excited to see Patriot in the theatre as soon as it came out a few summers ago. The movie sucked ass by the way.

However, there was one scene in particular that will always stay with me.

Mel Gibson and his two smallest sons including one complete faggott-ass, are about to ambush the British soldiers holding his oldest son. It was a pretty intense scene, and the standing-room-only crowd at the movie theatre watching this movie on The 4th of July was glued to the screen with stonefaced silence.

The raw emotion of this bloodied, fearless, and engraged man as he threw his axe at the last fleeing British Soldier and mercilessly hacked and hacked and hacked him to death for what seemed as a full 30 seconds as his shocked children and hundreds of jaw-dropped movie patrons was only broken when a lone person (me) erupted into uncontrollable sidesplitting laughter as the scene just kept going for what seemed like an eternity.

I have NEVER laughed as hard in any movie in my life. I don't go out with that girl anymore.


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This message was edited by OAAWITE on 2-21-02 @ 9:56 PM
CJMello
posted on 02-20-2002 @ 2:09 PM      
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Registered: Jan. 02
Movie is based on the book:We Were Soldiers Once... and Young.

Major engagement in the Ia Drang Valley in November 1965. First use of the helicopter to land troops if I remember correctly. Greatly outnumbered by the NVA.

Who does Mel play?

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posted on 02-20-2002 @ 2:19 PM      
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Registered: Sep. 01
Maybe it's his fettish??? The whole role playing war-god stud thing?









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posted on 02-20-2002 @ 2:36 PM      
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gibson plays Hal Moore




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posted on 02-20-2002 @ 3:22 PM      
Hanger-On
Registered: Jan. 70
quote:

The whole role playing war-god stud thing?



Mel Gibson is playing Upuauat?





Of all the classes that stand face to face with the bourgeoisie today, the proletariat alone is a genuinely revolutionary class. The other classes decay and finally disappear in the face of Modern Industry; the proletariat is its special and essential product. The lower middle class, the small manufacturer, the shopkeeper, the artisan, the peasant, all these fight against the bourgeoisie, to save from extinction their existence as fractions of the middle class. They are therefore not revolutionary, but conservative. Nay, more, they are reactionary, for they try to roll back the wheel of history. If, by chance, they are revolutionary, they are only so in view of their impending transfer into the proletariat; they thus defend not their present, but their future interests; they desert their own standpoint to place themselves at that of the proletariat. The "dangerous class", the social scum, that passively rotting mass thrown off by the lowest layers of the old society, may, here and there, be swept into the movement by a proletarian revolution; its conditions of life, however, prepare it far more for the part of a bribed tool of reactionary intrigue.

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posted on 02-21-2002 @ 9:02 PM      
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Registered: Sep. 01
I like Mel.



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