Same-sex marriages

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Pandoras Box opening? Sure, let it - if it means that gays will eventually become recognized as equals to heterosexuals in all aspects - GOOD.

So we will let lesbian nazi hookers be abducted by UFOs and forced into weight loss centers?

Seriously though I'll stand behind (uhh err) gay folk in their fight for Civil Unions. Something stops me from putting the label of Marriage on it. Does it make it anything less to not be called marriage? Maybe in the eyes of wacked out religious types. But not to me.

I walked out of my church when the priest stood up there and gave a politically driven homily (which had nothing to do with the scripture he just read but more to do with the current events of the day a few years ago) about how gays should not be allowed to recieve benefits through their employer. And I haven't been back to that particular building in a while (except for my grandmother's funeral).

It's all sematics and I think that if gay people would take civil unions (if given to them) and call it a day without having to have the whole marriage label almost everyone will be happy.

There's always a segment of the population who won't be pleased but fuck them they aren't the majority.

Essentially today if the parents of a gay person dont agree with his/her lifestyle they reserve the right to deny his/her partner into a hospital to visit if the son/daughter were say in a horrible accident.

This is not right but you don't necessarily need a marriage to resolve this problem and the many other problems they face.

They shouldn't expect to share all the same luxuries as heterosexuals do. If they want to go adopt a child they should expect to encounter some resistence from agencies. This is life. Furthermore, they should not be able to file discrimination suits against these agencies. That's where this will end up. Just wait and see. They simply should be ready for it and understand that there are agencies out there that will help them. Others will lock them out.

[Topper Harley]

Originally posted by Crackle
OK, give gays marriage. Married by a judge or a clerk. Will that be good enough.

That's an issue that is relevent to heterosexuals as well. I'm protestant and my wife is jewish. We needed a justice of the peace to do the ceremony because most churches and temples wouldn't do the ceremony. Not a big deal to me because in the end the result is the same.

[Topper Harley]

Originally posted by header
They shouldn't expect to share all the same luxuries as heterosexuals do.

Maybe not a first, but eventually. I think it is dangerous to open the floodgates to any issue. Progress should be taken in measured steps, but taken nonetheless.

[Black Lazerus]

I would join this argument but I had a 9 page one about this issue... on Cdih

If you were a minority you would feel where the gays are coming from.
you have to remember that up until about 30 years ago interracial marriage was not legal.
The people made those laws are the same ones that are trying to prevent the gays from having a legally binding marriage..

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Originally posted by Topper Harley

Originally posted by header
They shouldn't expect to share all the same luxuries as heterosexuals do.

Maybe not a first, but eventually. I think it is dangerous to open the floodgates to any issue. Progress should be taken in measured steps, but taken nonetheless.

That's all I'm saying honestly. I wish my church would tolerate homosexuality. It would make me feel like less of an asshole when I have to sit there and listen to some of this bs. Point is they don't. But who knows they might some day. People ask why I don't change my religion and get away from catholocism since I don't agree with a lot of the political stuff they spew.

I don't because it is what I was brought up in. I have a special connection to the somber pipe organ music. I enjoy a good sunday of mourning christ's death. I know it's not the true intent of christianity to mourn christ's death however to celebrate his life. Just the same I understand this and it makes me feel like I'm smarter than everyone there. This makes me feel good. Self serving and unchristianlike I know but the simple fact that I understand that it is self serving for me to feel this way makes it Okay. Right?

Went to a wedding at a methodist church. It was cool laid back not as dreary. But their excitement about the liturgy kind of freaks me out. My excitement about christianity is internal. I don't like to freak people out and push the bible on people. That's just me.

I'll stay in catholocism and try to teach my son where our church is right and wrong. And moreover that no one religion has it all right but for me the importance is to believe in something.

If believing in something goes against any of your believes or positions please note I don't intend to offend. Just explaining how an almost 26 year old can share such 'antiquated' beliefs. and the fact that they aren't really bigoted and antiquated after all. aint2:

[Topper Harley]

Originally posted by header
I'll stay in catholocism and try to teach my son where our church is right and wrong.

exactly

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Originally posted by Black Lazerus
I would join this argument but I had a 9 page one about this issue... on Cdih

If you were a minority you would feel where the gays are coming from.
you have to remember that up until about 30 years ago interracial marriage was not legal.
The people made those laws are the same ones that are trying to prevent the gays from having a legally binding marriage..

There is a push to change statutory rape laws as the laws are antiquated and the idea was simply to stop kids from having kids out of wedlock rather getting married before having children.

Should these laws be over turned? Should an 18 or 19 year old be able to have consensual sex with a 13 or 14 year old and not get in trouble for it?

The same people made that law.

I know it's an outlandish comparison that isn't really comparible but what I am trying to get across is that they want it all now or nothing. If they take it gradually it will allow time to work out the kinks in laws and still be able to disallow all other factions of folks from marrying. Like polygamist incestuous pedophiles. Or some guy that wants to marry his dog.

Take it slow. Let things get worked out.

[diceisgod]

Faggots don't deserve tax breaks. Period. Go ahead and get married. Fine. But NO tax breaks. They are for procreators not faggots. That is all.

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I knew you'd come through.

[Black Lazerus]

Originally posted by header

Originally posted by Black Lazerus
I would join this argument but I had a 9 page one about this issue... on Cdih

If you were a minority you would feel where the gays are coming from.
you have to remember that up until about 30 years ago interracial marriage was not legal.
The people made those laws are the same ones that are trying to prevent the gays from having a legally binding marriage..

There is a push to change statutory rape laws as the laws are antiquated and the idea was simply to stop kids from having kids out of wedlock rather getting married before having children.

Should these laws be over turned? Should an 18 or 19 year old be able to have consensual sex with a 13 or 14 year old and not get in trouble for it?

The same people made that law.

I know it's an outlandish comparison that isn't really comparible but what I am trying to get across is that they want it all now or nothing. If they take it gradually it will allow time to work out the kinks in laws and still be able to disallow all other factions of folks from marrying. Like polygamist incestuous pedophiles. Or some guy that wants to marry his dog.

Take it slow. Let things get worked out.

I can understand your pointpoligamy is in the same class as pedafilia or homosexuality it is part of several religions in the united states... Islam, and Mormans to name 2 but they can't practice that aspect here.