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| Noellevious Teh cute. Look at that. You could bounce quarters off of it. Incredible. | posted on 06-13-2002 @ 7:16 PM |    | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 01  | From WWE.com: Stone Cold Steve Austin walks On March 18, 2002, the day after WrestleMania, without company approval and without notice, Stone Cold Steve Austin walked off the job and failed to appear at WWE’s Raw show in Montreal. Stone Cold Steve Austin was advised by WWE management that this was unprofessional and unacceptable. After a two week hiatus, Austin returned to work. On Monday, June 10, 2002, Stone Cold Steve Austin again failed to appear for the scheduled Raw event in Atlanta, instead choosing to return home to San Antonio without notice and without company approval. Although Steve was unhappy with his character’s creative direction, Steve made the personal and unprofessional decision not to report to work to address his concerns. Therefore, Stone Cold Steve Austin is no longer an active member of WWE’s talent roster.  Go Heebs! I am what I am, and I am IT! This message was edited by Noellevious on 6-13-02 @ 7:18 PM | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 06-13-2002 @ 7:25 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | No f'n way. I don't think they would do that with especially the NWA desperate for attention. I honestly think there is problems. I think they will come to an agreement and make an angle out of this. If it is an angle and I hope it is, I hope they keep him out until next month's PPV Vengeance, which who do you think is on the poster, Stone Cold Steve Austin.  | ||||
| krahzee | posted on 06-13-2002 @ 7:44 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | I agree with TeenWeek. There is no way Vince is going to outright fire Austin and risk him going to any new up and coming competition. He may be a pain in the ass to deal with, but he can still draw, and Vince is to smart to let him do that for someone else. They may, however, bench him in real life. Send his ass home and let him just collect his downside garuntee. He will still make quite a bit of money, but he will lose some cash in his share of the gates for events he is not attending. While they have not exactly been setting attendance records lately, Austin is still one of the top guys, and his share of the gate has gotta be pretty hefty. They are probably benching him for the sheer fact that he is a leader too. They need to make an example out of him, or the lockeroom moral will start to resemble WCW's. (this guy refuses to job to that guy, ect...) Like TeenWeek said, One or both sides will give eventually. They make too much money together in Merchandise alone, not to. The question will be which side budges. If the WW_ 's ratings stay low, or drop lower, it might be them. If they rise then Austin might have to eat humble pie. | ||||
| rageparty 123...Not so bare anymore since I got a number underneath my name again I also have an imaginary girlfriend. | posted on 06-13-2002 @ 8:45 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | No way. Austin is too important, I expect him to be out 2 months max. By then they'll have made some kind of change... Life Isn't | ||||
| Jack Meehoff Teh funny blah blah absent blah blah teh blah | posted on 06-13-2002 @ 8:50 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02 | Well.. I am sure, after the ratings wars between WCW and WW_ a few years ago where they kept snatching up eachothers talents that their is a no compete clause in Austin's contract. I would assume that it would be for at least a year thus putting Austin on the sideline until it does expire. EDIT: I think it will be healthy for the business to have him away right now as it is. No more "What" and it will give more people a chance to step up and take his spot on the top. Hopefully people like Booker T, or Bubba Ray Dudley.  May Teh Funny Be With You This message was edited by Jack Meehoff on 6-13-02 @ 8:53 PM | ||||
| rageparty 123...Not so bare anymore since I got a number underneath my name again I also have an imaginary girlfriend. | posted on 06-13-2002 @ 9:09 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | quote: Then he wouldn't come back at all. You know that Austin is partially pissed off because HIS character isn't going anywhere, not only the WWF's status... If he got replaced he'd be really pissed! That would make it worse... Life Isn't | ||||
| Se7en | posted on 06-13-2002 @ 9:30 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 01 | Most of the internet smarks & journalists seem to believe that this whole situation is either a work or a shoot that's been turned into an angle. I'm on the fence. I'm almost willing to watch "Confidential" this weekend, because Vince begins his "Bret Hart treatment" of Austin there. For the record, I support Austin 100%, even if he is being selfish here. it will give more people a chance to step up and take his spot on the top. Hopefully people like Booker T, or Bubba Ray Dudley. HA! I laugh at that. You know what happens if Austin leaves? You know who "steps up" to consolidate their power? Michaels. Nash. X-Pac. HHH. The Cliq runs things again. Get ready to see Jericho, Benoit, Angle and all the other "vanilla midgets" (Nash's words, not mine) get screwed over AGAIN. They may, however, bench him in real life. Send his ass home and let him just collect his downside garuntee. He will still make quite a bit of money, but he will lose some cash in his share of the gates for events he is not attending. Part of me wants that to happen. Cause if Austin stays home, he wins. If they change things to entice him back, he wins. Either way, Steve walks away a winner. The only difference is, if he has to stay home, Vince will smear his name a la Bret and there will be WWF / Vince apologists (here and elsewhere) who buy into McMahon's rhetoric.  "Being a bastard WORKS." --Spider Jerusalem | ||||
| -GomeZ- | posted on 06-13-2002 @ 10:24 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02 | I don't think it's a work or that he was released, but rather they want to give him time off to cool down and hopefully see things their way... Hate Austin as much as you want, but the guy is entertaining most of the time, and he does have large drawing power(he turned one fucking word into a catchphrase for gods sake) I hope he comes around, because each time I think I've had enough of Austin, he pulls out a solid match performance or a great promo that keeps me interested. quote: This is why I fucking hate Nash....The guy has never had even an ounce of the talent the other great big-men have had (Big Show looks like a gymnast compared to this jackass)...He never has and never will respect the buisness, he deserves nothing more than a one-way ticket to the retirement community.... What really pissed me off is how he was berating Mike Awesome just after Awesome entered WCW and started to fued with him...Awesome may not have alot of charisma, but he can put on good matches, matches that are more entertaining that watching Big Lazy lean on the ropes and try to recapture his youth.  Trust Me! | ||||
| Francine Banger | posted on 06-13-2002 @ 11:23 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | quote: You mean I can go back to watching in ring interviews again without changing the channel becaue 18,000 morons are chanting "What" every 2 seconds? Cool.  | ||||
| krahzee | posted on 06-13-2002 @ 11:25 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | quote: Doubt it. The one of the main reasons a guy usually disappeared from one company for awhile before joining the other was because the old company would bench him. Plus they were both trying to get big names at that time. Vince was in no real financial position to force Austin into that type of contract back then. WCW still had all of Time/Warner's $$ to play with and Vince knew it. They would have paid what it took to get Austin if they could. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only person I remeber ever hindered by the nocompete was Raven. If I recall right he left WCW for ECW, but as part of his release, was not allowed to go to WWF until after a certain date. | ||||
| Beans Malone | posted on 06-14-2002 @ 8:15 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | quote: That faggot Michaels must be smiling ear to ear with the thought of Austin walkin..I think the chances of winning a lottery are better than Nash or Michaels doing a job for someone.. This shit gets worse by the week then again why try to improve when you're the only game in town..  | ||||
| goatweed I've Got A Vagina With Teeth. G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Dragoon Battalion My friends call me Weed | posted on 06-14-2002 @ 9:50 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote::::ding ding ding ding :::. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner. I've been saying this for months now. The produst has been going stale for a while, and with noone to take any viewers away, why should they do anything short of whatever the hell they want? The problem is because of this, they're forcing their own fans away (myself included - I haven't actually watched a show in weeks). If Austin did walk and it's for real, good for him. If it's an angle, then these jack-offs better make it work or they will have totally taken a man who was once the "toughest SOB in the business' and made him look like the world's biggest douche.  You can reach me through AIM or email. I really don't give a fuck as to which one you use.
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| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 06-14-2002 @ 10:00 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | This split is a fucking disaster. End the split now. Get rid of the useless garbage on the roster, starting with the tag champs the ambiguosly gay duo, Billy and Chuck. Tommy Dreamer has become a circus act so dump him. Rikishi is useless. Justin Credible is going no where. Tag team Christian with lance Storm. Bring in Rey Mysterio and Nova and build up the cruiserweights with Hurrcane and jamie Knoble and tajiri. Get the titls off of Undertaker and fuck it give it to HHH and turn him heel. Let the King of the Ring winner face him, hopefully RVD. | ||||
| Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! | posted on 06-14-2002 @ 10:09 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | You know,people said in 1997 when word broke out about Bret Hart leaving, "No way Vince lets him go," and how did THAT move work out for the company. This is a smart move if it's real. The WWE has no real competition. All you people saying that Vince should be scared of Austin going to NWATNA must be kidding. If it was a regular TV show, I MIGHT buy that logic, but nobody is paying $10 a week ($40 a month) for a guy who wasn't having people buy PPVs for $30 a month to see him already on a much better product by comparison to what that abomination should be. And no, that ain't a compliment to the WWE product. I mean, the NWATNA is a joke, period, and their try at shock TV to get audiences in will show what we all already know, as Edge would say, "SHOCK TV WAS SOOOOOOOO 1998 in terms of wrestling." The NWATNA will fold like a cheap tent due to their idiotic strategy of how to sell their product to the viewer regardless of who they get, so bringing Austin in will just do what the first week of the XFL did to that football league. Have MORE people tune in to see what a joke it is to ensure that they won't ever come back. EVER. And, besides, Vince can't allow Austin to show people who is "above the product." The best thing about this, though, is that it will be the dawn of a new era of the WWE which they need desperately. It is hard to explain, unless I wrote a 20 page thesis, but in the wrestling business, the past has shown that the more you piss on what worked before, the more chance you will have of being successful. Wrestling is a business in need of constant change because it is so vulnerable to being a "fad." As a result, you see guys end up like Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels. Whether through luck (Shawn's injury and, maybe, The Rock with his movie career) or through well-calculated burials of legacies (Bret and, it looks like, Austin), the mega stars of yesterday have to be buried for the mega stars of tomorrow. Trust me, history tells you, this, combined with getting rid of some guys like Taker, HHH and definitely Hogan in the near future, will lead the WWE to it's next gold mine. Gauranteed. It looks stupid now. It will look ingenius tomorrow. Just ask Bret Hart. 1. 94 Wins and the NL East title 2. Hate the Braves with a passion. 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 4. Mets win the World Series This message was edited by Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! on 6-14-02 @ 10:27 AM | ||||
| Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! | posted on 06-14-2002 @ 10:47 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | A semi-update from 1wrestling.com: STEVE AUSTIN-WWE UPDATE by Dave Scherer Updated: 6/14/2002 10:37:41 AM As I am sure you have all heard by now, WWE released a statement on their website last night where they mentioned that Steve Austin left the company, without approval, after WrestleMania for two weeks before finally returning to work. They then stated, "On Monday, June 10, 2002, Stone Cold Steve Austin again failed to appear for the scheduled Raw event in Atlanta, instead choosing to return home to San Antonio without notice and without company approval." The story went on to say that they understand that Austin wasn't happy with his character's direction, but what he did was unprofessional. They finished with this line: "Therefore, Stone Cold Steve Austin is no longer an active member of WWE’s talent roster." So of course, the story hit the net like wildfire, including some reporting that Austin was "fired", which isn't true. WWE was very deliberate in their wording. Not being an "active member" of the talent roster is not fired. So, as my email box will attest, this has people questioning whether it's a work or a shoot. While you can never say for sure in the wrestling business, all signs point to this being a shoot, with everyone I talk to swearing that it is. Obviously, it raises suspicions when they make a storyline out of it they way that they have, but everyone I have talked to says it's a shoot. So, if it's a shoot, people are asking why Austin wasn't fired. That's simple, there's no reason to. Since Austin walked out on his deal, he's technically in breach, and that could be exactly why WWE.com reported on it. WWE can now, if they choose to, suspend his pay and retain his rights. That means that he remains with WWE and if they can work this out, he can just come back and they could play it like an angle. It also means that he doesn't become a free agent the week before NWA TNA debuts their new promotion. While it's improbable that Austin would have come to terms with TNA, you never know in this business and putting him out there as a free agent who could make a huge difference to a fledgling company was a gamble that WWE would have been stupid to take, even if they were to be 100% sure that they never want Austin back again (which we don't know is the case). So, Austin isn't fired, he's just not working right now. I have heard that on this weekend's Confidential show both Jim Ross and Vince McMahon have very stiff things to say about Austin, as they implied on Smackdown last night. Exactly what those things are, I am not sure, but apparently they are pretty bad, as word was going around the office today that this week's Confidential is a "must see" show. If this is the shoot that everyone says that it is, and they dog Austin, I have to question their integrity in doing so. I think that Austin was in the wrong for the way he left, for sure, but he has also done a lot for WWE. I hope we don't see Ross, and more so McMahon, bury the guy on TV. That just wouldn't be right. Obviously, the way that they presented the situation on their TV shows and on the website is one that should give them a good rating for this week's Confidential, and also lays the seeds for an angle down the road, if they choose to do it. I just hope that, if this is a shoot, whatever is said on the show doesn't drive a further wedge into the situation. The word making the rounds, shockingly enough, is that the Undertaker and HHH are more than ready and willing to fill the void left by both Austin and the Rock not being around. The plus side of this, as long as it's not a work, is that there are now opportunities available to younger guys and WWE is in a position to push them. Since they have slid recently, now is the time to rebuild. Now, they have their chance. 1. 94 Wins and the NL East title 2. Hate the Braves with a passion. 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 4. Mets win the World Series | ||||
| Beans Malone | posted on 06-14-2002 @ 11:20 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | Got to remember wrestling is a business and it's also all bullshit..Austin is a business man and so is Vince..Unfortunately Austin needs Vince more than Vince needs Austin.. Where does Austin go from here Japan he couldn't keep up the pace.. Maybe movies or TV even Hogan had a run at that. And how successful was that he's back in the ring going through the motions. Rock has a better chance at walking away from the ring and earning a living being a pretty boy:rolleyes: and all.. I've been following this shit for years I remember back when I was wrestling in Japan as the Giant Baba well anyway.. :rolleyes: This message was edited by Beans Malone on 6-14-02 @ 11:22 AM | ||||
| Beans Malone | posted on 06-14-2002 @ 11:20 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | I just double posted what a dick! This message was edited by Beans Malone on 6-14-02 @ 11:21 AM | ||||
| Se7en | posted on 06-14-2002 @ 9:14 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 01 | Ha ha ha, some of you people make me laugh. Austin does NOT need Vince. If he did, he wouldn't have left on Monday. If this is all a shoot, which it could very well be, Austin left on Monday without the intention of ever coming back. I know some of you love to suck Vince's cock, but Austin has MILLIONS in the bank now, and even if his career is over, I'm sure he'll still be able to make a few million more WITHOUT having to work in Japan or for Jeff Jarrett. Austin can retire and live comfortably for the rest of his life. Austin doesn't need the cash at all. If anything, it's Vince who still needs what star power Austin has left in him. You can't deny that in the current climate of sinking ratings, Austin is a proven top draw even today, and giving guys like Brock monster pushes (before they're ready) is NOT the answer to replacing a money-maker like Austin. Thus the situation, if I may mock McMahon a la Montreal 1997, is this: Austin didn't screw Austin, Vince screwed Vince. Trust me, history tells you, this, combined with getting rid of some guys like Taker, HHH and definitely Hogan in the near future, will lead the WWE to it's next gold mine. In theory, this would work. Regardless of how rabid the Hogan haters are, I honestly don't think Hogan will be around for much longer. But Taker will hold out to the bitter end, and out of misguided loyalty no one will fire him or pressure him to retire. And as for HHH? Mark my words, set them in stone: HHH will fucking OWN the company one of these days. Wait and see. He ain't going nowhere for YEARS. "Being a bastard WORKS." --Spider Jerusalem | ||||
| Beans Malone | posted on 06-15-2002 @ 7:56 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | quote: How's the weather on fantasy island Se7en..why do you think after the few so called career ending injuries (neck) etc Austin had he came back..Money and ego that's what drives these guys..And I don't know about you but you can never have enough money... | ||||
| Se7en | posted on 06-15-2002 @ 10:58 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 01 | How's the weather on fantasy island Se7en..why do you think after the few so called career ending injuries (neck) etc Austin had he came back..Money and ego that's what drives these guys..And I don't know about you but you can never have enough money... I don't deny that Austin has a huge ego, or that he loves the money he could make in the WWF. But I'm naive to believe that he returned from his injuries because, at the time, he still had a passion for the business. Sometime between October 2000 and now, it's been leeched from him by management. But I'm not delusional here. If this situation is a shoot....and it is in the sense that Austin DID walk out on RAW Monday....than he's breeched his contract. Which means, they don't have to pay DICK to him. Austin's smart enough to know that doing what he did on Monday meant he would, in all likelihood, be forgoing all future earnings with the promotion. They may not fire him, they may let him sit at home and do nothing, but he won't be making the dough he would if he was an active wrestler. Unless, of course, this is one hell of a brilliant, Machiavellian scheme by Steve to force a situation upon the WWF, hoping & planning that they will turn this into an angle, which will then propell him back into the spotlight and potentially as the number one guy again, thus making him tons of dough. In which case, Austin would have swerved ALL of us. But maybe I'm giving him too much credit. "Being a bastard WORKS." --Spider Jerusalem | ||||
| Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! | posted on 06-15-2002 @ 12:13 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | quote: Or until he inevitably breaks up with Stephanie, which is about as likely in this industry as the sun coming up tomorrow. You don't honestly believe they'll be fucking each other forever, do you? Have you paid NO attention to how real life love relationship end up between wrestling personalities? It's a miracle this has gone THIS long. And, when they do break up, it ain't gonna be, "Can we still be friends" either, if it follows the wrestling formula. And before you bring up, "No way HHH is stupid enough to break up with Steph," keep in mind Seph has nothing to gain professionally from doing him, so it can all come from her. Indeed, it's the bitches that will getchas. Don't worry, my dear HHH hating friends. When they break up, especially the way HHH has performed since his injury, it is truly Bret Hart City for him. And unlike Bret, EVERYONE will be in agreement he deserved it. I have the utmost confidence that HHH's days are more numbered than it appears. Have patience, my friends. For one day, it will all come crashing down. 1. 94 Wins and the NL East title 2. Hate the Braves with a passion. 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 4. Mets win the World Series | ||||
| vinviper | posted on 06-16-2002 @ 1:49 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Sep. 01 | Just a quick question on Terminology. What is a work and what is a Shoot? I remember Russo saying it on the air back in WCW but i forgot which word means what. :) The one the only, Vinny Va Voom | ||||
| Rev. Impactplayer | posted on 06-17-2002 @ 11:24 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jun. 02 | I would be pissed too if the roster on Raw looked like fuckin Nitro 5 yeras ago! What was Vince thinking having Austin fight Hall at Wrestlemania? This is not the quality of talent fans want to see him in. Why does HHH get a title shot? Why was Hogan, of all people, made a champion? If you look at it carefully, youd be pissed too and I dont blame Austin for walking out. | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 06-17-2002 @ 12:02 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Work = angle, storyline, part of the show. Shoot = real thing going on backstage and it makes its way onto TV. Worked shoot = Just like it says, a fake shoot.... seems like a shoot but it's actually a work.  | ||||
| krahzee | posted on 06-17-2002 @ 6:08 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | Gotta love some of the support for Austin here. It does not matter if Austin walked because he was unhappy with the product. It does not matter who the WW_ choses to replace Austin with. The bottom line is that he failed to show up for work on two different instances, without giving notice, or a reasonable excuse. That is a bullshit move. Not only does he fuck over Vince, but the writers, promotions, the wrestlers, and anyone else associated with WW_. If he pulled this shit in ANY other profession, he would have been fired the first time he walked. He acted immaturely, and he got punished as a result. End of story. Love or hate him, Vince is right. How the fuck do you trust this guy not to pull this shit the next time he is unhappy? You can't. Also, permitting this type of behavior can lead to future problems. Think about it. Suppose a guy like Edge or Brock hits big time and becomes the company's star. What is to stop him from thinking he can't pull the same shit everytime he is unhappy with the product? By not allowing Austin back the WW_ not only prevents him from doing this to them agian, but also protects themselves from any future main-eventer considering this as the appropriate action. Because Austin took his ball and went home, a whole card was shot to shit and had to be rewritten at the last moment. Eddie's program with him was scrapped, and we had to see Flair vs. McMahon again. Is that fair to anyone? | ||||
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