02-28-2003, 08:40 PM
You lured me out of my hiatus with this one you bastard, you know I can't resist the bait when it's boxing.
I discussed this a while ago in the info forum. Jones is a favorite in the casual boxing fans eyes but not in the boxing worlds eyes. Yes Jones is the most gifted fighter in the game today. Jones has superb hand speed, foot speed, ring smarts, and a heavy duty chin (jones has only been knocked down once on an off balance shot).
Ruiz is called "the quiet man" for a reason, he never gets his just due cause of his embarassing loss to David Tua, in which Ruiz was KO'ed in 19 seconds of the 1st round back in 1996. Since then Ruiz has become a different fighter, he stood no chance against Holyfield but officially beat him once and unofficially beat him twice cause he got a raw deal in the 1st fight. Ruiz was then supposed to lose to Kirk Johnson but even though the fight was sloppy Ruiz showed an excellent chin and better in ring ability.
Jones actually has no added weight, he fights at 175 but he enters the ring usually at 183-187 pounds. He weighed in for the fight at 193, so he didn't add on much weight.The only problem here is that jones never carried over his enormous power to light heavyweight, from middleweight. He still bangs hard for a light heavyweight cause he punches in bunches, or accumilates punishment on his opponent.
Jones will not KO Ruiz if he does that will be a 1 in a million shot. Ruiz has taken this fight with no guaranteed money and he wanted this fight more than Jones so he is not gonna come in half assed, he is gonna be at the top of his game. Ruiz is great at cutting off the ring, grabbing his opponent and then pummeling him on the inside, thats how he knocked down the granite chinned Holyfield.
You can say Holyfield is old and past his prime but the chin is the last to go after speed and power. Even lennox lewis whose punching power dwarfs anyones couldn't knock down or even hurt Holyfield in their two fights. Ruiz convincigly beat him twice and knocked him down.
Jones would become only the second man in history to win the Heavyweight title after coming up from light heavyweight. But there is a huge difference in how he will do it.
Michael Spinks beat the true heavyweight champion when he moved up from light heavyweight. Michael Spinks took on A prime Larry Holmes in the early 80's. Holmes was 48-0 and going for 49-0 to match Marcianos record for wins with no losses, when not only did spinks beat holmes, he knocked him out.
Ruiz is "a champ" but not the champ, he holds a version of the title but he is not the champ. It will be an accomplishment but it can not be compared to what Spinks did when he defeated one of the most dominant and greatest heavyweights of all time.
Jones will have to fight on the outside. But a danger lies in Jones style, he lays on the ropes at times during a fight and that may be his downfall, he can't lay on the ropes with Ruiz. Jones has looked spectacular for years against mediocore opponents, he hasn't been challanged since he fought James Toney in 1994.
The list is long and distinguished of fighters who tried moving up but never could make it. Even the greatest fighter of all times, Sugar Ray Robinson couldn't handle the move from welter to middleweight as well. He almost literally was killed in the ring when he moved up for one fight at light heavyweight, he was on the brink of death for a week after the fight.
Jones can win but doesn't mean he will win, I am favoring ruiz by late round KO or Jones by Decision.
What blows is that I have to work tomorow night and I am taping the fight. I dont mind watching it a couple hours later when I get home. My only fear is that the fight will be at about 11:30 or midnight, we are open till 1:am. I don't want some fucko coming in after the fight yelling the outcome. I swear I will bathe in their blood if they do.
I discussed this a while ago in the info forum. Jones is a favorite in the casual boxing fans eyes but not in the boxing worlds eyes. Yes Jones is the most gifted fighter in the game today. Jones has superb hand speed, foot speed, ring smarts, and a heavy duty chin (jones has only been knocked down once on an off balance shot).
Ruiz is called "the quiet man" for a reason, he never gets his just due cause of his embarassing loss to David Tua, in which Ruiz was KO'ed in 19 seconds of the 1st round back in 1996. Since then Ruiz has become a different fighter, he stood no chance against Holyfield but officially beat him once and unofficially beat him twice cause he got a raw deal in the 1st fight. Ruiz was then supposed to lose to Kirk Johnson but even though the fight was sloppy Ruiz showed an excellent chin and better in ring ability.
Jones actually has no added weight, he fights at 175 but he enters the ring usually at 183-187 pounds. He weighed in for the fight at 193, so he didn't add on much weight.The only problem here is that jones never carried over his enormous power to light heavyweight, from middleweight. He still bangs hard for a light heavyweight cause he punches in bunches, or accumilates punishment on his opponent.
Jones will not KO Ruiz if he does that will be a 1 in a million shot. Ruiz has taken this fight with no guaranteed money and he wanted this fight more than Jones so he is not gonna come in half assed, he is gonna be at the top of his game. Ruiz is great at cutting off the ring, grabbing his opponent and then pummeling him on the inside, thats how he knocked down the granite chinned Holyfield.
You can say Holyfield is old and past his prime but the chin is the last to go after speed and power. Even lennox lewis whose punching power dwarfs anyones couldn't knock down or even hurt Holyfield in their two fights. Ruiz convincigly beat him twice and knocked him down.
Jones would become only the second man in history to win the Heavyweight title after coming up from light heavyweight. But there is a huge difference in how he will do it.
Michael Spinks beat the true heavyweight champion when he moved up from light heavyweight. Michael Spinks took on A prime Larry Holmes in the early 80's. Holmes was 48-0 and going for 49-0 to match Marcianos record for wins with no losses, when not only did spinks beat holmes, he knocked him out.
Ruiz is "a champ" but not the champ, he holds a version of the title but he is not the champ. It will be an accomplishment but it can not be compared to what Spinks did when he defeated one of the most dominant and greatest heavyweights of all time.
Jones will have to fight on the outside. But a danger lies in Jones style, he lays on the ropes at times during a fight and that may be his downfall, he can't lay on the ropes with Ruiz. Jones has looked spectacular for years against mediocore opponents, he hasn't been challanged since he fought James Toney in 1994.
The list is long and distinguished of fighters who tried moving up but never could make it. Even the greatest fighter of all times, Sugar Ray Robinson couldn't handle the move from welter to middleweight as well. He almost literally was killed in the ring when he moved up for one fight at light heavyweight, he was on the brink of death for a week after the fight.
Jones can win but doesn't mean he will win, I am favoring ruiz by late round KO or Jones by Decision.
What blows is that I have to work tomorow night and I am taping the fight. I dont mind watching it a couple hours later when I get home. My only fear is that the fight will be at about 11:30 or midnight, we are open till 1:am. I don't want some fucko coming in after the fight yelling the outcome. I swear I will bathe in their blood if they do.
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