All-gay school...

[Toronto Hottie]

See, while I disagree with 420, I'm not with you there either FTL.

These actions have been put in place by society to rectify the years of injustice and bring us to a level playing field. To a point, I say again - TO A POINT - those formerly repressed should be given more consideration until we reach somewhat of a more level playing field in society.

My point is only that as society moves to embrace all, those being embraced yet AGAIN go out of their retarded fucking way to RE-ISOLATE themselves.

Utter bullshit.

[Bloody Anus]

How the fuck can you get upset at the fact that gays are being picked on? Human beings have and always will dislike, mock, bully, and mistreat people that are different than them... Indians, niggers, women, retards, jews, japs, midgets, arabs, fat people...

How many of those groups have actively attempted to segregate themselves in their efforts to be accepted/liked/tolerated/treated as equals? Niggers were hanged, shot, tarred and feathered, whipped .. they were FUCKING SLAVES FOR FUCK'S SAKE! And they didn't overcome this by creating nigger schools or nigger camps or nigger-only restaurants... because that's NOT HOW IT FUCKING WORKS.


And how the fuck can you be for segregation in schools AND for affirmative action?? So in other words it's okay for a fag to want to isolate himself from the "hetero" world, but it's not okay for an employer to want to isolate himself from the "homo" world? Why exactly is one more acceptable than the other?

[Sloats]

I don't let my sexual history or preferences publically known. I personally hate it when anyone talks about who or what they banged.

[PSYCHOMARKFAN]

Aren't we just getting off the subject JUST A TAD?! I mean, why don't we just join hands and sing "We are the world" for Christ's sake?? Isn't the main subject of this thread the validity of a "gay" high school and not someone's political agenda?

Stay on the subject, can we?! :fire::fire:

[60FeetUnderWater]

Originally posted by FollowThisLogic

stuff like \"slavery\" just didn't go over too well with us colored folk.

See, this is fucked up. YOU weren't exactly plucked from a cotton field, and neither was anyone you've ever known in your life. Matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if no one you've ever known, ever knew anyone who had.

Again though, you're not thinking forward. You're thinking only about "well, I'm on the shit end of the stick now". You're not thinking of how it can be fixed, you're only thinking of how it's bad now.

Oh, believe me, I am NOT one of those that walk around expecting handouts just because I am of a particular race.

One must WORK to be successful.

But you can't be so blind as to suggest that AA isn't needed at all during these times.

Shit man, civil rights were awarded to non coloreds less than 60 years ago!
60 years!!! That is less than a full generation of a family.

Gays having ONE school is not "segregation". Christ, again, the school does not ban heterosexuals so it ISN'T segregation!!!!

Look at it this way- you build a store and there are only ramps to the doors and NO steps - does that mean you are only allowing wheelchair invalids in your store and not people who can walk?? No, it does not.

We do not live in a perfect world and yes things need to change. I am NOT for reparations. I am NOT for building a slew of schools where all gays must attend.

I am merely saying that ONE school for homosexuals does NOT mean that all gays are going backwards.

There are more ways than one to advance a society. Just because gays have tv shows catered to them does not mean that they are "in the clear" from mistreatment and/or harrassment.

My point is, there's so much complaining about repression and shit, and not enough being done that will really fix it. And the stuff that is being done with the intention of fixing it, is only making things fucking WORSE.

If you FTL have THE answers to all of this racism bullshit then please, let me hear it.

Seriously. Sincerely.

I interviewed for a job yesterday. There was an EOE form for me to sign, along with some other stuff. Now, if I were to find out that I was much more qualified than a minority candidate for the job, but he got it because he was a minority and they had to do it, don't you think I'd be pretty fucking pissed off? Do you think I'd shrug it off and say \"oh, well 400 years of slavery, I guess he deserved it\". <b>FUCK NO! That is BULLSHIT!</b>

You're right, that would be bullshit. I can't disagree with that.

but what exactly does your lil experience there have to do with the notion of gays having ONE school for themselves?

Are you saying thaat some straight students will be denied an education because they are NOT gay?

[Bloody Anus]

Did you even read the article?

America's first publicly run high school for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender students

how does this imply that heterosexuals are welcome?

\"This school will be a model for the country and possibly the world.\"

how does this imply that there's only going to be ONE school?



And by this logic,

some of the kids who are gays and lesbians have been constantly harassed and beaten in other schools and this lets them get an education without having to worry,\" Mayor Michael Bloomberg told reporters

• fat kids
  short kids
  kids that wear glasses
  kids with a big nose
  muslim kids
  midget kids
  girls with no tits, and
  kids in wheelchairs
  

should be entitled to their own schools.

[The Brain]

And by this logic,

quote:
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some of the kids who are gays and lesbians have been constantly harassed and beaten in other schools and this lets them get an education without having to worry,\" Mayor Michael Bloomberg told reporters
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fat kids
short kids
kids that wear glasses
kids with a big nose
muslim kids
midget kids
girls with no tits, and
kids in wheelchairs


should be entitled to their own schools.

The sweet irony of this school is that these kids, who at least all share the commoness of homosexuality, will probably still divide themselves further into popular cliques, nerd cliques, etc.-- and pick on each other.

It's what all kids go through, regardless of what you try to do. Even if they come together under the guise of unity and sameness, I guarantee they will start finding the differences in each other as a means of further identifying and individualizing themselves.

The only difference now is that they won't have hetero kids picking on them. Whoop dee do.

[60FeetUnderWater]

how does this imply that heterosexuals are welcome?

and where does it imply that heterosexuals are not welcome?

"half empty/half full?" kind of argument here perhaps? However, I see no where in print where it said "heterosexuals are not allowed here."

how does this imply that there's only going to be ONE school?

maybe that model goes deeper than just "have a gay school"?

maybe it revolutionizes the education system? who knows? I don't know man, I'm just saying.

what is the big deal?

As long as it a place of positivity and not an anti-hetero group. Let me say that again...in case I didn't before.

And by this logic,

• fat kids
  short kids
  kids that wear glasses
  kids with a big nose
  muslim kids
  midget kids
  girls with no tits, and
  kids in wheelchairs
  

should be entitled to their own schools.

well there's...

fat kids camps...

stilettos...

contact lens...

synagogues...

Mecca...

the circus...

plastic surgery...

and,

an outlet like <a href=http://www.wsusa.org/wsusa/>this.</a>

[Toronto Hottie]

420: I'm going to be a little abrupt here, and ask a question.

I'd have to say, first, that your argument reminds me of Martin Luther King. A monumental man, with a point in his time, but we're in a different time now my friend.

Let it go.

The arguments are so damned outdated they're almost difficult to respond to.

Answer me this: Does it make sense to you, that IF a society makes movements to accept a faith/sex/colour/SEXUAL PREFERANCE/hair colour, any of those said groups would be sensible in taking steps to once again isolate themselves?????????????

[The Brain]

Does it make sense to you, that IF a society makes movements to accept a faith/sex/colour/SEXUAL PREFERANCE/hair colour, any of those said groups would be sensible in taking steps to once again isolate themselves?????????????

If I could interject quickly.

I want to remind you that we-- and I mean Americans, you Canadians are different -- live in a country where ethnicities are still placed in front of the word "American" to denote what we are. We have African-Americans, Chinese-Americans, and so on.

I can hop on the subway and head to Spanish Harlem, Little Italy, or Chinatown.

We celebrate the birth of our nation as a whole, but at the same time hold acknowledgements such as Black History Month and the Puerto Rican Day Parade.

Our "melting pot" ideal is great in theory, but in practice it does not work as well as we want it to. This society still very much embraces the <i>individual</i>, and the individuals right to be known as a unique identity, not as a faceless cog in some multi-colored, multi-cultural machine.

<b>EDIT</b>:

Here's a good analogy: picture a cake mix. You throw in the powder, a couple eggs, milk, sugar, hell even some chocolate, and you stir and blend it until all the indivdual ingredients are indistinguishable from each other. That is the ideal.

What this country so badly wants to do is blend all the ingredients together, but <i>still let you identify where the eggs are, and the milk, and chocolate, and sugar</i>, and that is simply not feasible.