02-11-2005, 01:59 AM
Sir O Wrote:From your citing of Buhs's inclusion of N. Korea in the "Axis of Evil" speech and the fact that you lay more blame on Bush than Clinton.Quote:Unless you are really naive enough to believe N. Korea was so much more advanced than anyone could imagine as to develop 8-10 nuclear weapons since 2000, just because of Bush.
WHAT THE FUCK??? They've been working on nukes for the longest time, no shit. Decades. Where did I say anything that even hinted at what you're saying?
I'll give you this, though. Not many "leftists" or whatever you label yourself would admit Clinton was anything other than a saint.
But I don't think it's "mostly Bush's fault", in any way.
Obviously coddling and sending aide to someone who was obviously developing nukes during a supposed global de-escalation would be the exact thing opponenets would villanize the US for, if god forbid KJI would've developed and used them.
I believe the reason N. Korea wanted uni-latteral talks with the US was because they fear the current players in the multi-latteral talks. That being China, of course.
So the reason they asked for uni-latteral talks with the US alone was because Clinton gave them an impression that the US was soft and easily manipulated as long as we got the slightest result... no matter how meaningless.
My point.
Uni-latteral talks with the US would allow N. Korea to continue to develop nukes while they blew smoke up our ass.
But now, with China breathing down they're neck. They're not so comfortable.
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