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- Sir O - 04-29-2004
Quote:In eight years, under Clinton, we had people stop Millenium bomb plots, got more money for intelligence, good things. Wasn't enough though. Had embassies and a ship attacked, had a bomb go off in the WTC, had Oklahoma City building blown up.
Look, do you blame the Mayor of NYC for all the murders that happen in New York? I would hope not, because here's the deal - there are people in New York who want to kill other people, just like there are terrorists who want to kill Americans. To blame Clinton for the Cole or whatever is like blaming Guiliani or McGovern for murders in Harlem.
Quote:9/11 happens. Bad thing. Congress wakes up, administration wakes up.
And ADOPTED ALL THE PLANS THAT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION LAID OUT FOR THEM, BUT WERE IGNORED IN THE FIRST EIGHT MONTHS OF BUSH'S TERM!!! Read the Hart-Rudman report. It was there, right when they entered office, but they ignored it until it was too late.
Quote:Taliban is gone.You sure?
Quote:Saddam is gone.And his Weapons of Mass Destruction are no longer a threat to America. God bless.
Quote:Lybia has seen the light.No. Qadafi is so full of shit, it's amazing people take him for his word.
"We're dismantling our weapons programs."
Like hell you are.
Ever play poker? Ever see a bluff?
Quote:Pakistan's helped out with terrorists.This is a joke, right. What did the Pakistani government have to say when the relationship between Abdul Kahn and Kim Jong Il was discovered?
A pardon?
No, but Pakistan is our ally, surley they would no do such a thing!!
Think again.
In the meantime, I've still got some elephant repellant for sale. I haven't been attacked by an elephant in all the years I've been using it, so it obviously works!!!
- The Jays - 04-29-2004
Quote:Look, do you blame the Mayor of NYC for all the murders that happen in New York? I would hope not, because here's the deal - there are people in New York who want to kill other people, just like there are terrorists who want to kill Americans. To blame Clinton for the Cole or whatever is like blaming Guiliani or McGovern for murders in Harlem.
And yet you wanna blame Bush for 9/11.
Quote:This is a joke, right. What did the Pakistani government have to say when the relationship between Abdul Kahn and Kim Jong Il was discovered?
A pardon?
No, but Pakistan is our ally, surley they would no do such a thing!!
Think again.
In the meantime, I've still got some elephant repellant for sale. I haven't been attacked by an elephant in all the years I've been using it, so it obviously works!!!
Aren't there people at the Pakistan border assisting our guys find Osama?
Quote:And ADOPTED ALL THE PLANS THAT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION LAID OUT FOR THEM, BUT WERE IGNORED IN THE FIRST EIGHT MONTHS OF BUSH'S TERM!!! Read the Hart-Rudman report. It was there, right when they entered office, but they ignored it until it was too late.
Which is why Clinton needs to point this stuff out. If no one knows this stuff, they'll know once he testifies. And then that's the lynchpin. Terror threat was there, they had the plans in place for the administration, Bush was too late on it. 9/11 commission done with.
- Sir O - 04-29-2004
Quote:And yet you wanna blame Bush for 9/11.No, I blame the motherfuckers who flew the planes and bin Laden and al-Qaeda.
I blame Bush for not heeding the warnings. Just one of the many reasons why I think he's a horrible president - he ignored the warnings and recommendations provided by the previous administration.
- The Jays - 04-29-2004
Ya gotta lighten up. We've got other forums here and such. And ya gotta stop responding to what I post, when you know I'll just ignore, distort and frustrate you futher. Look at me, I write mindless stoner semi-fictional drivel as a past time, for christs sake.
- Ken'sPen - 04-29-2004
I just heard that Bush and Cheney will be meeting the commission in the oval office,
now they want home field advantage too!
so they will set up some chairs in the office,
probably won't give them desks to write on...
what a sham!
- Keyser Soze - 04-29-2004
sir o just totally owned anyone who remotely supports bush.
- Ken'sPen - 04-29-2004
Bush's perfomance at the elementary school photo op,
while our buildings burned and citizens died,
should preclude him from EVER holding any position of leadership again.
- Goatweed - 04-29-2004
Ken'sPen Wrote:Bush's perfomance at the elementary school photo op,you know, this has always bothered me. Why did he not just cut the appearance off and get right to work an assesing the situation? Maybe I'm thinking too Hollywood, but most times when the shit hits the fan the President stops whatever he's doing to deal with it.
while our buildings burned and citizens died,
should preclude him from EVER holding any position of leadership again.
- Ken'sPen - 04-29-2004
He went in AFTER the first plane hit,
He continued reading and chatting with the students AFTER he got word of the second attack, when it was clear we were under attack,
THEN
he finished up with the kiddies, and did a meet and greet photo op with some teachers and officials,
it's shameful.
It was the most intense moments for a president since the Cuba Missle Crisis,
and he did......... NOTHING.
- Keyser Soze - 04-29-2004
what is really hollywood is how he felt he had to put on fake bravado in that classroom instead of getting down to business.
- Gooch - 04-29-2004
He was really into that story he was reading.
- Ken'sPen - 04-29-2004
Bush was determined to read the whole thing,
so he wouldn't get tripped up about lying about reading a book again.
- Gooch - 04-29-2004
Danny and the Dinosaur was next, and he really wanted that gold star
- Ken'sPen - 04-29-2004
Well Danny dies at the end,
and becomes fossil fuel,
so it had a good ending.
- crx girl - 04-29-2004
so now he's interrupting my soap to tell us he enjoyed the meeting.
- crx girl - 04-29-2004
"i came away good about the session" he just said that. for real.
- Gooch - 04-29-2004
these last few years truly have been a blight on the American Presidency.
- Ken'sPen - 04-29-2004
Randi Rhodes played a clip yesterday of him speaking about the upcoming meeting.
He sounded like a babbling moron.
I hope the tape was doctored, because if that was unedited..........
steve martin "some people have a way with words, other people...... ahhhhhhh, ...... not have way".
- Keyser Soze - 04-29-2004
HEY JUST CAUSE HE DONT SPEAK GOOD DONT MEAN HE CANT RUN A COUNTRY!
- The Jays - 04-30-2004
Quote:Foiling millennium attack was mostly luck
Plot to bomb LAX thwarted despite
lack of warning
By Lisa Myers
Senior investigative correspondent
NBC News
Updated: 7:26 p.m. ET April 29, 2004It's almost become an article of faith at the 9/11 commission hearings that high-level meetings in Washington helped stop a terrorist attack at the Los Angeles airport just before the turn of the millennium. But the inside-the-Beltway gospel just isn't true.
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NBC News went back to the customs agent who actually stopped an al-Qaida terrorist from entering the United States in 1999, and she says it was her gut instincts — not meetings in Washington — that helped her make the arrest.
In December of 1999, upon arriving on a ferry from Canada, al-Qaida operative Ahmed Ressam was arrested with a trunk full of explosives. His plan: to blow up Los Angeles International Airport.
Some members of the 9/11 commission now argue that al-Qaida’s plot was foiled because of almost frenetic White House meetings that month, keeping the bureaucracy on its toes.
On April 13, 2004, 9/11 commission member Timothy Roemer said, “The Clinton administration has a great deal of success during this time period. My theory is, because of this small group that is meeting at the top levels of government.”
NBC News decided to take a close look at what happened four years ago. Was the bomb plot foiled by an alert White House or by an alert agent on the front lines?
“His story didn’t make sense to me,” said customs inspector Diana Dean. Now retired, Dean was working the border that night. On a hunch something wasn’t quite right, she questioned Ressam and asked him to pop his trunk. Inside were big bags of white powder that were first thought to be drugs.
But that night, drug tests came back negative. When investigators looked further, they found timers and realized the powder was explosives.
Dean said, “My heart dropped right into my toes when I realized what it was.”
She says no one had told her anything about being on alert for terrorists.
“I don’t recall any specific threats," she added. "I don’t recall anybody saying watch for terrorists.”
Customs officials confirm that no alert had gone out to the field.
The Clinton administration was at battle stations during this period, and that extraordinary effort helped foil al-Qaida plots against Americans in Jordan. But there’s simply no evidence that meetings in Washington stopped the planned attack on American soil.
In fact, senior counterterror officials attribute catching Ressam to good training and sheer luck.
As for Dean, she received an award and today shrugs off revisionist history in Washington, noting that success has many fathers.