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Posted By	Discussion Topic: Advice on 3d cards
Kingpin02	posted on 02-28-2002 @ 12:31 AM
Psychopath Registered: Dec. 01	I got the hint from everyone, so I'll re-post my topic here. Hello. I come to you all because I am in need of advice. I need a 3d card, but I'm a little strapped for cash. What brand of card, between $130-$170, would be best for me to buy? Also, if any of you know of a place that may sell the higher-end preowned 3d cards for up to $150-$200(I'm willing to pay a little more, if the performance is worth it), please let me know. I have a 566 mhz Pentium Celeron processor, with Windows 98, and 64 mb of SD RAM, and a 15 GB Ultra DMA hard drive. If anyone can help me with a good price on a 1.0 to 1.3GHZ Pentium 3processor, I'd also appreciate that too. It's all a conspiracy!! It's always good to be a part of something you wouldn't normally have anything to do with. Individuality is bullshit. You won't get anywhere in the world unless you give in to what everyone else wants at some point. This message was edited by Kingpin02 on 2-28-02 @ 1:31 AM
Kingpin02	posted on 02-28-2002 @ 12:31 AM
Psychopath Registered: Dec. 01	I got the hint from everyone, so I'll re-post my topic here. Hello. I come to you all because I am in need of advice. I need a 3d card, but I'm a little strapped for cash. What brand of card, between $130-$170, would be best for me to buy? Also, if any of you know of a place that may sell the higher-end preowned 3d cards for up to $150-$200(I'm willing to pay a little more, if the performance is worth it), please let me know. I have a 566 mhz Pentium Celeron processor, with Windows 98, and 64 mb of SD RAM, and a 15 GB Ultra DMA hard drive. If anyone can help me with a good price on a 1.0 to 1.3 Pentium 3 processor, I'd also appreciate that too. It's all a conspiracy!! It's always good to be a part of something you wouldn't normally have anything to do with. Individuality is bullshit. You won't get anywhere in the world unless you give in to what everyone else wants at some point. This message was edited by Kingpin02 on 2-28-02 @ 1:30 AM
The Brain He's good at teh rhyming questions	posted on 02-28-2002 @ 2:05 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Feb. 01	Right now, just about the only cards left on the market are GeForce-based. You can find cheaper cards from say Voodoo or earlier Nvidia or RivaTNT chipsets, but the only problem is there will be no major support for them (so if you move to WinXP, you won't have the latest drivers for it). For low price (the $130-170 range), go with a GeForce 2 or low-end GeForce 3. Or you can wait until the GeForce 4 has been out a few months, which will knock the high end GeForce 3 Titaniums to a lower price. Also, while a 1.0-1.3 Pentium 4 will help (and btw, if you are trying to upgrade the processor, you will probably have to get a new motherboard to go with it)... GET MORE RAM. A fast card will do nothing if all you have is a 64MB bottleneck. At least 256MB is practically mandatory these days to see your system run smooth. And on Win98, try to put at least 512MB to make everything happy. "ARE YOU PONDERING WHAT I'M PONDERING?" I think so, Brain... I'll conquer the world long before Kingpin ever finds "Pinky" Now, I must return to the Lab to prepare for tomorrow night... This message was edited by The Brain on 2-28-02 @ 2:14 PM
Kingpin02	posted on 02-28-2002 @ 2:24 PM
Psychopath Registered: Dec. 01	So, what you're saying is I should probably update the important stuff before actually concerning myself with bells and whistles? Thanks. It's all a conspiracy!! It's always good to be a part of something you wouldn't normally have anything to do with. Individuality is bullshit. You won't get anywhere in the world unless you give in to what everyone else wants at some point.
hornygoatweed I've Got A Vagina With Teeth. G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Dragoon Battalion My friends call me Weed	posted on 02-28-2002 @ 2:40 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	The first thing I would do is try to up that CPU of yours. Try to find out how fast a CPU your MoBo can take. If you can indeed bump up to a 1 Ghz chip, there are several stores online that sell CPU's for decent prices. I personally like to use Newegg. Once you have that square, definitely get some RAM! 64 is next to nothing these days - and since your'e running Win98, the highest amount you can efficiently run is 512 megs. If you went to even 256 you'd see a huge improvement. Another personal favorite site of mine (for RAM) is Crucial. I would definitly go at least 256 (I'm sporting 784 megs, but I'm running XP - Win98 doesn't like more than 512, but XP loves all the RAM you can throw at it). Lastly, I would look into a GeForce3Ti200. These cards rock, and can be overclocked quite nicely. I have a Ti500 card, but I got it as a gift, so I'm not complaining. The Ti200 should do you very nicely though. Bottom line - a new graphics board will do you no good with low RAM and a "slow" CPU. This week's quote : Time is the fire within which we burn... You can reach me through AIM or email. Don't be shy, drop a line and say Hi! Ha Ha! Made you look, hammer!!
Kingpin02	posted on 02-28-2002 @ 6:29 PM
Psychopath Registered: Dec. 01	I did a little looking, and I found out what I need to do: 1. Replace motherboard with one to run Pentium 4. 2. Get a pentium 4 processor. 3. Add RAM (Bring it up to at least 256 MB) After all this, which will cost me at least $300-$500, then MAYBE, just MAYBE, I can get a 3d card. I'll keep the Celeron processor, since I have more than one processor slot available for use. It's all a conspiracy!! It's always good to be a part of something you wouldn't normally have anything to do with. Individuality is bullshit. You won't get anywhere in the world unless you give in to what everyone else wants at some point.
Kingpin02	posted on 03-01-2002 @ 8:24 PM
Psychopath Registered: Dec. 01	Ok. I bought a RAM chip. I'm now running at 320 MB of SDRAM. I think I'll probably finish updating this one with a new processor and get another computer this summer so I'll have my own little network. I guess the 3d card can wait. I'll get the card when I get my new computer. It's all a conspiracy!! It's always good to be a part of something you wouldn't normally have anything to do with. Individuality is bullshit. You won't get anywhere in the world unless you give in to what everyone else wants at some point.
pmtick	posted on 04-02-2002 @ 1:41 PM
Hanger-On Registered: Oct. 00	I've been using the ATI Radeon 7200 for almost a year now and I'm pretty happy with it for the most part. If I recall correctly that's in your price range.
PlasticMan G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Dhalsim-Style Hand to Hand Specialist	posted on 04-04-2002 @ 5:53 PM
Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02	First of all, whoever's telling you to get a P4 must work for Intel. Simply not worth it. Go with an AMD chip: faster, cheaper. Don't kill yourself getting more memory. I've got 256 and it's PLENTY. A better use for the $50 that you'll save is on a better motherboard. And lastly, $130 will get you a kick-ass video card if you look at ebay or ubid or Frye's. .. It wasn't lies, it was just...bullshit.
nullper	posted on 04-05-2002 @ 8:42 PM
Hanger-On Registered: Mar. 02	AMD's not faster strictly speaking. My AMD XP 2000 processor (not top of the line but very close to it for AMD) runs at 1.7ghz (roughly) while there are P4's out there that run at and over 2ghz but there are reportrs that the AMD does more per cycle then the Pentium. To illustrate a think of a cycle as flipping a light switch on and off, the P4 can do flip it on and off 2000 times per second while the best available AMD chip can do it 1700 some odd time per second, but the pentium is only turning on one light while the AMD is turning on maybe 2 or 3. As for a video card given your system specs (and might I say 3d is going to be the least of your problems with any modern games) the GF2mx is widley supported and cheap at abour 80-90 bucks. ATI cards while impressive on paper aren't really supported by any games (so you wind up paying for features you're never going to use)
PreciousFresca	posted on 04-14-2002 @ 10:25 AM
Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00	The Athlon XP 2000+ may be clocked at 1.7 ghz, BUT they'll still kick the shit out of a p4 2.0 ghz. check some benchmarks, even tho it's a slower clock speed, it still outperforms. Example: i got this catologue right here that compares a p4 2.0 vs an Athy XP 2000+. if we were to say the P4 chip is 100% (lets just think of a graph here), the AMD chip is at 132%. oh and the AMD's are much cheaper to boot. intell's out of their minds edit: to get back on topic, best buy sells the geforce 4 MX 420 for around $120 (according to their website) not a bad find at all, it'd defintely last you a year or 2 This message was edited by PreciousFresca on 4-14-02 @ 10:36 AM
Jack Meehoff Teh funny blah blah absent blah blah teh blah	posted on 04-14-2002 @ 12:21 PM
Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02	The Geforce 4 MX series is a rippoff. They are nothing more than souped up Geforce 2's. If you are going to get a Geforce 4 you have to get the TI series. It costs more but it will be better in the long run. You will be spending the money eventually anyway when you realize that half the games coming out this year don't work on the MX series boards.   All Post's Imply That Actual Thought Went Into Them. Take That With A Grain Of Salt.
AlterEgoManiac	posted on 04-21-2002 @ 9:04 AM
Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02	Hey! I don't have to worry about this anymore. After June 3, I won't be able to touch a computer for the next 3 months. Thanks for all of your advice. Use all your well-learned politesse, or I'll lay your soul to waste. If I ran for a public office, would you vote for me? Please? I'll give you a dollar.

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