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Bush Winning the War on Terror - poncho - 06-23-2004
You didn't answer my question, Laz. All you did was try to put me in my place when I'm trying to get your opinion.
I feel like i''m in the middle of a "your mama's so fat..." contest or something.
Bush Winning the War on Terror - Rooner - 06-23-2004
He IS black ya know.
Bush Winning the War on Terror - Black Lazerus - 06-23-2004
Quote:Originally posted by poncho
You didn't answer my question, Laz. All you did was try to put me in my place when I'm trying to get your opinion.
I feel like i''m in the middle of a \"your mama's so fat...\" contest or something.
what the fuck was her question?
Bush Winning the War on Terror - Flock of Moosen - 06-23-2004
Colin Powell for President!
Bush Winning the War on Terror - Black Lazerus - 06-23-2004
General Fried Chicken.
Bush Winning the War on Terror - Keyser Soze - 06-23-2004
Quote:But what I never see from people like you, Laz is a solution to the problem. So tell me, what would you do?
well to start, i wouldn't be creating the greatest terrorist recruiting video osama bin laden wildest dreams could not have imagined.
Bush Winning the War on Terror - Black Lazerus - 06-23-2004
Quote:But what I never see from people like you, Laz is a solution to the problem. So tell me, what would you do?
Sorry I must have missed that in that convoluted mess you called a post.
First off we know that Afghanistan was responsible for the attacks on 9/11... I am not one of these people who believe that our own government did it.
We should have concentrated on Invading Afganistan and converting it into a democratic country.
We would have showed them the might of our army and showed the futility of attacking us.
Then we should have rebuilt the country and showed them how prosperous they would become if they cooperated with us and handled things in a respectful manner.
Bush Winning the War on Terror - Roop - 06-23-2004
Quote:Originally posted by Black Lazerus
Sorry I must have missed that in that convoluted mess you called a post.
First off we know that Afghanistan was responsible for the attacks on 9/11.
(WRONG! Afghanistan didn't attack us on 9/11. Al Quada attacked us)
We should have concentrated on Invading Afganistan and converting it into a democratic country.
We would have showed them the might of our army and showed the futility of attacking us.
Then we should have rebuilt the country and showed them how prosperous they would become if they cooperated with us and handled things in a respectful manner.
(no shit shelock, this is what we're doing in the middle east!)
The Afghan people were sidelined on all of this. They weren't supporting terror, their govt, run by a select few were.
The notion that we go in all guns blazing was the worst answer--a waste of resources. The President was right to go in and operate a selective proxy-special forces war, because the enemy wasn't a govt and its people, it was a few random thugs entrenched in power and operating in the shadows. Just as it had been reported in November 2001, it's going to be more Rambo then Guns of Navarone, therefore the "funding the war in Iraq" is not really an issue. It's all detective work and special ops in Afghanistan now.
Afghanistan was were the attack against terror took place first because the Taliban, a fundamentalist govt. is/was involved in hiding Usama Bin Laden and supporting, harboring and recruiting of islamic terror cells.
Usama Bin Laden has not been found in Afganhistan. So you want to continue with this bull about the unjustified reasons of war with Iraq? We didn't find Bin Laden in Afghanistan, we haven't found the oh so important WMD's. I guess we had no justification to invade either country huh?
Our reasons to go to war with Iraq was because in the wake of 9/11, previous intellegence had been going around that Saddam had been trying to re-start a nuclear program (originally thwarted in '82 by Israel) and was also harboring terror cells with intent to use chemical weapons against US interests (Israel, Kuwait, as well as other OPEC nations, and the US itself). Despite several attempts asking the UN to cooperate with us in stopping a bad situation from getting worse, the UN failed to support us. Why? Oil. The UN oil for food program instituted in 1996 by the UN as a humanitarian effort was abused by influential UN countries such as France, Germany and Russia as well as other OPEC nations among others. These countries were violating sanctions against Iraq and the guidlines of this UN oil-for-food program itself. The profits that was "supposed" to help feed the people was being used by Saddam's regime to re-build military and replenish their arsenal. As well as fund the nuclear research and Saddam's hopes to obtain a nuclear weapon.
You simply cannot allow a madman leader of a military dictatorship to have a weapon of mass destruction especially in the wake of 9/11. Therefore...we have the justification to go to war. Better to do it now instead of 10 yrs from now when Sadaam has his Russian or Korean rocket already in its silo.
What dragged us into this war? UN failures post Gulf War, failures to the people of Iraq.
This whole nonsense about a war over oil? Totally true... but guess what!?! The UN is the only defending oil! OPEC nations around that region where buying up Iraqi oil production for little and selling it for their own profit, in turn they would not side with the US and its allies efforts to invade Iraq. The US and allies made sure that they would safeguard the oil production facilities first. Not for our gain. For the people of Iraq's gain, it's economy depends on it. It is its only resource. It's all they have. When we took control of the Iraqi oil, all the nations that were abusing the food-for-oil as well as the opec nations getting oil for pennies and turning it for huge profit all took a mighty economic blow. How do they respond? OPEC nations respond with slowing down production and driving the price of oil up. The UN responds with indifference over the war in Iraq.
Also, Saddam held France and Russia's involvement in black market oil deals against them. Saddam would have made sure that if these two countries especially France was approved of the Iraq invasion the French gov't (Chirac) would be exposed, and the loss of power as well as its standing in the EU and world community was far too great.
Bush Winning the War on Terror - Black Lazerus - 06-23-2004
Quote:Originally posted by Roop
[quote]Originally posted by Black Lazerus
Sorry I must have missed that in that convoluted mess you called a post.
First off we know that Afghanistan was responsible for the attacks on 9/11.
(WRONG! Afghanistan didn't attack us on 9/11. Al Quada attacked us)
did i miss something
BUT
The Afghan people were sidelined on all of this. They weren't supporting terror, their govt, run by a select few were.
is this not the same thing we are dealing with in IRAQ.... According to Bush and his people Saddam was the Problem not the people.
Quote:We should have concentrated on Invading Afghanistan and converting it into a democratic country.
We would have showed them the might of our army and showed the futility of attacking us.
Then we should have rebuilt the country and showed them how prosperous they would become if they cooperated with us and handled things in a respectful manner.
(no shit Sherlock, this is what we're doing in the middle east!)
You are a fucking waste of my time... do you not understand that middle east as a whole did not attack us.
Afghanistan attacked us, I don't care if not everyone believed in it or not but their government attacked us.
Quote:Our reasons to go to war with Iraq was because in the wake of 9/11, previous intelligence had been going around that Saddam had been trying to re-start a nuclear program (originally thwarted in '82 by Israel) and was also harboring terror cells with intent to use chemical weapons against US interests (Israel, Kuwait, as well as other OPEC nations, and the US itself).
Sounds like the yellow cake story, from Africa.
I would love to find out the source of that in accurate piece of bullshit you posted. I am sure it's from an unbiased source.
BTW
Saddam, bin Laden were opponents
June 23, 2004
IT IS incredible that after the report of a bipartisan commission, after reports from the CIA and FBI, and even after President Bush's own televised admission to the contrary, Cheney-Bush supporters uphold the inference that Saddam Hussein was somehow responsible for Sept. 11 ("Sept. 11 chair defines Iraq, Qaeda contact" Page A1, June 21).
http:// http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/letters/articles/2004/06/23/saddam_bin_laden_were_opponents/
Bush Winning the War on Terror - Sloats - 06-23-2004
Can't you just be happy that our government is killing people in other countries and has stopped killing the blacks in this country?