07-30-2003, 09:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by FollowThisLogic
You know, 420, for someone who is a minority, you seem to have a lot of ideas that perpetuate hatred for people who are different.
The idea of, \"well, if the blacks can have a school, the gays should be able to have one\", and any other damn group that wants one..... ALL of it is wrong, including blacks. Affirmative action is wrong as well. Having to fill a quota of minorities, even if they are less qualified than other applicants, is fucking wrong and counter-productive.
Stay on target here, FTL. I'm not about to dive into the pros & cons of AA with you but I will say this: For the time being, under the current racial climate of this country, it is a necessary policy that is needed. Should it be eradicated? Of course but only when you can assure me that all peoples are treated equally in all geographic regions of this country.
Quote:And yes, I'm saying that an all-black college is wrong. Why is it wrong? Special privileges. It's standing up and yelling, \"we're different and we're proud of it\"..... fine, be as proud as you want, but by wanting so desperately to make sure EVERYONE knows you're different, you're asking for different treatment.
yes, blacks and other minorities do want "different" treatment - stuff like "slavery" just didn't go over too well with us colored folk.
You know, FTL, you claim its special privilages that blacks have at these colleges well, what about the Harvards and Yales of the world? Huh? What about the Seton Halls (where I attended briefly) of the world where the majority of the black students are athletes on sports scholarships?
noooooo...nobody thinks about how many places are populated by a majority of non-colored people.
And we also forget how some in power would like to KEEP it that way.
Quote:Not being able to accept that we're all just fuckin PEOPLE, is what makes it impossible for this shit to go away.
True.
Funny though, its always the white folk, who RARELY felt the sting of bigotry, that make that proclamation - "hey, we're all humans".
And you know what FTL, I DO wish none of these issues of racism existed but they DO. And things like AA are needed during these times to ensure that we never go back to a time where there are seperate water fountains and the like.
Now, people who choose to go to a gay school...how is that "special privilages"? Do they automatically pass thier grade level after proving to be authentically gay? No, they don't. They have to learn like the rest of us. All I'm defending is that if certain people want to go to a certain school then they should be allowed to do so. They should have a choice.
FTL - I'm not trying to make you to be the embodiment of an entire race of people but when people of non-colored complexion bitch that its a "double standard" or its "not right" well, look at it from the OTHER side of the fence.
(and please understand that what I'm about to say is NOT a personal attack at ANY of you "white folk", ok? Racism heats me up...just bare with me, ok?)
"You people" have a hold on most of the major corporations. Not one black man has been president. Most major positions in the military and our government - ran and held by "you people". Heterosexual white males run this country and some of those straight white men LIKE the way things are currently; The minorities are good enough to work the feilds or the manufacturing plants but oh, no no...no CEOs for you!
Things are beter today for all of us (gays, blacks, hispanics, etc...) than it was 35 years ago but don't try to tell me that its all behind us - the racism, the bigotry, the struggle to keep the power where it currently lies and to spread to EVERYONE who should have a piece of that power...that struggle continues.
A school for gays is not a step backward at all - it just says:
"hey, faggots, come and learn here if you want to but don't forget, eventually, back out into the real world you'll go".
Add FTL, as much as we're ALL HUMAN, we ARE different and these differences should be accepted and CELEBRATED.
Not discounted, ignored and/or "tolerated".
(let the record show that I think these kinds of discussions are necessary for the advancement of our entire species but MAN do they get me fired up.)