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| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 01-03-2002 @ 2:09 AM |    | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01  | I just thought this was interesting. Don't know if it is legit. From Matt Brock: It has recently been uncovered that Scott Steiner and the WWF had come to terms many months ago and were just about to sign the contract when Triple H got into Vince McMahon's ear to nix the deal. Seems like Triple H found out about a secret pact made between old friends Steiner and Steve Austin to end Triple H's backstage reign of terror. Austin and Steiner had been friends since their days in WCW, even rooming together in their tours of New Japan As you might remember, during Steiner's promo on Nitro almost two years ago lambasting Ric Flair, Steiner put over Austin, saying that the powers that be held Austin back in WCW. Steiner and Austin has sensed that Triple H is sabotaging Austin backstage right now, similar to the situation in WCW many years back. So Austin was pushing for Steiner to be signed and heavily pushed because Austin knows that Steiner is legitimately feared backstage and no one will pull a power play on Steiner to end his push. Austin knows that if Triple H tried to sabotage Steiner, Steiner would explode and will forego future paychecks and legit beat up Triple H. However, Steiner would have no problem doing the jobs to his friend Austin. Triple H caught wind of this and got in McMahon's ear. Helmsley convinced McMahon that Steiner is too much of a loose cannon to be associated with the WWF locker room and all negotiations are currently off. I know that Matt Brock has been around forever and has a good track record. This just sounds so wacky, that either it's true, or someone has a damn good imagination. Credit: a1wrestling.com | ||||
| Ree Unofficial Biggest Whore of OA.com G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Reaver Strike Battalion Rage Brother #1, Paladin of Hatred Where's my snare? I have no snare in my headphones. | posted on 01-03-2002 @ 2:17 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jun. 01 | Wow. Interesting deduction Detective Columbo. But, that is a very interesting rumor... who knows?  Thine In Honor, Ree "Your Lord, Your Christ... Stood and prayed, never strayed... never taste of the fruit... never thought to question why?" -Maynard James Keenan 'Judith' Seph is God for sig. I am Psycho Mark Incarnate Gak Gak Gak Bink | ||||
| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 01-03-2002 @ 2:40 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | Just thought I'd throw this in here as well, to give some background on HHH's supposed backstage influence. It's kinda long and hard to follow, but damn interesting. --------------------- : Triple H is a very popular face as : the leader of DX. Is turned heel, so : he can main event against the Rock : and Steve Austin. The story at the time was that he turned heel so he could elevate his good buddy Waltman up the cards. The next PPV after the turn, we had: April 25, 1999 - Backlash PPV - pinned X-Pac in feud match 3rd from the top The top two matches were the Austin vs. Rock rematch, with the semi being used to prep Taker for his heel run against Austin. : Is quickly buried in the Corporate : Ministry angle. Buried? He slid right into a feud with the new Super Over Face of the company - Rock. In fact, on the very next PPV: May 23, 1999 - Over the Edge PPV - DQ loss to new face Rock in semifinal Not too bad for a "buried" heel to get a semifinal PPV match against on of the top to faces in the company... and avoid doing a clean job to this hot new face. In the main event, the other hot face in the company (Austin) was dropping the title to Taker. : Mankind wins the title in a three-way : match against Steve Austin and Triple : H. At that time, Austin was heavily : criticized for never putting people : over (Jeff Jarrett, Triple H, etc.). Woo, woo, woo... you're forgetting the build up to Trip's title shot. I'm guessing you had it filed under "buried", but it went something like this: The 06/27/99 King of the Ring had the double main event of super hot new face Rock taking on heel champion Taker and Austin vs. The McMahons for control of the company. Now since that "elevate Waltman" thing was done with back when he beat and buried Waltman in April, there really wasn't a spot for Trip on this show. So instead he ran in on the Taker vs. Rock match and helped Taker pin Rock to retain the title. In the main, the McMahons beat Austin to get control of the company (this was the kooky ladder match with the briefcase). Naturally Super Over New Face Rock wanted a piece of Trip's ass on the next PPV, while the Austin vs. McMahon wars needed to end. But Trip also thought he deserved a title shot for helping Taker screw over Rock. So we'd have Austin vs. Taker for the WWF title and a "McMahon Leave The WWF" stip attached to it, while Rock and Trip would be in a #1 contenders strap match. Now I shit you not... for the third straight PPV, Super Over Hot New Face Rock can't get a clean win over a heel. Yep... Trip beats him in the strap match. Which makes sense, since rather than get buried Trip's been built up for his title match with Austin at Mania - beat Waltman, not job to Rock, help screw over Rock, beat Rock. Not a bad PPV run there... for a guy who's "buried". ;) Now Trip does get screwed at Summer Slam because the more popular Foley gets added at the last minute to make it a three-way dance, and in a major upset wins the title because Austin didn't want to job to Trip. It's possible that Austin was the only one paying close attention to Trip's bookings at Backlash PPV, Over the Edge, King of the Ring and Fully Loaded and wondered if Trip was Shawn II and a job to him would be something that would be very hard to get back. ;) : Triple H gets a match against Foley : the next night on RAW and wins the : title. It was "right" for Trip to get the title, because there's no doubt he was screwed the night before. But the quick loss of the title by Foley really felt like a letdown for the fans. And the fans also didn't initially take to Trip as champ... well, they didn't until the following January when Trip and Mick had a full blown feud to follow-up on Trips post-wedding feud with Vince. Perhaps they would have been better off keeping the belt on Mick until at least the PPV, and have feud with Trip at that point. : During his reign, Triple H is : consistently shown to be a rather : weak champion. Losses to the Rock and : needs Shawn Michaels and Shane : McMahon to win the title back. Win the title back? He didn't lose it until Vince took it from him. I don't think Trip looked weaker than any standard heel champ. As far as looking weak against The Rock, it tend to be fair since Rock was the one who made Trip look good going into winning the title. Rock also was the Super Hot New Face, and given his 1-2 record on PPVs after turning face, with the 1 being a DQ win, the company did need to show the fans that Rock wasn't a loser. I mean, he also lost those last two big PPV matches before turning face - those ones to Austin. Your Super Hot New Face was 1-4 from Mania to SummerSlam, were he got to beat Mr. Ass in a "Kiss My Ass" match. Oh boy... : The WWF loses faith in Triple H and : Triple H jobs to Vince McMahon. The : belt is put on the Big Show. Actually this is incorrect. The WWF runs a hot storyline with Trip and Vince, climaxing in Vince winning the title from Trip. The company has so lost confidence in Trip that they let him win the title back in two weeks at Unforgiven. Now dig this - in one night, in one match, Trip got to beat The Rock, Foley, Kane, The Big Show and the British Bulldog. Sure, there are a lot of pikers in that match, but Rock and Foley are the biggest faces in the company behnd Austin, who was a little banged up and sitting this one out. Oh... and he got to pin the Rock in it. Running his 1999 PPV totals against the Super Over Hot New Face to 1-2, with the 1 being a DQ loss. The company lost so much faith in Trip that they let him defend the title on the next PPV, No Mercy. Against Austin. Now I'm not shitting you on this... you've got to believe me here... I know it doesn't make since Trip's been buried and the company has already lost faith in him. So take a deep breath before you read the next line. Ready? Okay. Trip _pins_ Austin. No, really... I'm serious. I'm not shitting you a bit. Heel Trip pinned The Great WWF Face Stone Cold. Now mind you, this is only fair as payback since Austin wussed out of jobbing to Trip back at SummerSlam. But you could also see, perhaps, Austin being a big jackass he and losing by DQ... Sorta like Trip did the one time in 1999 that he put Rock over on a PPV? ;) : Steve Austin needs surgery. And it's _then_ that the company lost faith in Trip. The main event of SummerSlam was a four-way dance between Trip and Rock and Austin. Now absent Austin getting hurt, it's not clear who would have won this puppy. I cop to not remembering, other than things weren't really working out with Trip as champ. Since he'd pinned Rock and Austin on the last two PPVs, either one of them could go over here. But I'm pretty sure it wasn't Rock, since his big face win was going to be saved for Mania. But Austin got hurt bad, and looked like it could be for a long time. Vince lost his mind and though that by putting the belt on Show that Show could get over. Bad idea. Now dig this finish, and remember that Trip is a _heel_ here and Show is the new champ they badly want to get over. Clean pin by Show on Trip, right? No. Vince with a belt shot on Trip which allows him to chokeslammed by Show. Seriously... I shit you not. The new Monster Champ can't even beat a Heel Champ who David is telling us (i) the company has been making look week, and (ii) has lost faith in. Amazing, no? : DX is reformed. That it is. : Triple H is paired with Stephanie and : BAM, quickly becomes the fastest : rising heel since Roddy Piper. It actually wasn't "quick". It was step by step, with the feud with Vince and the Armageddon match taking one step forward, then the feud with Foley taking another step forward, and then actually *winning* the feud with Rock cementing him. For the fastest rising heel since Piper in the WWF, check out Andre the Giant. All he needed was one segement ripping the necklace off Hogan before all anyone wanted to see was a Hogan vs. Andre match. It took a while before Trip got there, though there were mostly positive steps forward for him from the moment he went opposite Vince through winning the feud with Rock. : Wins the title back from the Big Show. Well, this does need to be explained, which I did in my response. ;) He really wasn't super hot at that point, but there were obvious and reasonable reasons for him to get the belt back. Boss' daughter part didn't hurt either. : Hunter starts a fantastic feud with : then midcarder, Chris Jericho. They : proceed to have four -- five star : matches. : : Hunter has four -- five star TV : matches with Taka, Benoit, and : Rikishi. : : Starts a fantastic feud with Mick : Foley and Foley puts him over. You're getting out of order here. Trip's first defense after winning the title back from show was the 01/06/00 SmackDown. It's against Rikishi. It's an excellent match, and Trip workers it about as smart as any match he's ever worked. But it's 7:12 long with a swrewjob DQ finish. I praised the match at the time, and have for the two years since. But it wasn't a **** - ***** match. Too short, weak finish, too many match that have been better. If this is ****, than something like Austin vs. Rock at Mania was **********. More like *** to ***1/2. The work was at ***1/2 or above level, but it was too short to get an epic feel to it, and the finish was annoying. I dug it, though. The next Raw (01/10/00) shots the angle which sets up the Trip vs. Foley feud - eight man tag between DX and Rock & Sock + APA. Trip pins Mankind, and busts him open. SmackDown (01/13/00) has Foley as Cactus Jack challenge Trip to a street fight at the Rumble, so we're now in the feud. The main is Trip & (the elevated) X-Pac vs. Show & Rock... and I shit you now, Trip pinned Rock again~! Next Raw (01/17/00). Trip & Waltman against the APA, while Foley rambles on about something earlier in the show. Next SmackDown (01/20/00) has Trip getting the night off, though he comes out to ramble on for the Main Event^H^H^H^Interview before Foley comes down and the brawl and what not. 1/23/00 is the Rumble. Since Foley hasn't gotten to pin Trip in the build up, he's winning the title, right? Nah. Rock could put Foley over a whole bunch for the title the year before, but not Trip because he's... er... Trip. 01/24/00 Raw... Trip & Big Show vs. Rock & Rikishi... this is where Trip can put over Rock in a meaningless tag match? Nah, NAO run in and we get the DQ. 01/27/00 SmackDown. Trip gets the night off. Long rambling interview between Foley and Steph to set up the next PPV. Rock and Rikishi in the main event to confuse people over who's the most over babyface in the promotion. ;) 01/31/00 Raw. Radicals sit in front row, then beat up the NAO, then Foley has some fun words with them. Trip vs. Kane is the main... which is nothing more than a Foley brawl with Trip that involves the radicals. 02/03/00 SmackDown. Now I shit you not... but this actually happened. This has nothing to do with using power or anything, but here goes: * Waltman pins Malenko in 4:07 * NAO beat Eddy & Saturn (Dogg pins Eddy) in 4:28 * Trip pins Benoit clean in 9:03 The Trip match is good, though I wouldn't go to **** to *****. It wasn't as good as either Benoit vs. Austin from the middle of this year. Okay, let's not dwell on that three pins eaten by the Radicals in 17 minutes... moving right along: 02/07/00 Raw has the Radicals turn on Foley and a handicap main event of Trip & Waltman & Beniot & Saturn & Malenko vs. Rock & Sock... but they're joined by 2 Cool and Rikishi~! Finally, a ten man tag where Foley can get a pin on Trip to lead into the PPV. Oh... wait... Trip helps Benoit pin Sexay... sorta because Benoit isn't good enough to pin a WWF mid carder like Sexay without the help of Super Heel Trip. Er... Damn, I thought there was a Cactus & Radicals vs. DX match before the turn on Foley, but I must be thinking about something else. ;) Alright... onto 02/10/00 SmackDown. Trip & Waltman againt Kane... next. 02/14/00 Raw. Kane vs. Show & Trip. I'd forgotten these crappy aspects of the storyline. Trip can't be bothered to job here, so Show does to Kane while Foley and Trip brawl and stuff. 02/17/00 SmackDown. Kane vs. Trip for the WWF title. DX run in... nothing match. Foley against Waltman, and I shit you not - _even_ Waltman won't job for Foley as DX beats Foley and tosses him in the baggage compartment of the DX Express. I'm starting to remember that some of us were getting pissed even before Trip started playing games with Rock later in the year. 02/21/00 Raw at the GA Dome in the ATL~! The last Raw before the PPV and the Hell In The Cell Match~! Trip & Show & Waltman vs. Rock & Foley & Kane~! Trip pins Foley in the middle of the ring~! 02/24/00 SmackDown. The final big show leading into the No Way Out PPV. Something's got to give. Foley talks about Joe Fraizer. Trip & Waltman & Road Dogg ego-fuck^H^H^tune up by beating 2 Cool and Rikishi. 02/27/00 No Way Out PPV. Trip has yet to job to Foley in this entire feud. Trip took the first singles match, has pinned him in several tag matches, and got Foley's good buddies The Radicals to turn on him in humiliating fashion (but not before Trip first proved DX superiority over the Radicals via The Clean Sweep wink-wink nudge-nudge). Foley, the face in this here one sided feud, and sworn to god (or his grandmother's grave or on the souls of his two children) that if he loses, he will never, ever, never wrestle in the WWF again... promise, hope to die... he won't be like those other lairs who leave and come back (wink-wink nudge-nudge). So this MUST means the Foley is going to WIN the Hell in the Cell Match. Right? RIGHT?!?! Sit down. Take a deep breath. Ready? You haven't been paying attention. Of course Trip wins. Clean and decisive, good bye Mick... for a few months. : Then starts a feud with the Rock. Well, yeah... that's interesting. Note that it is before the Jericho and TAKA matches, and it's quite goofy. 02/28/00 Raw. Main event - Show & Trip vs. Rock. Show accidentally whacks Trip. My god~! to quote CRZ, the unthinkable is about to happen: "Show, oops, Show clotheslined his partner. Rock DDT's show and all three men are down. Crowd chants. Rock with "Iblockyourpunchyoudon'tblockmine," repeated rights, whip into the ropes is reversed, but Rock hits a spinebuster. Clothesline for the Show that takes him outside the ring! Shot for Shane on the apron! Rock Bottom on Triple H! And now it's time for the People's Elbow - and for the first time in about a month, it hits! 1, 2, Shane in to break it up! Hebner has no choice...and calls for the bell. YES! YES! YES YES YES YES YES! Oh sorry. (DQ 6:53)" Yep, even now building to WrestleMania and after two months of making Foley his bitch, Trip still has jobphobia. 03/02/00 SmackDown. Okay, there's starting to get some heat in the back on Trip about not doing jobs, even when Big Show clocks him. Hmmm... how to fix that one? Trip & Show vs. Rock & Rikishi. Show clocks Trip with a chair, Rock pins Trip. Now set aside that Trip is the heel in this here feud with Rock and shouldn't need an excuse like "Partner Hits Me" to do a job. We need to praise god that he finally did one. Yeah~! 03/06/00 Raw. Trip vs. Rikishi. Shorter at 5:07. Screwy again with a DQ. Rock needs to look strong going into Mania. Let him beat Beniot in a cage match. Check. 03/09/00 SmackDown. Rock still needs to look strong. Let him beat both Benoit & Saturn in a handicap match. Check. Trip & Show vs. Rikishi. Trip needs his heat back, so let him pin Rikishi finally. Check. 03/13/00 Raw. Trip still needs his heat. Let him & DX beat 2 Cool & Rikishi, with him pinning Rikishi again. Check. Rock needs that heat too. Let him beat Show in a singles match. Got it. 03/16/00 SmackDown. That heat thing is back. Trip better do a non-title job for the Godfather, since he's no threat to the top spot and not even someone involved in the storyline. Hmmm... need a reason for it. Let Show & Shane beat him up outside the ring and knock him out before rolling him back in for the GF to pin. Hey, make the boss' son happy and calm down Show for doing that job to Rock. Speaking of Rock, put him in the main even with Waltman to get more heat... no, wait... that's my buddy Sean... we better have Kane run in for the DQ. ;) 03/20/00 Raw. Rock vs. Trip vs. Show for the WWF title. Woo-hoo~! Trip pins Show to retain. Hmmm... 03/23/00 SmackDown. Trip can't be bothered to wrestle. Lots of talk. Linda McMahon announces that Mania with be a four-way dance with Trip vs. Rock vs. Show vs. "I Was Only Kidding" Mick Foley. Lots more talk. 03/27/00 Raw. The last Raw before Mania. Show & Shane vs. Vince & Rock. Rock pins Shane. Trip and Foley the refs. I forgot this match as well... I can't see why. 03/30/27 SmackDown~! The last show before the PPV. Rock pins Angle. Steph beat Jacki in the main event (!) for the womens title. No tune up for Trip. Trip's last image going into Mania is winning the three-way a few weeks back with Rock and Show. Which means he can't be winning at Mania... : Loses the title to the Rock Wait, you're getting ahead of yourself here again. 04/02/00 Wrestlemania 2000. Trip vs. Rock vs. Show vs. "I Will Not Lie To My Fans" Mick Foley. Rock pins Show. True to the last drop, Trip makes Mick his bitch by pinning him and sending him packing. In the history of WrestleMania, the face has _never_ lost a WWF Title match (unless your name is Bret Hart Lex Luger, and all those losses were so that another face could end the show with the belt). So Trip's going down. That's why he got the belt from Show, and why Rock didn't get the belt in 1999 after the face turn even after Austin went out. This is the Big Moment for Rock. You're not paying attention. Trip pins him in the end. : and regains it the next month. Losses : it for the final time against the : Rock. Well, that's another tale. He did lose it on the next PPV. Then Trip won it back in the climactic Iron Man match before Trip had Vince job the title for him at King of the Ring. That's another three months of Raws and SmackDowns and Trip manipulations to go through. Rock starts jobbing with regularity, not just to Trip but to other people as well... my head will explode. Thes three months leading into Mania are amazingly similar to what we see over the rest of the year. : Hunter starts a feud with Kurt : Angle. /V ratings are at a record : high. Raw ratings were at a record high of 1999. Try May. Also, Raw rating were higher in the Rock vs. Trip feud than the Angle vs. Trip feud or Rock vs. Benoit and Trip vs. Jericho and Angle vs. UT trio of feuds that actually followed Rock vs. Trip. : Is so over as a heel, that he's : starting to get huge face pops from : the crowd. Not against the Rock. He is against Angle, but it helps when you squelch the storyline where your wife leaves you for Angle and you start cutting promos on Angle that he's a gay. It's not hard to get the pops opposite a guy who's preaching "No Sex Is Safe Sex", can't steal your wife even though all the fans could see that one coming a mile away, and who's actually *playing* heel. : Steve Austin comes back. Actually, Rock had the belt long before that. He's was being given his long run with the belt as payback for all the jobs he did earlier in the year. Angle then got it after his legs had been safely cut from under him. Then after Rock was wandering around aimlessly for a while, he got the belt back so he could drop it to Austin. "... or something like that." John, thinking sifting through the WWF in 2000 is a bit like sifting through All Japan this year - all the signs of the coming downfall were there... credit: John D. Williams, otherarena.com | ||||
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| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 01 | hmm......that is very interesting. i hope it isnt true though because i would like to see steiner in the wwf some day. and i got 1/3 through that rundown thing, and i felt like ripping my eyes out. :) This message was edited by HyBriD on 1-3-02 @ 6:42 AM | ||||
| hornygoatweed I've Got A Vagina With Teeth. G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Dragoon Battalion My friends call me Weed | posted on 01-03-2002 @ 1:34 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | This is an interesting rumor. I can't remember specifics, but I do recall hearing once that written in the storyline at one time HHH was suppossed to pin Austin for a win, but Austin refused to do that, and had the writes (somehow) rewrite it that he lost, but not by pin via HHH. I have heard many times that there is a lot of competitiveness between SCSA and Trips - and Trips is suppossedely carrying aroung a huge head in the locker room. To be honest, I kinda like the idea of there being inside feuds - think about it, if everyone back there were happy-happy-joy-joy, the WWF would really suck. As for screwing people and making/breaking people by influencing others...hell thats life! You can reach me through AIM or email. Don't be shy, drop a line and say Hi! | ||||
| rageparty 123...Not so bare anymore since I got a number underneath my name again I also have an imaginary girlfriend. | posted on 01-03-2002 @ 6:29 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | That's really interesting, I hope Steiner eventually signs with the WWF. Man, I still don't see why certain wrestlers won't job to certian guys. It doesn't make you any less of a wrestler if you job to a guy, and if you jobbed the match good, you still get recognition backstage don't you? | ||||
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