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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: CONSPIRACY THEORIES: Best fiction or possibly true? | ||||
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| Filzy Stand up straight Stomach in Shoulders back SOUND OFF!!! | posted on 04-10-2002 @ 9:56 AM |    | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00  | Ok, since there are people out there that like to think up stories of aliens, buisnesses working together in secrecy, and Jews taking over the world, let's all throw them conspiracy theories that we have heard out here and share opinions about them. Personally, I think all conspiracy theories are bullshit, no matter how great they sound. Granted they sound like they make a great headliner, but it just doesn't add up. It would have happened by now if they are true. The best ones I head were Jews taking over the world, Buisinesses working together (thank Monocracy for that), and the Lunar landing was a hoax. What others are out there? :rolleyes:  "I'm proud that I've never had a drug problem or complained that sucess sucks and shot myself like Kurt Cobain did. Sorry, but sucess is something people like me dream about. ~Chuck Schuldiner b.05-13-67 d.12-13-01 R.I.P. [Email]Filzy_metz@hotmail.com[/Email] | ||||
| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 04-10-2002 @ 10:10 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00 | i am a heavy believer in a lot of conspiracy theories and I don't do it to sound cool or different but I believe a few of them and even formulate my own. Not to think of the weirdest thing I can think of but it just comes to me and while you may not believe it, just even thinking of life through those different eyes let's you know that there might be other answers and that's not necessarily a bad thing. In fact I don't know how you can't think businesses don't work together. Maybe not a Sony/Infnity thing on a small scale as mentioned by Monacracy but undoubtedly businesses will help one another to get each other's products known. Of course as far as CTs go, the grand daddy of them is the Kennedy Assassination.  "It appears my wee wee has been strucken with rigor mortis." | ||||
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| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | quote: Well that and the fact that Opie had the Radio Chick fired.
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I have Cool-Mod-Powers and can read the Cool-Mod-Forum, then I drive home in my Cool-Mod-Car UFC | posted on 04-10-2002 @ 11:07 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | The greatest trick the Illuminati ever pulled.... Was convincing themselves that they didn't exist  No! I am NOT a Goth Dude!! "I'm gonna change my name to Pimp Daddy Payne!" This message was edited by Lord Magus on 4-10-02 @ 11:08 AM | ||||
| 2 tired 2 give N F One of the Teen Tomatoe Boys is Retarted... Guess which one I am!!! | posted on 04-10-2002 @ 12:16 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | How about the one where people believe that the jetstream clouds we see coming from the back of planes that fly over the country are really deadly gases that they are spraying on the people of the US in order to control the popluation...and that the US government hires outside piolets to fly the planes because the Air Force piolets won't do it. Talk about some bullshit...because in reality it's just the network of fighter jets that fly over the country and the water on the wings crystalizing into ice and being left in the air tha makes those clouds.  | ||||
| Sblueman Don't blame me... it's alt.fan.don-n-mike's fault! if my encode craps out my fist option is av8er | posted on 04-10-2002 @ 12:55 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 00 | does the idea that someone....someone out there finds Don & Mike funny count as one? Opie & Anthony Replay 24/7! Click here for the Sblueman Radio schedule:Sblueman Radio Schedule Tecmo Super Bowl 2001: Click here to visit my Site! Questions? Comments? Death Threats? E-Mail Me MORE FEEDS ARE MORE GOODER! | ||||
| AlterEgoManiac | posted on 04-10-2002 @ 2:17 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | quote: So, you're saying you actually believe that "Magic Bullet" bullshit pertaining to the Kennedy assassination?(huh huh huh, I just said "ass" twice.) Narrow-mindedness is detrimental to the well-being of all aspects of society. Remember that. Use all your well-learned politesse, or I'll lay your soul to waste. | ||||
USA Autoban Head Slap... Swim Move... | posted on 04-10-2002 @ 2:56 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Oct. 00 | Personally, I'm partial to some of Louis Farrakhan's theories. You know, like a mad black scientist in the "olden days" created the white man. Or, that there is a giant wheel/spaceship circling the earth waiting to take all the NOI folk away. A true visionary.  | ||||
| Filzy Stand up straight Stomach in Shoulders back SOUND OFF!!! | posted on 04-10-2002 @ 3:04 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | Magic bullet? No, JFK was assassinated. It's the question of who shot him. We know it's not Lee Harvey Oswald (or was it?), so you figure it out. I'm jst calling it the way I see it. "I'm proud that I've never had a drug problem or complained that sucess sucks and shot myself like Kurt Cobain did. Sorry, but sucess is something people like me dream about. ~Chuck Schuldiner b.05-13-67 d.12-13-01 R.I.P. [Email]Filzy_metz@hotmail.com[/Email] | ||||
| Beans Malone | posted on 04-10-2002 @ 3:19 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | Who Really Killed John Lennon Lennon, the politically most active rock star of his generation... was shot dead outside his own home by a killer who was merely a tool, a human gun used and controlled by others to destroy a uniquely powerful radical figure who was likely to prove a rallying point for mass opposition to the policies soon to be implemented... by the new United States government headed by Ronald Reagan.  | ||||
| YellowDiscipline IS STILL REALLY GAY | posted on 04-10-2002 @ 3:31 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Nov. 01 | Beans is that what you think or are you just posting a theory? Personally, the only conspiracy theory that I can buy into is the Kennedy Assasination. I definately believe there was a second gunman and there has to be more than meets the eye in regaurds to the reason he was killed.    | ||||
| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 04-10-2002 @ 5:14 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00 | quote:In discounting the Oswald explanation, you are supporing Conspiracy theories. thus then, you're original statement is incorrect "It appears my wee wee has been strucken with rigor mortis." | ||||
| Beans Malone | posted on 04-10-2002 @ 5:34 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | Sirhan Sirhan, the supposed lone assassin of Robert F. Kennedy, was a pre-programmed killer. Seven years after the RFK assassination, Sirhan was interviewed by psychiatrists. These recorded interviews were analyzed with the help of a Psychological Stress Evaluator (PSE), a device which measures micro-tremors in the voice. Based on the PSE, former high-ranking intelligence officer Charles McQuiston stated: "I'm convinced that Sirhan wasn't aware of what he was doing. He was in a hypnotic trance when he pulled the trigger... Everything in the PSE charts tells me that someone else was involved in the assassination -- and that Sirhan was programmed through hypnosis to kill RFK. What we have here is a real live 'Manchurian Candidate.'" After examining Sirhan's PSE charts, Dr. John W. Heisse, Jr., president of the International Society of Stress Analysis, agreed with McQuiston: "Sirhan kept repeating certain phrases. This clearly revealed he had been programmed to put himself into a trance." I love this shit... | ||||
| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 04-10-2002 @ 7:17 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | On November 18, 1978, in a cleared-out patch of Guyanese jungle, the Reverend Jim Jones ordered the 911 members of his flock to kill themselves by drinking a cyanide potion, and they did. The cultists were brainwashed by the megalomaniac Jones, who had named their jungle village after himself and held them as virtual slaves, if not living zombies. Jones himself was found dead. He'd shot himself in the head, or someone else had shot him. Square-jaw, jet black hair and sunglasses, looking like a secret service agent on antipsychotic drugs, Jones takes his place alongside Charles Manson in America's iconography of evil. But was Jones really a lone madman as Americans are so often advised about their villains? Is it plausible that more than nine hundred people took their own lives willingly, simply because he told them to? Or is there another explanation? Not long after the slaughter in Jonestown, whispers began--strange hints of human experiments in mind control, even genocide, and the lurking presence of the CIA. At the very least. these stories maintained, the U.S. government could have prevented the Jonestown massacre, but instead it did nothing. At worst, Jonestown was a CIA-run concentration camp set up as a dry run for the secret government's attempt to reprogram the American psyche. There are suggestions of parallel "Jonestowns" and that the conspiracy did not end with the deaths in Guyana. Jim Jones was born May 13, 1931, son of a Ku Klux Klansman in Lynn, Indiana. His mother, he claimed, was a Cherokee Indian. That has never been verified. An unsupervised child, Jones became fascinated by church work at an early age. By 1963 he had his own congregation in Indianapolis: The People's Temple Full Gospel Church. It was an interracial congregation, something then unheard of in Indiana. Young Jim Jones crusaded tirelessly on behalf of blacks. He also suffered from mysterious fainting spells, heeded advice from extraterrestrials, practiced faith healing, and experienced visions of nuclear holocaust. Certain that Armageddon was imminent, that Indianapolis itself was to be the target of attack, Jones sought guidance. He found it in the January 1962 issue of Esquire magazine. An article in the occasionally ironic men's mag named the nine safest places in the world to get away from the stresses and anxieties of nuclear confrontation. One of those retreats was Brazil. Intimations of Jones's link to the CIA begin all the way back there. According to an article in the San Jose Mercury News, Jones's neighbors in Belo Horizonte, Brazil (where he lived before moving to Rio De Janeiro), remembered his claim to be a retired navy man who "received a monthly payment from the U.S. government." They also remembered that Jones--who later claimed that he was forced to sell his services as a gigolo to support his family--"lived like a rich man." "Some people here believed he was an agent for the American CIA," one neighbor reported. Neighbors' recollections notwithstanding, Jones's biographer Tim Reiterman says that the Jones family "lived simply" in Brazil, subsisting on rice and beans. When he returned to the United States, shortly after President John F. Kennedy was assassinated, Jones told his followers that he had spent his time in Brazil helping orphans. Eventually, he moved his church to Ukiah, California, then to San Francisco, where it became a fundraising force courted by local politicians. Before Jones arrived in Brazil, he'd stopped in Georgetown, Guyana. Though his stop there was a quick one, he managed to garner some ink in the local media by publicly charging churches with spreading communism. According to Reiterman, it appeared a calculated attempt to "put himself on the record as an anticommunist." Fifteen years later, he would tantalize his Jonestown flock with promises to move the People's Temple from Guyana to the Soviet Union. In a 1979 book, one former Jones devotee, Phil Kerns (whose mother and sister died at Jonestown), raises the possibility of a Soviet conspiracy behind Jonestown. "Jones was a Marxist," Kerns wrote, "who had numerous contacts with officials of both the Cuban and Soviet governments." Among other suspicious facts, Kerns notes that shortly before the massacre two People's Temple members spirited $500,000 out of the cult's colony to the Soviet embassy. Jones's deputies did meet frequently with Soviet officials--so frequently, in fact, that they became a running joke in Guyana's diplomatic circles. Jones told his followers that the CIA had "infiltrated" Jonestown. Later, as we'll see, others raised the possibility that Jonestown was the CIA. The temple's dalliance with the Soviets, however, is a wholly plausible point of contact between the cult and the Agency. Reiterman, a skeptic of the conspiracy theory, points out that "the CIA's presence in socialist Guyana...could be assumed." They certainly would have taken an interest in the temple's Soviet contacts. Why exactly was Jones interested in the Soviets? He must have known that his professed dream of moving the temple to the U.S.S.R. was only that, a dream. He dropped it quickly in favor of mass suicide (a follower asked Jones, shortly before the suicides, if it weren't possible to forget the whole thing and escape to Russia; Jones said it wasn't). If the CIA had infiltrated the temple, or if the temple was, even in part, a CIA operation, then members' sojourns to the Soviet embassy would have had a more pragmatic purpose. The CIA was first with news out of Jonestown, reporting the mass suicides. The suicides followed an attack, ordered by Jones, on a party led by Congressman Leo Ryan, in Guyana to investigate alleged human rights abuses at Jonestown. The gunmen struck at Port Kaituma airfield, as the Ryan party was preparing to depart. Ryan was assassinated in the attack. Four others died as well. Several more were shot, including Reiterman, then a reporter for the San Francisco Examiner. Among the wounded was U.S. embassy official Richard Dwyer. Wounded, but ambulatory. Did Dwyer stroll back to Jonestown after the airstrip assault? Was he there during the massacre? Reportedly, at one point on a tape recorded as the killings began, Jones's own voice commands, "Get Dwyer out of here!" Reiterman assumes that this was a "mistake" on Jones's part, that Dwyer was not actually there. If he was, however, the implications are chilling. Dwyer was an agent of the CIA. For his part, Dwyer neither confirms nor denies that he was a CIA agent, but he was identified in the 1968 edition of Who's Who in the CIA. A month after the massacre the San Mateo Times, a Bay Area newspaper (hometown paper of Leo Ryan), reported that "State Department officials acknowledge that a CIA agent was dispatched to Jonestown within minutes of the airstrip assault." Dwyer denied to the Times that he was there at the time. According to one report, Dwyer's next stop after Guyana was Grenada. Nor was Dwyer necessarily the only intelligence-connected character in Guyana. The U.S. ambassador himself, John Burke, later went to work for the "intelligence community staff" of the CIA. Richard McCoy, another embassy official, has acknowledged his counterintelligence work for the U.S. Air Force. The socialist government of Guyana had piqued the interest of U.S. intelligence for years. If there were covert operations going on there, no one should be surprised. Leo Ryan's aide Joseph Holsinger feared that the CIA might have been running a covert operation there so sinister it would shock even hardened CIA-watchdogs. In 1980 Holsinger, who'd already discovered Dwyer's presence at Jonestown, received a paper from a professor at U.C. Berkeley. Called "The Penal Colony," the paper detailed how the CIA's mind-control program, code-named MK-ULTRA, was not stopped in 1973, as the CIA had told Congress. Instead, the paper reported, it had merely been transferred out of public hospitals and prisons into the more secure confines of religious cults. Jonestown, Holsinger believed, was one of those cults. There were large amounts of psychoactive, i.e., mind-control, drugs found on the site of the suicides. Larry Layton, the Jones lieutenant who became the only person charged in any of the killings (he was in the airstrip hit team, and somehow survived the Jonestown massacre), was described as sinking into a "posthypnotic trance" as he sunk ever deeper under Jones's spell. Layton's own father called him "a robot." Layton's brother-in-law, the man who arranged the lease on Jonestown with the Guyanese government for Jones, was reportedly a mercenary for the CIA-backed UNITA rebels in Angola. Layton's father, according to Holsinger, was the biochemist in charge of chemical warfare for the U.S. Army at its Dugway Proving Ground in Utah. Jones himself, the supposed Soviet sympathizer, was once a fundraiser for Richard Nixon, around the same time Jones declared himself the reincarnation of both Jesus and Lenin. Then there was the problem of the bodies. The Jonestown body count jumped by about four hundred within two days after the suicides, leading to speculation that escapees may have been hunted down and killed. In any case, Guyanese coroner Leslie Mootoo testified that as many as seven hundred of the dead appeared to have been forcibly killed, not "suicides" at all. "I believe that it is possible that Jonestown may have been a mind-control experiment," Holsinger said in a 1980 lecture, "that Leo Ryan's congressional visit pierced that veil and would have resulted in its exposure, and that our government, or its agent the CIA, deemed it necessary to wipe out over nine hundred American citizens to protect the secrecy of the operation. " The "operation," if there was one, may have continued after the suicides. There have been attempts to repopulate Jonestown with Dominican and Indochinese refugees, backed by the Billy Graham organization. There was a Jonestown doppelganger in Guyana even while Jones was still in business. Self-styled "Rabbi" David Hill, with his eight thousand-member Nation of Israel cult, was powerful enough to earn the nickname "vice prime minister" in his travels through the country. One final, weird note: A memo that allegedly passed between Jones and People's Temple lawyer Mark Lane (who escaped the massacre) showed the two pondering the relocation of Grace Walden to Jonestown. Walden was a key witness to the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. Lane represented King's accused assassin, James Earl Ray. When the memo turned up, Lane denied that he had discussed moving Walden. (He claims that the memo was part of an "army intelligence coverup" of the King assassination, ostensibly an attempt to discredit him and, through him, Walden.) Most of the People's Temple rank-and-file were black. Most of the leadership was white. Joyce Shaw, a former member, once mused that the mass suicide story was a coverup for "some kind of horrible government experiments, or some sort of sick, racist thing. . . a plan like the Germans' to exterminate blacks." In 1980, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence announced that there was "no evidence" of CIA involvement at Jonestown.  Metal / Wrestling / Baseball Ninja / pr0n | ||||
| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 04-10-2002 @ 7:23 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00 | quote:Think about it. (Yes I create them but that doesn't mean I form fake conspiracy theories). "It appears my wee wee has been strucken with rigor mortis." | ||||
| Beans Malone | posted on 04-11-2002 @ 8:39 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | Leading conspiracy theorists now rank the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, with the assassinations of former US president, John F. Kennedy and Beatles legend, John Lennon. The obfuscation and confusion surrounding the untimely and unfortunate death is cited as circumstantial proof that Diana and her companion, Egyptian millionaire, Dodi al-Fayed were assassinated in an automobile accident. Conspiracy theorists are not alone in their beliefs that Diana and Dodi were the victims of an assassination plot. The Arab media, leading Egyptian newspapers, and Libyan leader, Muammar Qadhafi have weighted in with accusations that the automobile accident was caused by foul play at the behest of the British establishment. :confused: | ||||
| Kramden's Delicious Marshall I think Yoda is sexy. | posted on 04-11-2002 @ 9:19 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 01 | What do you mean the world isn't flat? "My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children." | ||||
| Suzie I was supposed to have a status, but some FNMoron forgot what it was supposed to be. | posted on 04-12-2002 @ 11:22 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 00 | Sir O, where is that article from? I am fascinated by cults and mind control. | ||||
| Scrappleking | posted on 04-12-2002 @ 12:09 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 01 | I once took a course in college that strictly dealt with the Kennedy Assasination and the way our media was affected because of it. The professor used to make his living lecturing on the topic but gave it up because it began to consume all his time. He explained all the characters at Dealy Plaza that day, and it does seem that there were at least 2 or 3 shooters in Dallas that day. He had this graph with three circles that showed the FBI, Mafia, and the CIA. The circles overlapped, and there were some names that appeared in all three circles, the professor thought that those were the names most likely involved with the conspiracy. Of course the guy did stop lecturing at various points and loudly annouce that the CIA and FBI had nothing to do with it. If you want some out there theoires, check out Robert Anton Wilson's work. He has a book that lists a bunch of theories and is a good way to understand his writing and the rest of his works. It's called "Everything is Under Control: Conspiracies, Cults, and Coverups" "Somebody took my phone number and called Afghanistan. Afghanistan! I've never talked to anyone in Afghanistan, I don't know nobody in Afghanistan, and even if did know anyone, I wouldn't talk to that Afghan ass for three hours! I won't talk to my daddy for three hours." | ||||
| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 04-12-2002 @ 4:21 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | Suzie, it is a chapter from The 70 Greatest Conspiracies of All Time by Jonathan Vankin and John Whalen. If you're into that kind of stuff, it's an excellent read. I found the chapter reproduced on conspire.com. Metal / Wrestling / Baseball Ninja / pr0n | ||||
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