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| whichwaymediumorrare | posted on 09-26-2001 @ 11:25 PM |    | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01  | first the president had us all fired up.now we seem to be getting lulled into a more peacefull reaction.now this,jesse jackson to go to packistan on a peace mission.he is being asked to come,and he wants to go.its all over now.were not bombing shit. "well hello mr. fancy pants.i got news for you pal,you aint leadin but two things right now,jack and shit and jack left town." "good,bad..... i am the guy with the gun." | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 09-26-2001 @ 11:40 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | That is why you and Ant aren't in charge of our goverment, these things do not happen overnight. Many months passed after Pearl harbor before we even got troops out of the country into europe for the war.  "For all we have and are, for all our children's fate, stand up and take the war, the Hun is at the gate!" --- Rudyard Kipling She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| JohnSlack
| posted on 09-27-2001 @ 12:05 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | But bombs were falling within weeks..and according to Bush there isn't going to be any D-Day invasion...  "Philly: It's Camden - with a bell." - Jim Norton This message was edited by JohnSlack on 9-27-01 @ 12:22 AM | ||||
| JohnSlack
| posted on 09-27-2001 @ 12:05 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | Damned Double post! "Philly: It's Camden - with a bell." - Jim Norton This message was edited by JohnSlack on 9-27-01 @ 12:59 PM | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 09-27-2001 @ 12:55 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | quote: why would we need a D-Day invasion? They do not have military troops stationed in other countries nor have they invaded any country. When we landed in narmandy and took back france that was totally different from todays situation plus we knew our enemy, we had a return address. Here we need more time to evaluate who the enemy is, that is where we failed in Vietnam we didn't know our enemy. "For all we have and are, for all our children's fate, stand up and take the war, the Hun is at the gate!" --- Rudyard Kipling She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| disgustip8ed | posted on 09-27-2001 @ 2:20 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 01 | This is getting to be annoying. I know that Ant is venting and all, but he has to understand, we can't (at least not in todays world) just start bombing without getting some support from every country. It's like this. There is a reason we are saying 'you are either against us, or with us', and that is this, it defines the parameters of the attack and it sets up others stand with us, and puts others backs against the wall. I understand that we have allies that will be with us through thick and thin, but its the so-so ccountries that we need. And not for the attack, but for help in other areas. For instance banking and intelligence. Most countries know that we (the US) are not fucking around. We are serious about getting the assholes that did this shit. Like the TooL song says, Be Patient. Shit will hit the fan, and when it does, we will be so goddamn proud of ourselves that in ten years, we will be saying 'whoa, I think that might have been a little much.' Just my two cents, I could be wrong.  I hope this is what you wanted I hope this is what you had in mind cause this is what your getting i hope your choking, i hope you choke on this. Maynard James Keenan | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 09-27-2001 @ 2:44 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | quote: You are not wrong at all You are correct we look back today on dropping the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs and shudder at the horror commited. At the time it seemed to be the only way out. After a long drawn out and bloody and horrific war, people wanted an end. And it statistically would save more lives and it would end the war quicker so we dropped the bombs. But looking back it is not a glory point in our history. Bottom line vent all you want but think before you speak. "For all we have and are, for all our children's fate, stand up and take the war, the Hun is at the gate!" --- Rudyard Kipling She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| whichwaymediumorrare | posted on 09-27-2001 @ 7:38 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | gonzo,i agree you must know your ememy.i also agree you cant just rush into war.i spent 8 years in the army.i also know this,the longer he waits, the less support he will have.the peace groups here and around the world will set there propaganda wheels rolling.jesse jackson will go over there,stir shit up,news media being democratic,will plaster it all over the tv.he has to do something,or else that 90 percent rateing he got wont be there long.i am thinking.i am thinking he might not be able to do what he wants when the time comes. "well hello mr. fancy pants.i got news for you pal,you aint leadin but two things right now,jack and shit and jack left town." "good,bad..... i am the guy with the gun." | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 09-27-2001 @ 7:43 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | found this. Thought it was appropriate. President tests patience of nation hungry for action FROM ROLAND WATSON IN WASHINGTON PRESIDENT Bush could not have been clearer. Two days after the bloodshed and ruin of September 11, he bristled with the scope of his planned retaliation. “When I take action, I’m not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It’s going to be decisive.†It was just the kind of vengeful war-mongering for which the listening group of Republican senators yearned. Yet, more than two weeks after declaring hostilities, the most surprising element of the first war of the 21st century is that America has yet to return fire. Some are quick to credit the steadying influence of Colin Powell, the cautious Secretary of State, in explaining the delay in American military action. Certainly, his job of assembling the international coalition would be made harder, maybe impossible, if Washington launched strikes first and asked for allies after. But Mr Bush seems to be playing a cannier game than many thought him capable. His declaration to the Republican senators may have conveyed the impression of visiting Armageddon on Afghanistan. But the key word was “whenâ€. While many mistook his anger and determination for haste and impatience, Mr Bush was focusing on the long term. Hence his pleas for patience. However, there are mounting political tensions which mean that patience, as a tactic, will not last for ever. Pentagon hawks and right-wing Republicans are thirsting for immediate revenge while an overwhelming majority of the public supports military retaliation. Mr Bush has so far chosen to address those desires with his language rather than action. His demand for Osama bin Laden “dead or alive†portrayed him as a fire-at-will gunslinger. In fact, it was a carefully scripted attempt to tell America that, one way or another, it would get its man. Mr Bush’s other favoured colloquialism when referring to al-Qaeda is his intent to “smoke ‘em out of their caves, get ‘em running, hunt ‘em downâ€. The intent is the same, that America will get its target. But the message is that to succeed in smoking them out, the US will have to bide its time. Mr Bush’s approach is, apparently, endorsed by most voters. Although 92 per cent of Americans support military retaliation, according to a New York Times poll, and 83 per cent back force even if it means going to war with a nation harbouring terrorists, 78 per cent believe that Mr Bush should wait until he is certain who is responsible for the attacks. The more Mr Bush waits, the more other pressures emerge. One of the most pressing problems is whether to widen the attack to include countries such as Iraq, suspected of sponsoring terrorism. Mr Bush has already rejected such arguments, championed by Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy Defence Secretary. The initial focus is to be on Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda. But Mr Bush and his war cabinet cannot answer whether the US wants to replace the Taleban regime. The question is critical to the building of a coalition and any choice of targets in Afghanistan. Pakistan, the pivotal country in the US-assembled coalition, has given warning against any attempt to remove the Taleban. The White House has dropped clear hints that it sees no future for a regime that Mr Bush has described as “terribleâ€. Pakistan, strong-armed by Washington to join America rather than face its wrath, is warning that toppling the Taleban would be a “recipe for great disaster†for the Afghan people. It is an indication of the many diplomatic minefields to be negotiated before America starts firing. There is, however, another reason for Mr Bush’s pleas for patience. Having resolved that the initial phase of his war on terrorism be focused on one notoriously elusive man, Mr Bush has to get that man. Anything less would amount to failure. And to get him, he first has to find him.  | ||||
| sheetbag | posted on 09-27-2001 @ 8:09 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 01 | quote: what the F is this? Why is Jesse Jackson going over there??? He has no business to go. Washington even said if he goes there it is as a private citizen. So what would be the point to this? He cant do anything there except pray, but what use is that? They are muslim, they dont like our religions. The only reason he wants to go over there is to boost his self image cause he f'ed it up with the whole affair thing. Besides we are not looking to make peace here, WE WANT BIN LADEN'S ass on a silver platter, and unless jackson is gonna do that for us, he should keep his nosey ass at home, or go find some other co-worker to have a bastard child with. even though this isnt the FU board I figure I will give jesse his FU right here so i dont have to repeat this on a new thread  | ||||
| spitfire421 | posted on 09-27-2001 @ 9:25 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | quote: Do you know your history? Jackson has helped negotiate release of hostages from Croatia, Iraq (right before the Gulf War), and Lebanon in the 80's....so he's definitely qualified for the job. For some reason, foreign governments love Jesse Jackson (maybe someone can answer why?)...plus, he is expendable- doesn't hold any high public office- and if he can make a deal with the Taliban it won't look like the US directly negotiated with them, going against Bush's no negotiation statement. And if they can get a deal with him, they won't seem as weak and bowing down to the pressure of the US government.  We Have Not YetBegun To Fight NEVER FORGET!!! | ||||
| Beyond Mirth | posted on 09-27-2001 @ 10:01 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Sep. 01 | I can understand that we have to wait and we can not just start bombing and go to war right away. What I don't understand is why everyone got so fired up right away last week and the week before. They made it seem like this would have been taken care of already. If you get up and make a speech and get the American public all fired up and tell us what we want to hear, of course people are going to be anxious for something to be done. BTW that article was very informative but it had more spelling errors than my 2nd grade book report. Even Taliban was spelled wrong. Me+you=nightmare, I'll say! Me+you=nightmare!  aka " Little Norton"I've been adopted by Austin-9/14/01 "Yea, my parents having sex looks like 2 pigs fighting over a Milk Dud" | ||||
| Reign | posted on 09-27-2001 @ 11:37 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | Give it time and don't lose faith. Things will happen soon. It may not be bombs dropping from the sky but heads will roll.  | ||||
| AmericanPsycho | posted on 09-27-2001 @ 12:33 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00 | Farrakahn hanging out in Libya is an even larger problem. Not the best time for that. | ||||
| JohnSlack | posted on 09-27-2001 @ 2:28 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | quote: Because countries know that we hate him, and if they deal with him and it will piss us off... Also this "coalition" stuff is garbage. No one is going to say shit if we start carpet bombing afghanistan. Who is going to say anything? no one, because they know if they f with us they'll get the same. And its not like these other countries are going to supply anything, look at the gulf war, we supplied and did 99% of it. "Philly: It's Camden - with a bell." - Jim Norton | ||||
| disgustip8ed | posted on 09-27-2001 @ 2:41 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 01 | quote: Best quote ever by any politician. This is gonna sound a lot like what Ant and Opie were making fun of the last few days, BUT, my brother-in-law was a member of a Marine Corp Raider team (Special Operations). He isn't anymore, but from what he has told me, and nothing secretive, is that there is so much shit that goes on without you or I ever finding out. If there are special forces in Afghanistan right now blowing shit up, the country will not know. They are smart enough to cover their tracks. Most likely making it look like a Northern Alliance attack of somekind. Besides, the SpecOps groups in country are more than likely doing recon, not killing things. I also heard on the news last week that there were reports of a fire fight between Northern Alliance and Afghan Forces, and the info was coming from Military sources who were getting their info from British SpecOps in country. I honestly believe that we have people in country right now, and they can blow shit up with out the media knowing about it. It's not like this battle is happening in Missouri, its in the sparcely populated area of Afganistan without quality communications. The Military isn't stupid, they aren't going to announce the presence of any military force in country, yet. The British thing might not have been correct, but it was cool to hear it reported. 'Where your crutch like a crown of negativity. Calculate what we will not tolerate. Desperate to control, all and everything. Unable to forgive, Scarlet letterman.' MJK | ||||
| VooDude | posted on 09-27-2001 @ 8:41 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 01 | I loved Anthony's rant. I am also frustrated by all the waiting (please Mr. Bush, activate my unit). However, you have to remember that the Persian Gulf build-up started in August of 1990, but it was January of 1991 before any bombs fell. Give it a little time, but keep the pressure on your elected officials......let them know what you want.
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| okterrific23 | posted on 09-27-2001 @ 9:41 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 00 | Jesse Jackson is not going to be succcessful in convincing the evil Taliban to turn over Osama Bin Laden and his buddies. What he should do is try to free the Americans imprisoned in Afghanistan. And, it's going to take time to set up the coalition etc. ---P.S.- I hate the freakin pop up ads which you can't even get rid of, because there is no way to close it. 
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| JohnSlack
| posted on 09-27-2001 @ 10:35 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | Voodude - you're forgetting one thing - this isn't the gulf war. The gulf war wasn't started by the LARGEST KILLING OF AMERICAN CIVILIANS EVER. We got into the gulf war over some oil, not american blood. "Philly: It's Camden - with a bell." - Jim Norton | ||||
| JohnSlack
| posted on 09-27-2001 @ 10:35 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | Voodude - you're forgetting one thing - this isn't the gulf war. The gulf war wasn't started by the LARGEST KILLING OF AMERICAN CIVILIANS EVER. We got into the gulf war over some oil, not american blood. "Philly: It's Camden - with a bell." - Jim Norton | ||||
| VooDude | posted on 09-27-2001 @ 11:32 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 01 | Ok John, I got your point, you didn't have to tell me twice, j/k. I still think it may take some time because we have to FIND the people that we need to send our love to. Believe me, I can't wait till this starts. (Please Mr. Bush, don't let this become another "War On Drugs".)
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| GonzoStyle | posted on 09-28-2001 @ 12:42 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | quote: Come on Nancy Reagans brain child was successful, wasn't it? Just say no, was ingenius and so was the Just say no, flintsones bonanza on ABC when they had michael jackstone perform, lol "For all we have and are, for all our children's fate, stand up and take the war, the Hun is at the gate!" --- Rudyard Kipling She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| disgustip8ed | posted on 09-28-2001 @ 2:33 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 01 | A CH-53, the Jolly Green, nice sig Voodude! NICE!!! 'Where your crutch like a crown of negativity. Calculate what we will not tolerate. Desperate to control, all and everything. Unable to forgive, Scarlet letterman.' MJK | ||||
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