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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: How bad are the schools today when the teachers don't even know how to spell | ||||
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| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 07-13-2001 @ 8:21 AM |    | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00  | July 13, 2001 -- This is the state of our schools. Read it and weep. Failing students are being taught by instructors who can barely write in English. A Brooklyn social-studies teacher, who is now teaching struggling summer-school students, is a case in point. Sunny Liang, a 10-year veteran of Fort Hamilton HS, has sent three letters to The Post, complaining about low teacher salaries, poor student attendance and lack of parental involvement. But there's one major problem with his arguments: They were all written incoherently. Some lowlights from the letters: "Only if our society realize that there are so many factors contributing to a student's test score, then teachers will be willing to take the blam game. Who is to blam when students don't do homeworks? who is to blam when pareants don't care to come to the teacher pareant conference?" In one letter, Liang even misspelled the course he teaches: "socail studies." The remarkable thing about Liang is that he passed the state licensing exams that thousands of other teachers fail. Schools Chancellor Harold Levy has said the tests are not difficult. About 12,000 Board of Education instructors - 12 percent of its faculty - are uncertified. Many of them have repeatedly flunked the state Education Department's liberal-arts and science test - as well as its classroom test - because they don't have a command of the English language. In particular, many bilingual teachers don't know English, a mayoral task force found. But the state provides a waiver permitting them to teach anyway, because the city has a shortage of math, science and bilingual teachers. Some educators wondered whether board recruiters are properly screening hires - and evaluating their performance in class. They also said the city's low pay scale is a problem. Board of Education President Ninfa Segarra was embarrassed after reading Liang's letter. "We have some issues with teaching quality. An example like this shows it's worse than we might have thought," Segarra said. Meanwhile, Liang, who teaches grades 9-12, was happy to chat about the problems with schools - including the fact that one of his summer classes has 56 students but only 37 seats. But when confronted with his mistakes, Liang - who immigrated from China in 1985 and was certified in 1991 to teach bilingual and English-speaking students - grew quiet. "It's just my personality," he said. "Sometimes, I just get overexcited, don't read over my work, and my shortcomings come out. But as far as my own flaws go, my own writing doesn't reflect how I teach in the classroom." | ||||
| WoRMFACE | posted on 07-13-2001 @ 8:24 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | So what.. Charlie cant spell.. Dont matter.. Fuck it. look at our fuckin president. "I dont want to be a homosexual" ---Sloppy Seconds This message was edited by WoRMFACE on 7-13-01 @ 8:27 AM | ||||
| darthziggy Isles fan for life | posted on 07-13-2001 @ 10:25 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | those are the idiots you get teaching when the pay sucks as much as it does. darthziggy@opieanthony.com My unofficial adopted newbie: devil's a-hole, when he decides to post that is LET'S GO ISLANDERS | ||||
| Arthur Dent | posted on 07-13-2001 @ 10:30 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Nov. 00 | I had a thought a while back, but don't know how well it would work. What if we could have teachers who were kind of like army reservists. You teach one class a week. And put in a full week or two near finals time. That would allow all the really intelligent and well educated people in the private sector to teach. I think there are a lot of good people who considered teaching or would like to, but like their current high paying job more. Imagine if the head of research for Dupont taught one chemistry class a week. Or if one of the programmers for netscape taught a computer class once a week. There could be incentives like extra $$, tax breaks, etc. And incentives for companies to give their employees the time to teach.  An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with fools. --Ernest Hemingway "I don't read books, but I have friends who do." -Presidential Candidate George W. Bush "I get to go to lots of overseas places, like Canada." - Britney Spears | ||||
| InYerEar | posted on 07-13-2001 @ 10:33 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Nov. 00 | one word: quotas. discuss. | ||||
| WoRMFACE | posted on 07-13-2001 @ 10:36 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | its too late.. we shouldnt even bother to try and teach the children, this country is on a one way road to self destruction. | ||||
| skitchr4u G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Xtreme Skiing Assualt Force | posted on 07-13-2001 @ 10:40 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | Interesting idea dent...but would it really work? Sure for the person teaching the class it would be good because they get to do something they always wanted to do or whatever, but what about the student? Would a student be able to learn the same subject from more than one teacher a week? People just teach differently from each other...we all have ways of explaining things, some of them easy to understand and others not so easy...teachers are the same way, and if you can't teach but know your stuff that would also be a problem with your scenario... but, where do i sign up to teach your history class...that i could do 1 or 2 days a week! AIM: SkiT4you First Member of the JWO | ||||
| darthziggy Isles fan for life | posted on 07-13-2001 @ 10:44 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | arthur, that's brilliant! at least, i think it is, it's too early in the morning. seriously tho, that does sound like an interesting idea. unfortunately, i'm out of high school already, and that would not have any effect on me. however, the more i'm thinking about it, that might not be such a good idea for parents, seeing as how they'd now have to deal with their kids for 4 days a week (work week) for 10 months out of the year. that might not be such a great plan after all..... darthziggy@opieanthony.com My unofficial adopted newbie: devil's a-hole, when he decides to post that is LET'S GO ISLANDERS | ||||
| King f-tard | posted on 07-13-2001 @ 10:49 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Feb. 01 | I feel bad for our kids... | ||||
| Arthur Dent | posted on 07-13-2001 @ 11:28 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Nov. 00 | Ooops, forgot to explain this point. The kids would still have one teacher all week long to tie everything together. The "reservist" teacher would come in once a week to teach and would also give the dedicated teacher notes and stuff so she or he could integrate what the "reservist" teaches once a week. So, you'd have a professional mathematician come in once a week to teach a little math, a professional writer come in once a week to your journalism class, an engineer come in to teach physics, etc., but you'd have that one dedicated teacher who would be there all the time to bring it all together into one big lesson plan. Complicated for that one dedicated teacher, but how rewarding would it be for the kids? An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with fools. --Ernest Hemingway "I don't read books, but I have friends who do." -Presidential Candidate George W. Bush "I get to go to lots of overseas places, like Canada." - Britney Spears | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 07-13-2001 @ 11:44 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Arthur, it sounds like a good idea, but the regular teacher probably won't even know what the guest teacher is talking about. If the guy can't spell blame, parent or Social Studies, how is he going to be able to discuss what someone educated is talking about. Also, hate to say this but many inner city parents of these kids don't give a fuck about their kids education and they are only their so the kids can be out of the house for a few hours. Our country really is fucked because the good teachers don't want to teach anymore, too much crime in schools (8 year olds bringing guns to school), teachers not being able to discipline kids in fear of having a lawsuit against them, education board trying to get rid of standardized testing.. I know Wormface was being a tool with his response, but the way our education is setup especially in inner cities we really are fucked as a nation. | ||||
| Matchbox20Money | posted on 07-13-2001 @ 4:04 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Feb. 01 | news flash: teachers aren't perfect!! 1. I am REALLY bad at math. Does that mean that I am unfit to be a teacher? I teach English, but if i don't know other things, does that mean i'm not smart? 2. I didn't know that teachers had to be right and perfect all the time. Guess I am in the wrong field! 3. All of the people who criticize teachers--the media, press, outside people, parents--how many of them could do what we do for even 1 day? i can assure you, probably none of them. 4. Whenever you hear students complain about summer school--remember why they are there. THEY WERE LAZY ALL YEAR LONG AND NOW THEY HAVE TO MAKE UP THE WORK! I am so tired of hearing kids complain of how their summers are taken away from them and parents saying how unfair it is for their kids. Well, if parents cared enough to make their kids work through the regular year things might be better for them in the summer. okay, that is all i have to say on that, i think. sorry for the tirade, but the lack of appreciation we get really gets to me sometimes.  You knew that I was coming 'cause you heard my name But you don't know my game and never felt my pain... I did it without you..got a brand new team email: Matchbox20Money@opieanthony.com | ||||
| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 07-13-2001 @ 4:15 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00 | Liang, huh? I thought he'd be a black guy. The narrator in Fight Club is the man we will be, Patrick Bateman in American Psycho is the man we want to be Eliza Dushku- Hotter Than Britney | ||||
| darthziggy Isles fan for life | posted on 07-13-2001 @ 4:29 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | arthur, now that you add that second part that's a little better. and m20m, i don't believe that teachers are flawless. don't worry. i used to goof on my math teacher all the time, and he was fine with it - i'd correct his mistakes on the board and stuff. teachers don't have to be perfect, it's just that the media is taking this one screw-up and running with it until they kill it. darthziggy@opieanthony.com My unofficial adopted newbie: devil's a-hole, when he decides to post that is LET'S GO ISLANDERS | ||||
| Arthur Dent | posted on 07-13-2001 @ 6:19 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Nov. 00 | m20m, sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I have a great appreciation and respect for anybody who can keep 30 kids in their seats and behaving for six hours a day. Teachers don't need to be complete experts, they just need to inspire students to learn and present the lesson in a clear and understandable way. I'll admit, I was one of those kids who took great pleasure in knowing just a little more about a subject than my teachers in grammar school. Your education is like anything else in life, you get back what you put into it. I also beleive that every teacher has their own personality and style. And not every student responds to the same style. The best teachers I've ever seen were very adaptable and could present the same lesson several different ways to get everybody to understand. An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with fools. --Ernest Hemingway "I don't read books, but I have friends who do." -Presidential Candidate George W. Bush "I get to go to lots of overseas places, like Canada." - Britney Spears | ||||
| Bartman | posted on 07-13-2001 @ 10:27 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00 | i feel bad for myself that i am in school now and u can see how badly i spell somtimes some of these teachers are really dumb Visit my webpage you can also email me E-Mail Me | ||||
| WoundedAngel Absolutely spectacular, and 1337 as hell. | posted on 07-14-2001 @ 3:43 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | This story actually sickens me, which is why I am going to college in the fall to major in secondary education. I have also had teachers similar to Mr. Liang, some who I've had to explain simple things to, because they did not understand. Now, mind you, I went to one of the top public high schools in the 5 boroughs. If we have teachers like this educating "the future of America", I can only predict that we won't get very far.  | ||||
| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 07-14-2001 @ 4:00 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00 | WA is right, we've all had a teacher or teachers simlar to Liang. Now it could have been a math teacher who made mistakes in computations which I'm sure we've all had and most of us corrected as someone said but here's something I realized...when you correct a math teacher, for the most part, they don't mind and in fact appreciate it. Sure some math teachers are bad but I think many of them will appreciate a student willing to stand up and tell them they're mistake no matter how trivial. It's teachers in other subjects who are worse. These are the teachers and we've all faced them. Moronic teachers who bastardized the English language, got basic simple facts wrong, spited and kicked students out of class for being smarter than her and showing another point of view, held year long grudges without getting full information, and yet still taught honors with tneure despite the fact the 17 year old Special Education kid who drooled more than he spoke knew more about everything than she did. These teachers are also the most pompous arrogant cunts you'll ever meet on the face of this earth. They think their shit don't think well guess what you stupid whore, we could spell it from day one until the final day. She thinks she an expert in law, advertising, economics, politics, math, society, well guess what when someone asks you to exokaub a graph, A DIAGONAL LINE does not mean anything to anyone except you in your fucked up mind. They constantly make errors and when you correct them they xay you're wrong (Even though the entire class knows you're right) and does not believe "Tools" can be used as a noun meaning losers while spelling grammar with an e. Of course everyone gets their commuppance, sometimes a website will do it. Sure it's easy to make a website exaggerating horrid things a teacher does but sound clips and audio clips and actual fucking testimonies all those combine is a pretty successful case. Trust me, you can have great high school teachers and hideous ones but the thing you must remember is this, don't be their bitch. They fire, you shoot back with anonymity. They might catch you later on but if you're doing well in all your other classes and know what you're doing, you're fucking Teflon. The narrator in Fight Club is the man we will be, Patrick Bateman in American Psycho is the man we want to be Eliza Dushku- Hotter Than Britney | ||||
| Spork | posted on 07-14-2001 @ 6:08 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | This topic tends to be complex becuase in the end it boils down to "you get what you pay for." And society, for the most part doesn't want to pay too much for its teachers, and so this is the sort of thing they get. There are certainly, and especially in the inner-cities, problems with a lack of involvement on the part of parents. But there is probably also a problem in the suburbs where mommy and daddy are more worried about keeping up with the Jones' and working longer hours so that they can maintain a standard of living that they are accustomed to and making sure that Jimmy and Sally have personal cell phone plans. There are just plain so many people to blame, well, where do you start? Teachers get the crap kicked out of them on a routine basis, and they don't get the support of parents nearly enough. Far be it for a teacher to discipline a student properly. That student's parent no longer believes the authority figures, they take up their kid's cause like they're with the fucking ACLU or something! Teachers have had their authority undermined by uppity kids and it's the parent's fault! In fact it's the whole "Kids are people too" lobby. You know what, you can be intelligent, you can be smart, you can be well rounded, but if you're in school, you're a kid. And you don't have the experience or the wisdom to be right all the time. This needs to be accepted, but it's not. Instead of understanding that kids are kids, we've got people trying to lobby others into believing that kids are just little adults. Whatever the school says goes. If the school says you've done something appropriate, that should be it. Daddy and Mommy shouldn't be contacting the lawyers. But this isn't to say that teachers can't also share in some of this blame! The teachers unions have always been more interested in the welfare of the teachers, and the students be damned. Of course that's never the rhetoric that comes from the unions, they always prattle on about "We're doing this for the children," and so on. Teachers' unions are POWERFUL and often times in a negative way. They often do look at the children's interest as an afterthought and the teachers' unions are VERY friendly with the types of people who advocate the "let's blame society" system wherein personal responsibility goes out the window. Ever notice how schools are so fucking touchy feely now? "Oh, we can't celebrate Christmas, that will offend so many groups." "Oh we can't play dodgeball, that's a game that picks on the weak and promotes winners and losers." "Oh we shouldn't have grades, the people who get lower grades will feel bad and it will hurt their self-esteem." By embracing a lot of these ideas, and things like "holistic reading" instead of good old-fashioned phonics, teachers are getting some of what they deserve. They've ostensibly dug their own graves. Also, how many teachers out there actually know anything about the subject they teach? Does anyone else find it just a little disturbing that so many of the future teachers of America are MAJORING IN EDUCATION??? How about MAJORING IN A REAL SUBJECT? Enough with all the flip charts and brainstorms, why don't English teachers major in English? Why don't Math teachers major in Math? Why don't Social Study teachers major in History or Political Science? Should people who are paid to instill knowledge in our children be so poorly educated in what they are supposedly experts in? If you're an English teacher and you don't know math, I could give a shit, that's fine. But if you only managed to touch Shakespeare once in one class in your freshman year because you "had to," well, that sort of attitude speaks for itself. The average SAT scores of these people majoring in Education start to make the kids on sports scholarships look like Einstein! It's very disturbing. When I have children, I will simply take the matter into my own hands. No, I'm not going to homeschool my kids and turn them into little brainiac psychos with no social skills, but you'll be DAMNED sure that I'll be involved in knowing what it is they're learning, reinforcing that learning and challenging them to learn more than they're being taught, to go further than the curriculum requires, to be CRITICAL thinkers and not be caught up in the DOGMA that modern day educators like to chuck at those maliable little minds. Again, I mean no offense to the teachers out there, and I know there are even many on this board. And like I say, everyone can share some of the blame here, and a lot of it falls on the hands of parents, probably more than the teachers. But we need to demand excellence from ALL parties involved to make sure that our children for generations to come are pioneers and innovators and know how to compete to make this country great.  Graduated and Rooned by Rone on 6/16/01 | ||||
| TeenSlut | posted on 07-14-2001 @ 7:26 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | I think teaching is one of the hardest but also one of the most rewarding jobs. Being able to enrich a child's life on a daily basis is a truly wonderful thing. Education is one of the greatest gifts a child will ever receive. It will help them throughout their entire lives and the better educated they are, chances are, the better life that child will lead down the line. That is why something has to be done about the quality of the teachers in the classrooms. Take myself for example, I was hired to teach summer school to first graders but I'm fifteen. Yes, I'm good with kids and I can teach them just as much, if not more, than any other teacher but the point is, I'm not a teacher. The teacher across the hall from me who teaches kindergarten can barely speak English. How is a child be expected to sit down, listen, and learn if they can't even understand the teacher? If teachers were paid more I doubt we'd have the problem of under qualified teachers. I volunteer for my job because not only is it a good experience but I feel as though I am getting a far better payment than any paycheck could ever give me. However, for a man or woman who teaches for their profession they need that paycheck. Teachers are trying to make a living off of minimal pay and I'm sure many feel that it's not worth the time and effort they put into their jobs. quote: M20M, that's not entirely true. I work at an inner city school and a lot of the kids are there because their parents have nothing else to do with them during the day. Yes, there are some kids that are lazy and didn't do well that year but does that mean that they don't deserve qualified teachers? Even though they slacked off during the school year they need good teachers to help get them back on track so they can move onto the next grade level. quote: The problem arises when the teacher doesn't know anything about the subject he/she is teaching. Many people are probably thinking that the teacher obviously wouldn't get hired but believe me, I've seen it. I've sat in on classes of some of the other teachers I work with and some teachers would stop the lesson to ask me if what they were saying was correct and others would just continue, teaching the children incorrect information. I will not disagree with you for a second that teaching is a hard job. I've never worked harder in my life because the last thing I would want to do is let the children down and not give them what they came to school to do, learn. Bottom line is, the education of children is extremely important and something has to be done to get better qualified teachers into our schools.  tired moments into pleasure. Say the word and we'll be well upon our way. Thanks to Sephiroth for the sig pic! | ||||
| IRISH ENFORCER | posted on 07-14-2001 @ 7:59 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jul. 01 | pubic shool me smat WHERE'S THE BEER AT? | ||||
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