Quote:i've posted several facts to refute what you are saying, point by point.

Quote:just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they're wrong

Quote:I am not contributing to the National Slavery Association.

Quote:General Lee Butler, recently retired. He was head of the Strategic Command at the highest nuclear agency under Clinton, STRATCOM. He wrote a couple of years ago that it?s dangerous in the extreme that in the cauldron of animosities that we call the Middle East, one nation has armed itself, ostensibly with stockpiles of nuclear weapons in the hundreds, and that inspires other nations to do so as well, and also to develop other weapons of mass destruction as a deterrent, which is highly combustible and can lead to very dangerous outcomes. All of this is still more dangerous when the sponsor of that one nation is regarded generally in the world as a rogue state, which is unpredictable and out of control, irrational and vindictive, and insists on portraying itself in that fashion. In fact, the Strategic Command under Clinton has, in its highest level pronouncement, advised that the United States should maintain a national persona, as they call it, of being irrational and vindictive and out of control so that the rest of the world will be frightened. And they are. And the U.S. should also rely on nuclear weapons as the core of its strategy, including the right of first use against non-nuclear states, including those that have signed the Non-Proliferation treaty. Those proposals have been built into presidential directives, Clinton-era presidential directives, that don?t make much noise around here, but it is understood in the world, which is naturally impelled to respond by developing weapons of mass destruction of its own in self defense. But these are prospects that are indeed recognized by U.S. intelligence and high level U.S. analysts. About two years ago, Harvard professor Samuel Huntington wrote an article in a very prestigious journal, Foreign Affairs, in which he pointed out that for much of the world, he indicated most of the world, the United States is considered a dangerous rogue state, and the main threat to their national existence. And it?s not surprising, if you look at what happens in the world from outside the framework of the U.S. indoctrination system. That?s very plausible even from documents, and certainly from actions, and much of the world does see it that way, and that adds to the severe dangers of the situation.

Quote:i seem to have developed a sudden case of temporary ignorance, must have caught it from you

Quote:Didn't the french give us the Statue of Liberty?

Quote:they also gave us Syphilis and Gonorrhea.

Quote:If you want to make a point, what good has come out of France and Germany???

Quote:without french aid, america would not have won the revolution. lafayette(sp?) brought experienced troops to help the colonists, and better training methods. also, the presence of french ships was one of the main reasons for cornwallas's surrender at saratoga

Quote:gernmany made some of the first cars, musical geniouses, and bismarkian politics kept europe peacful for almost the entire second half of the 19th century

Quote:Didn't the french give us the Statue of Liberty?

Quote:And who does Germany have? David Hasselhof?

Quote:Actually Ford I thought made the first car.