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| hornygoatweed I've Got A Vagina With Teeth. G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Dragoon Battalion My friends call me Weed | posted on 08-14-2001 @ 1:09 PM |    | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01  | Ok, I've been a busy beaver with my PC as of late. 2 Things : 1)My Mobo died last night - I don't know why, all I did was try to up my IE to 5.5 service pack 2 - in any event, its dead in the water. I boot the machine, and it just stops at the first BIOS screen (where it tallies the system RAM). I've called Dell tech support, they feel (as I do) that the Mobo died, but it shouldn't have from an IE upgrade. Was wondering if something similar happened to anyone else here? I have a Dell guy coming to replace the board (loving that warranty), but I've never heard of such a thing happening. 2) I cureently have a 12 gig HD. I want a larger one, but I don't want to make it a slave. Is it possible to buy say, a 60 gig drive, pull the oled one out, put the new one in as a master, boot the machine, do a nice clean install of Win98SE on it, and then proceed to reinstall what I want on the new drive? Then, format/scandisk the old drive, and make that one the slave? (Obviously, I would back up all the files from the original drive and replace as necessary). I was planning on doing a complete format of my current drive as it is, but prices are really low on these large drives, and I figured I would just go and get a nice roomy (and faster) HD. Can it be done this way? I don't mind reinstalling everything, most of the stuff I have on there are games which I remove/reinstall half the time anyway.  Silent Game has enrolled in summer school. Theres still one seat open! Email me here or AIM me at Organic999 to enroll. | ||||
| Bartman | posted on 08-14-2001 @ 6:31 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00 | that is perfectly possible pertaning to ur upgrade.. ANd to the mobo problem you shouldnt be able to see anything is your mobo has died you might want to try to just reset the motherboard itself...you can also try to reformat ur harddrive Visit my webpage you can also email me E-Mail Me | ||||
| weirdnj | posted on 08-14-2001 @ 6:39 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Oct. 00 | 1) As to the motherboard problem, try booting up with a boot disk (if you had made one with the current operating system). It sounds like some of the boot files could be corrupt. If it boots for a floppy you should be able to use that disk to restore your system files (I.E. - a:\>sys c: ) 2) Or go into BIOS and restore defaults.. or jump the Clear CMOS jumper on your board. They probably look like 2 soldered points. HARD DRIVE: Once the sys works again {Ha Ha}, Put the new drive in as a Master and the old as a slave. Use a Win98 Boot disk to boot( or boot from the CD). And finish seting up. You can transfer everything later after windows is installed. This message was edited by weirdnj on 8-14-01 @ 6:51 PM | ||||
| hornygoatweed I've Got A Vagina With Teeth. G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Dragoon Battalion My friends call me Weed | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 10:20 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: The problem is that when I boot the machine, it doesn't even go to the floppy drive to recognize it - so booting from a disk is not an option. The Dell tech is coming tonight to replace the board (he sounded pretty knowledgeable when I spoke to him) so I'm not too worried about that for the moment - I'll let my Warranty coverage deal with it LOL. quote: This is good news, I suspected as much. But another issue comes to mind. My Mobo is ATA33, and my current HD is a 5400rpm drive. If I put a 7200 drive in its place, it will still run at ATA33. Now, I could buy a promise ATA100 card and use the drive at its full potential speed, but wouldn't I have to have it set as a master on the IDE 1 line? The promise card is PCI, so I can slap it in and hook the drive up, jumper it to master, but what about the IDE 1 line? Will the PC boot and look for the drive on the PCI resource? And if I wanted to use my old drive as a slave, do I put it on the IDE 1 line as a slave? Currently on that line I have my HD (master) and a 250 zip drive (slave). SO what I would be doing is adding a faster drive (master) via the promise card, keeping the current HD (slave) on IDE 1 and keeping the zip (slave or cable select) on IDE 1 - if that makes sense. IDE 2 has a CD-Rom and a CD-RW on it already, so moving anything to that line is not an option. I hope some of this makes sense LOL. Silent Game has enrolled in summer school. Theres still one seat open! Email me here or AIM me at Organic999 to enroll. | ||||
| George Peterson | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 11:29 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | 1) Dell's paying to replace your mobo, so don't worry about that. 2) I tried to follow your spiel about the PCI ATA/100 card, couldn't quite make sense of it, so here's my answer to what I think you're trying to say: When you install the card, don't worry about the onboard ATA bus - your HD was on IDE 1, right? And the CD is on IDE 2, right? Stop me if I'm wrong on any points. Move the CD to IDE 1, as that's probably the faster ATA/33 bus (as opposed to IDE 2, which is the CD's bus, which is usually slower). Plug your HDs into the ATA/100 card (new one as master, old one as slave). Move over whatever you want to, and erase the old drive when you're done. Now, this will leave IDE 2 with nothing on (connected to) it, correct? Don't worry. Futz around with the BIOS and you'll probably find a way to turn it off. If not, don't worry, it won't care if nothing's connected. Maybe try this, if you're adventureous enough: Put your CD drive on IDE 1 and the Burner on IDE 2 Ah! Ho-ho! Ha-ha!  ..!!in an intastella burst i am back to save the universe!!.. | ||||
| hornygoatweed I've Got A Vagina With Teeth. G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Dragoon Battalion My friends call me Weed | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 12:05 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: Right on both counts. quote: Thats what I was thinking, I just wanted to be sure the comp would recognize them being there as oppossed to the IDE 1 port. quote: I was also thinking about doing this, as I have heard having a CD-ROM and burner on the same IDE line was not a good idea due to buffer constraints (My burner has burnproof eneabled and it works, but I'm all for efficiency). Also, though there really isn't a major need for it, based on this I'm thinking I can keep the zip as a slave on either 1 or 2 assuming I split up the cd drives. I like the zip for compatability (I use a lot of zips here at work - they haven't moved into the 21st century with cd burners here yet). Thanks GP - I'm glad my post actually made some sense LOL. Silent Game has enrolled in summer school. Theres still one seat open! Email me here or AIM me at Organic999 to enroll. | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 9:28 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Bad RAM is always a possibility, just as easily as the MB. As far as getting all the info over goes... ever heard of Norton Ghost? Get your hands on a copy. Hook the 60G up as a slave, Ghost your 12G to your 60G. Ghost will allow you to make it the full 60G in one partition, or smaller if you want - it won't limit you to HAVE to use a 12G partition on your 60G. Anyhoo, Ghost will make the partition at the size of your choosing, and copy EVERY DAMN THING from the 12G to the 60G - to the point where after the Ghost is complete, simply hook up the 60 as a master, 12 as a slave and just go. It'll boot, all your programs survive as if they were never messed with, and you have a 12G drive to format.  Me droogies: HydratedPeach is siiiiingin' in the rain. Syndra has graduated and will one day take on droogs of her own. One position available. Come and get one in the yarbles.... if you have any yarbles. | ||||
| Hummercash | posted on 08-16-2001 @ 10:03 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 00 | My advice... reset the CMOS. Look at the motherboard manual and find the CMOS jumper settings... it should give u instructions on how to reset it. If that doesn't work, you could try replacing the RAM. And if that STILL doesn't work, I suggest you not buy a new computer, but rather spend all the money you would have used on a new computer to purchase some really cool shirts at the FoundryMusic Store :)  Guns don't kill people...dangerous minorities do. Q: How do you make a 7 year old girl cry twice? A: Rub your bloody cock on her teddy bear. | ||||
| Hummercash | posted on 08-16-2001 @ 10:08 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 00 | Hey GP, Macs RULE :) I'm running Mac OS X v10.1 build 5G15 and Sherlock opens in ONE bounce... and I'm installing Microsoft Office 10 for X later today. Im hoping my uncle buys me a nice Titanium before i go home, but chances seem slim at the moment :( Guns don't kill people...dangerous minorities do. Q: How do you make a 7 year old girl cry twice? A: Rub your bloody cock on her teddy bear. | ||||
| hornygoatweed I've Got A Vagina With Teeth. G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Dragoon Battalion My friends call me Weed | posted on 08-16-2001 @ 11:14 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: OK, here's an update to the Mobo situation... The Dell tech came, and he did exactly what Hummercash suggested - didn't work. So he went a head and replaced the board, and everything was smooth sailing - until we went into Windows. Apparently, when my PC crashed, some windows files got corrupted - it asked for the Win98 CD to be put in the drive, etc. So I put it in, but it wouldn't read from the drve - actually, Windows didn't recognize the drive at all (all that was listed was the C: and Floppy). The BIOS saw all my drives on boot, but not Windows. I went into Safe mode, and that was no problem - all the drives were there. The tech guy (cool dude) said he has seen this before, and the only way to fix it was to reformat and reinstall Windows. I could've just booted from a floppy and installed Windows over itself, but thats not clean, and I had already backed everything up :) Long story short, I did a reformat/reinstall, and things are basically AOK. Again, a note of thanks to everyone for your input - the harddrive issue isn't resolved, but that will wait until I can go shopping this weekend for a card and a drive :). Silent Game has enrolled in summer school. Theres still one seat open! Email me here or AIM me at Organic999 to enroll. | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 08-16-2001 @ 11:40 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Hey, since you had to start from scratch anyway, find a copy of Windows 2000 and throw that on the new hard drive. Screw all the crap I said about Ghost - it's useless now, considering you have to reinstall everything anyway. At least with 2000 you'll have a stable OS that doesn't fucking crash like the kid in Grumpy's sig. Me droogies: HydratedPeach is siiiiingin' in the rain. Syndra has graduated and will one day take on droogs of her own. One position available. Come and get one in the yarbles.... if you have any yarbles. | ||||
| Hummercash | posted on 08-16-2001 @ 12:00 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 00 | Or better yet... buy a Mac. You won't have any problems then :P Guns don't kill people...dangerous minorities do. Q: How do you make a 7 year old girl cry twice? A: Rub your bloody cock on her teddy bear. | ||||
| hornygoatweed I've Got A Vagina With Teeth. G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Dragoon Battalion My friends call me Weed | posted on 08-16-2001 @ 12:25 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: I was thinking of that (I have a "spare copy" of it, thanks to my IT dept. and my burner at home hehe), but I hear its not very game-friendly, especially with Nvidia GF2 & GF3 cards. Honestly, I don't have many complaints anbout Win98SE - sure, it crashes every now and then, but it wasn't crazy like when I would crash daily on Win95. And I do have a copy of Ghost, but of course I didn't put it to use right away. S'ok, I had pretty much everything of value backed up on CD-R's. quote: True, because I wouldn't be able to run any software on it, seeing as Mac software accounts for .05% of the market LOL. Thanks, but no thanks - PC's may crash, they may not be as sleek and efficient, etc., but they are still a lot more versatile. If I were a graphic designer, maybe, but I'm mainly a gamer/internet freak, so it would be a waste of $$ for me. Silent Game has enrolled in summer school. Theres still one seat open! Email me here or AIM me at Organic999 to enroll. This message was edited by hornygoatweed on 8-16-01 @ 12:32 PM | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 08-17-2001 @ 11:19 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Yes, I'm sure your Mac works great for you. Considering you can't really buy any games for it, you probably can't do much on it.... and a computer than doesn't run programs doesn't crash. Unfortunately, in the real world, where people use their computers, Macs are not stable at all. The marketing department at my job uses a few Macs. Really nice ones, too.... Dual G4's. Running MacOS 9.1 - because there's even less software for OS X than for any other MacOS. Gee, that's what ya get when you completely rewrite the OS to be Unix because your own crap isn't working. But I digress. These Macs run huge graphics applications. Photoshop, Illustrator, Quark Xpress, things of that sort. They crash at least 5 times a day. They did this right out of the box. Oh - and in an OS before X, could you do a task on your Mac SO SIMPLE like unplugging the network cable and plugging back in without it crashing to the point you have to reboot? The answer is probably no, because I've done it. As much as we hate Microsoft, it's the only way to fly. Macs are garbage and Linux, in the public eye, is only for hackers. Me droogies: HydratedPeach is siiiiingin' in the rain. Syndra has graduated and will one day take on droogs of her own. One position available. Come and get one in the yarbles.... if you have any yarbles. | ||||
| Spork | posted on 08-17-2001 @ 6:50 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | Well, here's another approach you could take. It looks like since you reformatted the drive already that you don't need to do any live data swapping. That's definitely good news. Can you take the drive that you have now and use it as a slave? Absolutely! I don't even believe that you really need to go out and hog up a PCI slot with the ATA100 card. I don't know if you're going to notice the difference in performance. Also, keep in mind that when you use dual channel EIDE controllers, you tend to get anything on each channel working as fast as the slowest link. This is why it's generally a good idea to keep your CD-ROM's/DVD's etc. separate from hard drives. What you really want to do though is take a gander at the make and model of your existing hard drive. If you have a manual for it - great - if not hop on the manufacturer's website and download it. The key thing that you need to know is what (if any) jumper do you have to change to make the drive a slave. You should also probably run FDISK or a similar utility and make sure that you deactivate that drive as an Active partition. I also think if you do get an ATA100 card that you would probably have to disable your onboard EIDE controllers. Just more stuff to think about :)  "Look how hot they're getting. And that's an old picture," Anthony says. | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 08-17-2001 @ 8:24 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | The sad thing is Linux is an extremely versatile os and Microsoft creates a bad monster with it.  Resident Board Socialist and Proud Founder of the Socialist C-Bloc Email me here IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought no one into the International | ||||
| Spork | posted on 08-17-2001 @ 10:13 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | AM: Huh? What does "Microsoft makes a bad monster with it" mean? "Look how hot they're getting. And that's an old picture," Anthony says. | ||||
| PeterDragon | posted on 08-17-2001 @ 10:18 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | I'm a little late with the post, but be advised that using the maxtor ide card as master drive is a bit of a pain. I'm now using a computer with boot drive on maxtor card, but no slave HD. If you put anything on the onboard ide 1 drive, it will usually try to boot from that drive. The maxtor card acts as a pseudo scsi drive. You can, however, put a 2nd HD on the maxtor; it has 2 ide slots for 4 extra drives. I'm currently running LS-120 on ide1, zip & cdrw on ide 2, bootable HD on maxtor on a custom pc with an ami bios. Note: the maxtor will probably work on the dell, but it did not work for me on a compaq. (before that it did work on a micron pent-133 with some tweaking).  | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 08-17-2001 @ 10:23 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | They say that Linux has no software support even though it has lots and can emulate any windows software and perform better than windows in that prog. Also they say that Linux is too complicated and for hackers only. Nevermind the fact they called Linux a Communist OS. Resident Board Socialist and Proud Founder of the Socialist C-Bloc Email me here IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought no one into the International | ||||
| Spork | posted on 08-17-2001 @ 10:30 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | Okay, terrific! Look, AM, you can take any sort of social bent you want on the good old operating system debate, but a lot of this sort of stuff also stems from people trying to knock Microsoft off of their perch at the top of the software foodchain. It's a fact that on the desktop, Linux is simply not as easy for consumers to install on their machines. That's a huge barrier to entry for them into the market. Microsoft also did a great deal to standardize things which actually progressed the industry quite a bit. Call it a monopoly, call it clever marketing and aggressive business practices or whatever, but Microsoft, like it or not, has had a positive impact on the computing industry. It might seem silly that anyone could argue that a product which may not be the best technically should win out in the end as the de facto standard, but it wouldn't be the first time. Betamax is a much superior technology to VHS, but you'll be hard pressed to find anyone with a beta machine out there now. Things just happen like that. Microsoft is just trying to maintain their position. If Linux wants to break into the market place so badly maybe they'll actually have to MARKET their product so it becomes a little more mainstream? And they're going to have a little bit tougher time now that investors aren't foolishly throwing good money after bad at any company that has Linux in its name. "Look how hot they're getting. And that's an old picture," Anthony says. | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 08-17-2001 @ 10:42 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | In fact Mandrake Linux took me 15 minutes to install. Most people think of it a few years ago. It has progressed a lot since it is open-source. Microsoft is scared of Linux. It's creeping up in the server market and in the next few years have a huge advantage. That's why they make up stuff. With Windows XP it will be the greatest thing to happen to Linux. The server market is dominated by UNIX and having Linux is a better option than BSD or Sun. Resident Board Socialist and Proud Founder of the Socialist C-Bloc Email me here IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought no one into the International | ||||
| hornygoatweed I've Got A Vagina With Teeth. G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Dragoon Battalion My friends call me Weed | posted on 08-17-2001 @ 10:58 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: quote: If this is right, then this kind of sucks - I was hoping to use a nice speedy 7200 rpm drive as my boot, and leave the current 5400 drive as the slave. I still would like a larger drive, regardless of speed....I have a few things to think about apparently. As for Linux vs. Bill Gates, I really have no say - I know nothing about Linux nor have I even used it, so for me to try and defend or bash would be pointless. Silent Game has enrolled in summer school. Theres still one seat open! Email me here or AIM me at Organic999 to enroll. This message was edited by hornygoatweed on 8-18-01 @ 12:02 PM | ||||
| DasDoomper | posted on 08-18-2001 @ 12:19 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | quote: I just installed SuSE Linux 7.2 on my machine. YaST 2 makes it EASY for ANYONE to install LINUX on a Windows machine. LILO will handle any boot issues you have. DasDoomper  | ||||
| Spork | posted on 08-18-2001 @ 1:27 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | All I'm saying is that in my line of work I have had to deal with quite a few people who cannot perform simple, technical tasks. Remember that the "average" computer user is about 8 million times more retarded than you give them credit for! Thank God I'm not doing desktop support anymore, but believe me, people can't cope with the smallest kink in an installation. I know you Linux supporters want to paint as rosy a picture as you can, but just remember, "techies" are in the small, small percentage of a product's user base. "Look how hot they're getting. And that's an old picture," Anthony says. | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 08-18-2001 @ 3:24 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Of course a lot of people won't understand Linux but anyone that knows their AGP from their PCI will figure it out. Resident Board Socialist and Proud Founder of the Socialist C-Bloc Email me here IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought no one into the International | ||||
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