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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: Once again Vince McMahon has shown his disrespect. | ||||
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| fuh-q-2 | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 9:29 PM |    | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Nov. 00  | Even if he tried to make a tribute out of Smackdown, why would he continue with the program. No "sports" will be taking place until monday for the most part. He has once again shown his true nature and went on with the show in the light of a tragedy. Needless to say that the first time he did it was nothing i comparison but has the same feeling. I have read a transcript of his speech and while some may see it as a tribute, it sounds to me the way it was transcribed that he almost exploited the situation by saying that that was the largest gathering since the tragedy in NYC and Washington,DC. I have lost all respect for this man as of tonight. I live in the new york area and am unable to see it but have read some play by play on a reliable site soican only comment second hand. | ||||
| Sgt. Squeegie | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 10:35 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Nov. 00 | quote: The WWF has always proclaimed that they were not a "sport" they were "sports entertainment". They were just trying to offer another outlet to the people. I for one would have been seriously pissed if I had paid all that money for a ticket and not even been able to go to the show. If refunds were offered then it would be a different story cause I could then donate that money to the red cross but in any case..... No one can really tell anyone that this is a bad thing. People are going to take it the way that they want. Personally I am glad that he decided to go on with the show. It again shows these damn terrorist that while they may be able to shut down a city or even a whole section of the country but you will never be able to shut down the whole country. I am in no way saying that your opinion is wrong either so please don't get angry with me. I see your side of it as well and can understand how you would be angry but I don't see this as being insensitive to tragedy victims. I see this as a turning point, a beginning to the healing, a step towards putting this behind us. Is it too soon? I don't know. All I have is my opinion.  Tender Loving Care User Formerly Known as wabaker | ||||
| Numb Nutts | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 10:50 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 01 | I for one enjoyed watching something besides the same disasterousm footage over and over again. What he did was not disrespectful in anyway. NFL and MLB may be postponing this weeks games but that was thier choice. NCAA will play some games this weekend and Bush is encouraging these organizations to go about their business. If your not ready to be entertained yet, then dont watch. Whatever you do, please dont speak for everybody, because Im sure Im not the only one who needed that intermision from all this saddness. Besides, they did do it with taste and they kept it very mellow tonight. Only about 35% of the program was actually wrestling.  | ||||
| TheShocker | posted on 09-13-2001 @ 11:44 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00 | quote: Late bloomer, eh? Most of us lost all our respect for Vince after the Montreal Incedent. Besides, it's obvious that the only reason you're pissed is because you couldn't watch Smackdown. Believe me, it was all done tastefully, including, but not limited to, the broadcast of the Nat'l Anthem and the return of the red, white, and blue ropes. Some things are too important to be taken seriously. Go Ahead. E-Mail Me | ||||
| fuh-q-2 | posted on 09-14-2001 @ 12:00 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Nov. 00 | Sgt....My point was that legit sports did not take place why should this. You are entitled to your opinion and some may agree with you. as far as the people losing their money,how about all the peole with tickets to football games this weekend? it is the same thing, they may make it upthey may not. Numb Nuts....at no time did i say i spoke for everyone. please do not mistake my post as such. Shocker....I am pissed that i could not see it? I have watched the news for 3 days and have watched nothing else and have not wanted to. Smackdown would have been no different. Ihappened upon notes on the show and read the speech because i could not believe the show went on. I understand that it was done respectfully but putting on an entertainment show of that nature in light of these events is just disrespectful. I realize the rest of the country wants to get on with the world but being from NJ I and alot of people from here feel the same, am not yet ready to move on. You are entitled to your opinion and i respect that but i just vented, i apologize if it was taken wrong. EDIT: one other thing...all other sports cancelled for two reasons; one, respect for the tragedy. Two, Safety, the WWFE put alot of lives in danger by gathering like that for what? because the show must go on. You may not see that but I do, what other way was tere to continue this attack on our country then to go after the only large gathering. This message was edited by fuh-q-2 on 9-14-01 @ 12:16 AM | ||||
| Francine Banger | posted on 09-14-2001 @ 2:24 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | quote: Please. I dont think the Arabs were sitting around in a room, and saying Ok lets Bomb the World Trade Center, The Pentagon, and oh yeah The Compaq Center in Houston, its WWF Smackdown. Their were no lives put in danger there.  | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 09-14-2001 @ 8:08 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | RYDER: IT WAS THE WWF'S FINEST MOMENT by Bob Ryder 9/14/2001 1:42:00 AM Ok, I'll admit it....I cringed when Smackdown opened with Vince McMahon in the ring about to cut a promo on terrorism. At times he was almost too over the top, but he said just the right things...and he set the stage for what was to become the classiest thing the WWF has ever done. After cutting to the Smackdown opening, the camera returned to show the entire lockerroom emptying to come to the ramp for the singing of the national anthem by Lillian Garcia. It was a spirited and emotional rendition of the anthem that ranks right up there with Whitney Houston's performance at the Super Bowl a few years ago. The crowd in Houston burst into USA chants, and some of the toughest men in the world were visibly moved to tears. Throughout the evening, the Superstars of the WWF broke character to make remarks about what happened on Tuesday. Everyone spoke from the heart, and it was clear that they were as emotionally torn as the rest of the country. It was an emotional night...no doubt about it. It's been an emotional week that none of us will ever forget. The WWF was criticized by some for going forward with the show. Many people believe it was just too soon, and that we needed more of a healing process. I disagree, and after watching the show tonight...I'm absolutely convinced it was the right thing to do. Lita might have said it best when she said, and I'm paraphrasing...."when I have problems, sometimes it helps to just take a deep breath, and hopefully the entertainment we provide you tonight will help you take that first deep breath". The only tasteless moment of the night came when Stephanie McMahon unbelievably compared attacks on her family in the past to the attack on the United States on Tuesday. Those remarks are so incredibly ignorant that they don't really need any further comment. We can't let terrorism win. We have to move on and return to a sense of normal life. For many people Smackdown was the first step in the direction. Except for Stephanie McMahon's comments, it was the WWF's finest moment. | ||||
| fuh-q-2 | posted on 09-14-2001 @ 8:25 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Nov. 00 | I can see that I am not allowed to speak an opinion wihout people with the opposite opinion attacking me. Francine...For you to say that noone had that gathering targetted is ignorant. How do you know that without a doubt? How do you know that there were in fact no cells from this group or another group that were just waiting for the first event to take place anywhere. Houston is only hours from most parts of the country. This event was rescheduled on Tuesday which gave any of these cells time to get there to plan something. I am not trying to say that something could have happened with no doubt but for someone to say that noone planned on targetting the Compaq Center at any time is just unbelievable after these people hijacked our planes to crash into our Pentagon and WTC. I hope to god that this is over but in my heart i know it is far from over and am terrified of what may come next. | ||||
| Numb Nutts | posted on 09-14-2001 @ 9:18 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 01 | fuh- I did not mean to come across as attacking you. This is what people do in forums though, they debate on points of views. quote: 1)We cant live in fear, he was doing what our president is urging people to do. 2)Flights were very limited and for most of the country Houston is still days away. I do agree that you never know where these cells can be. | ||||
| fuh-q-2 | posted on 09-14-2001 @ 9:26 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Nov. 00 | Numb Nuts...I simply meant by the hours comment that being in NJ, I had a freind drive from near Houston and did it in under a day driving through. I understand flights were down and driving distances are really not that bad if you are a person on a mission of whatever kind. I am just trying to point out the obserdity of someone saying that NOONE was at anytime in danger in that arena. The attack comment was not directed towards you, my apologies for the misunderstanding. | ||||
| skitchr4u G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Xtreme Skiing Assualt Force | posted on 09-14-2001 @ 9:55 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | I applaud vince McMahon for going on with the show. It gave people a chance to see something else, to for a few moments to again suspend reality and get their minds onto something else, to help them just a little bit to deal with something else. Should he donate the gate proceeds to the relief fund...maybe. But by putting on the show, he did in fact help people in a way to start the healing process. Hopefully someday soon I will be able to see the show, because in my area it was blacked out.  AIM: SkiT4you First Member of the JWO Kindest regards to Grumpy for the sigpic | ||||
| Vapour | posted on 09-14-2001 @ 10:23 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 01 | Fuh, I understand that you are going through a painful period. Believe me millions of people are going through the same thing. However, to completely shut down our activities will be a sign of defeat. Hence President Bush asked the country to return to work as usual. The WWF should not be blamed or criticized for putting on the Smackdown show. You commented that since all sporting events for the weekend have been cancelled therefore the wwf should have cancelled Smackdown. Well, first of all the WWF did cancel/postpone RAW is war out of respect for the WTC incident. Secondly as Numb Nutts pointed out, not all Major sporting event were cancelled. The NCAA is going forward with some games. The NFL up until yesterday was going to go forward with their game but because most of the players requested for a cancellation, they then cancelled. For the MBL... well I don't know the circumstance. Just because you don't want to move on yet does not mean other don't want to. Judging by the attendance for smackDown, I'll say tons of people are ready to move on. I also reside in the NJ/NY area an to my knowledge, Some people around that area are also ready to move on and needs a break for the WTC images shown on TV. This is apparent because I drove by a couple of Theaters yesterday evening and for a Thursday night, there sure were a lot of cars parked in their parking lots. I guess those people took a break by going to the movies. My point again is that just because you are not ready to move on does not mean others are not or should not. Just because you want the world to stop does not mean it should. We are all angered and affected by the WTC incident but a lot of us need a break from the horrific scene shown every day on TV. I am happy that Vince and his wrestlers decided to move along with the show. GOD BLESS AMERICA! HA HA HA HA | ||||
| fuh-q-2 | posted on 09-14-2001 @ 10:34 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Nov. 00 | Well, i hope this will be the last post on this thread. I started this post as a vent. A way for me to vent my opinion, but i was attacked because of it. I have freidns in different parts f the country and a freindin Ohio said Wednesday it was Business as usual for the most part. Obviously The rest of this country is able to move on quicker because it was not in their back yard. The fact that this was sold out in Houston, Texas does not tell me that people want to move on for the most part. I apologize for voicing an opinion that apparently is a minority by the looks of it. Please just let this thread die and get on with our lives. | ||||
| JackDan1974 | posted on 09-14-2001 @ 11:00 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jul. 01 | I was going to let this thread die, but I am from Houston. I did not go to the show out of respect, but I do not feel that we here in Houston have put that tragic event behind us. My company lost one person on flight 11, and several others on the top floor of WTC that where giving a prsentation. In fact we are meeting today rememberance to those who lost their lives on September 11, 2001.quote: fuh-q-2 Are we never going to meet in large groups again, in the future in fear that we may be attacked? No, we must show these POS that we will not live in fear, but the opposite we will remember our brethren, and honor them by living. That is one of the reasons that Bush has asked NFL, and MLB to resume their businesses. I know that it is a trying time right now, and people are very sensitive. I am not attacking you only stating what I have learned about terriosm tactics while I was in the Air Force. That one of the points of terriosem is to make you stop your normal routine, and think about what the terriost’s cause. They accomplished what they wanted they brought the most powerful nation on the world to a stand still. Think at what they took from us. They took Mother’s, Father’s, Sister’s, and Brother’s and orphaned much more. What I think they failed to realize is the repercussion of their actions that they will soon be taught.  "adopted by Gpatweed" 09/11/01 This message was edited by JackDan1974 on 9-14-01 @ 2:07 PM | ||||
| Ferret | posted on 09-14-2001 @ 1:06 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | Fuh-q-2 I agree with you that the WWF should not have had smackdown last night, but at the same time, you can't take everything that the others say personally. None of them really did attack you (which can be brutal at times in the main forum) they just said that they don't agree with your opinion. That's not saying they don't like you or that youre an asshole, it's voicing their beliefs, just like you did with yours. You can't take that as a personal attack around here, or you wont be around very long at all. | ||||
| fuh-q-2 | posted on 09-14-2001 @ 2:27 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Nov. 00 | There was one comment i took as an attack that was uncalled for.quote: Who the fuck are they to say that? That is the last post i will make here. | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 09-14-2001 @ 4:24 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | I live by Trenton, so I get Philly and New York local channels on my cable system. The show was done very well. Basically they put on the same tribute show as the Raw after Owen's death. Before and after every commercial, single superstar interviews were shown. Each superstar gave his/her own personal thoughts about what happened. Everyone out of character, of course. The rest of the show was, as it was after Owen's death, business as usual. Very nice touch with the ending though - with Kurt Angle going over, then grabbing the mic to start a USA chant. Say what you will about disrespect, but I say Vince put on the best show possible. The same show would not have had the same effect if they had done the tribute on Monday. Now it's fresh in EVERYONE'S mind.... and many of the superstars really let their feelings loose. Some of it is on the show right now.... just heard The Rock's audio.  | ||||
| Harry Ballzanya | posted on 09-14-2001 @ 11:39 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | First of all, I would like to say that personally I agree that it was a sogn of disrespect, although I truly believe that was not the intent of Vince or the WWF. I did not get to see the show so maybe I don't have much to base that on, but I have a very good idea of what went on because I read various reports and it's been compared to the Raw after Owen passed. The main point I want to get across is that so many of you keep saying that it was something to get your mind away from the tradgedy and all the sadness, but how can that be if the entire show was based around the tradgedy and showed everyone's sadness and grieving throughout the show. To use the excuse that it got your mind off of the tradgedy just does not make any sense at all concidering the conent of the program was entirely about the tradgedy itself. Don't Like It? GET THE FUCK OUT!! | ||||
| Goat Pupil | posted on 09-15-2001 @ 12:02 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | I don't think it was a sign of disrespect at all. I don't feel anyone would try to take advantage of this situation. Especially not a milionare like Vince McMahon. Vince also had a great tribute speech. | ||||
| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 09-15-2001 @ 12:18 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | I also didn't see the show, but in reading the reports (CRZ.net has what is basically a transcript of the entire show), I also agree, it was disrespectful. Vince McMahon was not disrespectful in letting the show go on. Broadway is also open. But he used a horrible tragedy to put over himself, his family, and the WWF brand. This is just wrong. Take Bradshaw's comments: "There's gonna be some critics. There's gonna be some critics that wonder why we run this show. I wanna make this perfectly clear: go to hell." -Justin Bradshaw I am aware that he's a smart guy, so I'm guessing he was "coached" before making these statements. There's no reason to tell the WWF's, and Vince McMahon's critics, to "go to hell" in a time like this. That's just selfish. If Smackdown were about "entertaining" and "getting back to normal" like they said it would, there wouldn't have been anything like that. They simply would have run a normal show, totally separate from the outside world, like they do every week. Instead, they decided to wallow in tragedy, exploit it, and once again put over the McMahons and the WWF. Like everything Vince McMahon does, he basically lied to try to spin everything in his favor (first large gathering after the attack, rah-rah, ain't we great). Not everyone buys the lies...  | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 09-15-2001 @ 1:58 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: So... when people call in to O&A or any of the WNEW shows to express their feelings about what happened (minus those who actually lost people - they don't count cause no one in WWF lost anyone)... you're saying those people are exploiting the situation too? I suppose exploiting it to get on the air? The WWF show DID get back to normal - all of the angles were business as usual.... the faces were faces, the heels were heels, the Rock talked about his strudel. The tribute was done to acknowledge the tragedy and maybe show people that these wrestlers have feelings too.... they're REAL PEOPLE too... not just some wacky guys in tights that beat each other up. If you didn't get that out of it, you missed the whole fucking point. And if they had waited till Monday, and put on a show WITHOUT any form of tribute, I would think THAT would have been the biggest form of disrespect. At least last night it was done, as I said, while it was fresh in everyone's minds... it showed the wrestling fans who are hurting that they're not the only ones... that everyone in the country, even the people that are your entertainers, and sometimes maybe people you look up to or aspire to be, feel the same way you do. | ||||
| Sgt. Squeegie | posted on 09-15-2001 @ 1:17 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Nov. 00 | The way I see it, putting on Smackdown took a lot of guts. With all the speculation on the internet about how they shouldn't do it and even some of the wrestlers (including the Rock) who had reservations about going on with the show, I believe they delivered big time. This was not about exploitation. You want exploitation? Look at the news stations. Check out how they tried digging things up, bringing in victims or close relative or friends of victims, firefighters, police officers and anything else they could find to keep you glued to their stations so that later on down the road they can say "we had the exclusive coverage". It was all a ratings game that day between news channels. That, in my mind, is exploitation. Reporting the news is one thing, but to interview people who are trying to save lives and taking away from their time is disrespectful. Oh yeah and by the way....have a nice day. Tender Loving Care User Formerly Known as wabaker | ||||
| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 09-15-2001 @ 7:48 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | quote: Not at all. Calling into O&A to express your feelings on the situation is not exploiting anything. But if someone were to call in an attempt to put themselves or their product over, then yes, it would be. There's a difference. Like I said, I don't have a problem with Smackdown going on the air. I also don't have a problem with giving the wrestlers a forum to speak out about what has happened. What I do have a problem with is the way they used it as an opportunity to put over the product at a time when it was unnecessary, and the way they advertised it as a "return to normal" when it was anything but. Vince McMahon could have handled the show more tactfully, but he chose not to, or maybe he doesn't know any better. He is a wrestling promoter, after all... quote: They're the worst exploiters of all. But at least they're not showing commercials... | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 09-15-2001 @ 8:30 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Other than "no commercials", you tell me what show would have been up to your standards. Even the news has taken SOME commercial breaks. | ||||
| rageparty 123...Not so bare anymore since I got a number underneath my name again I also have an imaginary girlfriend. | posted on 09-23-2001 @ 10:52 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | i think it was a great show, and i actually think what vince did was for the better, like 20 wrestlers all vioced their opinions on this, they got the whole locker room out to stand for the national anthem, they got kurt angle to rally the crowd with a USA chant, but at the same time it was returning america to its original rutine slowly but surely, and i think thats all that matters | ||||
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