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Norton's Victim
posted on 03-12-2002 @ 2:10 PM      
Psychopath
Registered: Jan. 02
quote:

Go ahead and beat up the next Arab-American you see on the street. Lord knows they are evil, despicable beings.


Okay. Nice way to twist our words. I have nothing against people that are LEGALLY in this country. We said nothing about citizens of America or people that are living here legally. We are talking about the people in terrorist organizations and the people that live in the countries that support them. Goddamn. Say one thing about wanted our enemies to die and all of a sudden you think we are hurting our own citizens. WAKE THE FUCK UP.

quote:

Yes we did. We specifically trained them to use terrorist tactics against the Russians who were invading Afghanistan.


There is a difference between teaching them tactics for self defense because they are the underdog in a war in their country and training them to go into another country and kill people.

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I came to the conclusion that 8:00 - 9:00 in the morning was the only window they had available.


Fine believe that if you want, but you can't use that as an explaination until you answer this:
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Bin laden called upon fellow muslims to kill ALL Americans where ever they could, even if they were just civilians. Defend that.





“The window burns to light the way back home. A light that warms no matter where they've gone. They're off to find the hero of the day. But what if they should fall by someone's wicked way. Still the window burns. Time so slowly turns. And someone there is sighing. Keepers of the flames. Do ya feel your name? Can't you hear your babies crying? Mama they try and break me. Still they try and break me. 'Scuze me while I tend to how I feel. These things return to me that still seem real. Now deservingly this easy chair. But the rocking stopped by wheels of despair. Don't want your aid. But the first I've make. For years can't hold or feel. No, I'm not all me. So please excuse me. While I tend to how I feel. But now the dreams and waking screams. That ever last the night. So build the wall, behind the crawl. And hide until it's light. So can you hear your babies cryin' now? Still the window burns. Time so slowly turns. And someone there is sighing. Keepers of the flames. Do ya feel your name? Can't you hear your babies crying?” - Metallica
"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty." - John F. Kennedy, 1961
Redhead Lover
posted on 03-12-2002 @ 2:19 PM      
Psychopath
Registered: Feb. 02
quote:

For now i won't respond to you because you have proven yourself to be a retard within a span of three sentences



Translation: You proven a lot of my points wrong and I don't have an answer, so I'm just going to ignore you so I can continue to bash America, no matter how illogical my rants are.

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i guess reasonable, intelligent debate doesn't belong on this board. Sorry. Go ahead and beat up the next Arab-American you see on the street. Lord knows they are evil, despicable beings.





Obviously, you're a racist. Oaawite, Norton's Victim, and myself have been talking about the ACTUAL TERRORISTS, but you've just labeled all Arab-Americans to be terrorists. Way to show us how enlightened you are.

I don't understand people like you. You're so anxious to bash your own country that you don't even notice all the flaws in your own twisted logic. Are you really this ignorant, or do you just like to try to upset people?

Either way, it's apparent your parents were also brother and sister. Now go back to kissing your cut-out pictures of American Taliban John Walker

"Weaselling is all part of human nature! Weaseling separates us from the animals... except the weasel" - Homer Simpson
YellowDiscipline
IS STILL REALLY GAY
posted on 03-12-2002 @ 2:26 PM      
O&A Board Regular
Registered: Nov. 01
Dude read my previous post. I'm dying to hear you defend that.

quote:

there is no clear right or wrong in this situation. It is not a case of good vs evil.



I think there is cleary a good vs evil here. I'll just quote OAAWITE:

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1. You can't be this retarded. You can't draw parallels between the 5,000 civilians and zero military personell that died during a blind ambush during peacetime on 9/11 with the (let's assume your numbers are correct) 5,000+ civilians and countless military personell that died in the middle of a war in the middle of their country. It simply isn't the same.



DO we kill civilians over there? YES! but it not on purpose. We are at war and thats what happens during war. You said that they were saying the same thing to themselves but the difference is that we announced and made it perfectly clear that we were going to bomb that country. We gave the civilians there plenty of time to leave. Many did seek refuge in Pakistan and they are in no danger now. Those who stayed take the risk of getting killed. That's there problem. We gave them fair warning, we didn't just drop a bomb on their cities during peace time.



f-boston
posted on 03-12-2002 @ 2:33 PM      
Hanger-On
Registered: Oct. 01
Here here YellowDiscipline!

[silently awaits next Anti-American comment from raving hippie lunatic]

JackDan1974
posted on 03-12-2002 @ 2:49 PM      
O&A Board Regular
Registered: Jul. 01
quote:

They aren't killing in the name of their God, they are killing to get U.S. influence out of the Middle East. Take some time to study current events before spouting off inaccurate statements



So I guess a holy Jihad or whatever you call it is not a religious thing. You claim that we are hated for our influence in the Middle East and our support the Israel. What make’s that a valid reason to kill our civilians? Why is thst reason why we are so hated? What does it matter who we help? I have never understood this utter hatred of Israel? To give you my on thought on war, hey if you want to fuck with us I say we should make it a full out war like we did to japan when they attacked us, but no unlike the fucking coward that attacked us we have moral, and standards, and sense of what is right and wrong in how we attack. That to me is what makes it a war of Good, and Evil because that bastard Osam Shithead has no morals, and those that stand with him deserve to die a horrible death.







This message was edited by JackDan1974 on 3-12-02 @ 3:03 PM
Monocracy
I watch Courtroom Dramas so I am TEH L33T COPYRIET LAWEYR!!!11
posted on 03-12-2002 @ 3:05 PM      
Hanger-On
Registered: Nov. 01
quote:

We are talking about the people in terrorist organizations and the people that live in the countries that support them.

The U.S. supported them. I have said that already. Therefore you are talking about U.S. citizens.

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There is a difference between teaching them tactics for self defense because they are the underdog in a war in their country and training them to go into another country and kill people.

THE. UNITED. STATES. SPECIFICALLY. TRAINED. THEM. FOR. TERRORIST. TACTICS. Please identify which word you don't understand so that i may explain it to you.

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Bin laden called upon fellow muslims to kill ALL Americans where ever they could, even if they were just civilians. Defend that.

When exactly did this happen? I don't remember hearing about it. Given the deluge of intense nationalism permeating from the U.S. media, i am suprised that i haven't heard this line at least 17 times a day.

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Translation: You proven a lot of my points wrong and I don't have an answer, so I'm just going to ignore you so I can continue to bash America, no matter how illogical my rants are.

No, your entire post was pretty stupid and made no sense whatsoever. Responding to it would be like arguing with a 2 year old.

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Obviously, you're a racist. Oaawite, Norton's Victim, and myself have been talking about the ACTUAL TERRORISTS, but you've just labeled all Arab-Americans to be terrorists. Way to show us how enlightened you are.

WRONG. You have been talking about Afghani civilians. Jesus on a pogo stick, this is the type of 2 year old arguing i was talking about. Please make sense in the future. K. THANX. BYE.

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blind ambush during peacetime on 9/11

Oh, please, bin Laden has been attacking us for years. I hardly call that peacetime.

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DO we kill civilians over there? YES! but it not on purpose

YAY! Then it must be OK! I drove drunk and ran over a 7 year old girl, but it wasn't on purpose! Judge: OK! Case dismissed!

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We are at war and thats what happens during war.

Like in the WTC? Oh wait, no, that's different! When THEY do it, it's terrorism, when WE do it, it's war.

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We gave the civilians there plenty of time to leave. Many did seek refuge in Pakistan and they are in no danger now. Those who stayed take the risk of getting killed. That's there problem. We gave them fair warning, we didn't just drop a bomb on their cities during peace time.

bin Laden has also targeted the WTC before. Fair warning? Or is it different again because it's not us doing it?

Like i've been saying all along. Most Americans are hypocrites. If you were born and raised in the Middle East, you'd be a Taliban warrior. If a Taliban soldier were born and raised in the U.S., he'd be a U.S. marine. There's no difference between us, there are gung-ho, blinded patriots on both sides.

Norton's Victim
posted on 03-12-2002 @ 3:10 PM      
Psychopath
Registered: Jan. 02
quote:

THE. UNITED. STATES. SPECIFICALLY. TRAINED. THEM. FOR. TERRORIST. TACTICS. Please identify which word you don't understand so that i may explain it to you.


I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN DUMBASS. WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THAT THEY DID IT FOR A DEFENSIVE NATURE AND NOT AN OFFSENSIVE ONE.

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The U.S. supported them. I have said that already. Therefore you are talking about U.S. citizens.

The US did not help them or harbor them while they were preparing to kill thousands of innocent citizens. It was for military purposes. Take Johnny Walker's cock out of your ass and move to Europe.



“The window burns to light the way back home. A light that warms no matter where they've gone. They're off to find the hero of the day. But what if they should fall by someone's wicked way. Still the window burns. Time so slowly turns. And someone there is sighing. Keepers of the flames. Do ya feel your name? Can't you hear your babies crying? Mama they try and break me. Still they try and break me. 'Scuze me while I tend to how I feel. These things return to me that still seem real. Now deservingly this easy chair. But the rocking stopped by wheels of despair. Don't want your aid. But the first I've make. For years can't hold or feel. No, I'm not all me. So please excuse me. While I tend to how I feel. But now the dreams and waking screams. That ever last the night. So build the wall, behind the crawl. And hide until it's light. So can you hear your babies cryin' now? Still the window burns. Time so slowly turns. And someone there is sighing. Keepers of the flames. Do ya feel your name? Can't you hear your babies crying?” - Metallica
"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty." - John F. Kennedy, 1961
YellowDiscipline
IS STILL REALLY GAY
posted on 03-12-2002 @ 3:17 PM      
O&A Board Regular
Registered: Nov. 01
quote:

The U.S. supported them. I have said that already. Therefore you are talking about U.S. citizens.




NO ASSHOLE. THE UNITED STATES DID NO SUPPORT A TERRORIST GROUP. THEY DID NOT SUPPORT BIN LADEN DIRECTLY. RUSSIA WAS INVADING AFGHANISTAN AND THE UNITED STATES TRAINED AFGHAN MILITANTS TO FIGHT THEM OFF. BIN LADEN JUST HAPPEND TO BE ONE OF THEM. THEN HE TURNED AROUND AND USED THAT TRAINING AGAINST US. THERE IS A BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE!


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THE. UNITED. STATES. SPECIFICALLY. TRAINED. THEM. FOR. TERRORIST. TACTICS.



TO DEFEND THEMSELVES FROM AN INVASION. NOT TO ATTACK ANOTHER COUNTRY DURING PEACE TIME! EXPLAIN TO ME THE WORDS THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!



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When exactly did this happen? I don't remember hearing about it. Given the deluge of intense nationalism permeating from the U.S. media, i am suprised that i haven't heard this line at least 17 times a day.



THIS HAPPENED YEARS AGO. BIN LADEN MADE A TAPE SAYING THAT IT WAS EVERY MUSLIMS RELIGIOUS DUTY TO KILL ALL AMERICANS. NO MATER WHERE THEY WERE. CIVILIAN OR NOT!

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Oh, please, bin Laden has been attacking us for years. I hardly call that peacetime.



THAT'SA STUPID FUCKING STATEMENT. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS 100% PEACE. BUT WE WERE AT A RELATIVE PEACETIME. THERE WAS NO CONINTINOUS MILITARY ACTION BY ANY COUNTRY!

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YAY! Then it must be OK! I drove drunk and ran over a 7 year old girl, but it wasn't on purpose! Judge: OK! Case dismissed!




YOU ARE A COMPLETE ASS. THERE IS AN ENORMOUS DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO. WE ARE NOT BEING IRRESPONSABLE PRICKS WHO GET DRUNK THEN DRIVE AND KILL A LITTL GIRL. WE ARE DROPPING FUCKING BOMBS ON MILITARY TARGETS. CIVILAINS SOMETIMES ARENEARBY AND DIE. IT'S UNFORTUNATE BUT IT WAR!!


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Like in the WTC? Oh wait, no, that's different! When THEY do it, it's terrorism, when WE do it, it's war.



NO!!! THERE IS A BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO. LIKE I SAID EARLIER WE WARNED THEM THAT WE WE COMING. THE TERRORIST DID NOT! WE GAVE PLENTY OF TIME FOR INNOCENT CIVILIANS GET OUT OF HARMS WAY. THE TERRORIST DID NOT! YOU WANT TO SAY THAT THEM BOMBING THE TWIN TOWERS YEARS AGO WAS A WARNING(WHICH IS A COMLETE FUCKING COP-OUT ON YOUR PART)THEN WHERE WAS THE WARNING FOR THE FIRST ATTACK. THERE WAS NONE!

THERE IS AN ABSOLUTE FUCKING DIFFERENCE IN WHAT THE TWO OF US ARE DOING!

Monocracy
I watch Courtroom Dramas so I am TEH L33T COPYRIET LAWEYR!!!11
posted on 03-12-2002 @ 3:20 PM      
Hanger-On
Registered: Nov. 01
You started off well, Norton's Victim, but you managed to slide into stupidity.

Training bin Laden was an OFFENSIVE move against the commies. We gave approximately two shits about the Afghani people during Russia's occupation. We just wanted to see the commies get their asses kicked. That is offense, not defense.

As for your second comment, i have no idea what you are talking about. You are starting to sound like that Redhead retard. It makes no sense, but if you throw in a Johnny Walker reference, i'm sure the mindless masses will cheer.

Monocracy
I watch Courtroom Dramas so I am TEH L33T COPYRIET LAWEYR!!!11
posted on 03-12-2002 @ 3:26 PM      
Hanger-On
Registered: Nov. 01
But in any case, i think i'll give up here. I tried to show both sides of a situation, but closed minds are hard to open. The power os propaganda is immeasurable ... human nature is the same, no matter what country you're from.

Norton's Victim
posted on 03-12-2002 @ 3:27 PM      
Psychopath
Registered: Jan. 02
What I was talking about in my second comment is that you keep saying that the US are the same as the people that trained the terrorist. WE did not help them while they were planning an attack on CIVILIANS. Okay. Maybe we did teach them some tactics for the sole purpose of killing commies, but keep in mind that it was soldiers attacking their country. Don't say I slipped into stupidity, because I know what I am talking about. Let me guess. You are a college student that is sitting in his dorm room that feels the need to stand by something to feel like you are making a difference. I'm sick of seeing people like you on my campus. Its cool today to be against the government. And if you arn't in college defending this, then you just never grew out of the stage. Stop trying to save the world and try to think about the people that you pass on the street everyday.



“The window burns to light the way back home. A light that warms no matter where they've gone. They're off to find the hero of the day. But what if they should fall by someone's wicked way. Still the window burns. Time so slowly turns. And someone there is sighing. Keepers of the flames. Do ya feel your name? Can't you hear your babies crying? Mama they try and break me. Still they try and break me. 'Scuze me while I tend to how I feel. These things return to me that still seem real. Now deservingly this easy chair. But the rocking stopped by wheels of despair. Don't want your aid. But the first I've make. For years can't hold or feel. No, I'm not all me. So please excuse me. While I tend to how I feel. But now the dreams and waking screams. That ever last the night. So build the wall, behind the crawl. And hide until it's light. So can you hear your babies cryin' now? Still the window burns. Time so slowly turns. And someone there is sighing. Keepers of the flames. Do ya feel your name? Can't you hear your babies crying?” - Metallica
"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty." - John F. Kennedy, 1961
f-boston
posted on 03-12-2002 @ 3:35 PM      
Hanger-On
Registered: Oct. 01
Mono, your utter lunacy is really starting to annoy me.

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There is a difference between teaching them tactics for self defense because they are the underdog in a war in their country and training them to go into another country and kill people.
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THE. UNITED. STATES. SPECIFICALLY. TRAINED. THEM. FOR. TERRORIST. TACTICS. Please identify which word you don't understand so that i may explain it to you.



Why dont you explain it to me.. I obviously dont get it. We trained them to help them get Russia out of their country. It was a DEFENSIVE strategy.

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blind ambush during peacetime on 9/11
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Oh, please, bin Laden has been attacking us for years. I hardly call that peacetime.




That simple statement shows your utter ignorance. It was peacetime. Bin Laden, last I checked, was not the sovereign ruler of a country. He did not have authority to wage war. He was an individual, albeit a powerful one, and had a lot of followers. Therefore, as an individual, his acts could only be acts of terrorism. He was sheltered by the Afghani Gov't - He was not the gov't itself. He can call for jihad all he wants and it still makes his acts terroristic.

Here's a parallel for you. I can call for the destruction of the Eiffel Tower all I want. If I blow it up, I am a terrorist - it doesnt matter if I dislike the French and tell anyone I know to do the same. The act by me is still individual, illegal, and terroristic. Now, if a country declares war on another country, the situation is different. It is then WAR. The rules change.

So yes, he may have been "attacking" us for years. He may have orchestrated several acts against US interests, but lacking authority to wage war, he and his band of followers were nothing more then international thugs.

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DO we kill civilians over there? YES! but it not on purpose
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YAY! Then it must be OK! I drove drunk and ran over a 7 year old girl, but it wasn't on purpose! Judge: OK! Case dismissed!




Your parallel is completely and utterly ridiculous. Casualties happen during war, it is a part of it. Accidental civilian casualties during war are a price to pay. It is accepted in war that some innocent lives will be lost, provided they are not taken intentionally. It is unacceptable in modern society however, to drive drunk and kill someone, no matter what your intentions were. Drunk drivers break the law as soon as they get behind the wheel. Do you see the difference, or need I explain further in simpler language?

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We are at war and thats what happens during war.
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Like in the WTC? Oh wait, no, that's different! When THEY do it, it's terrorism, when WE do it, it's war.




That is amazingly correct, despite your attempt at sarcasm. When we, The United States, act as we have been, it is war. There was a formal declaration, it is internationally accepted. When they act, and presumably by they you mean Bin Laden, or Al Qaida, or Muslims, or whatnot, it IS terrorism, because they are acting on their own. If their country decided to declare war, the situation changes. You see?

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Like i've been saying all along. Most Americans are hypocrites. If you were born and raised in the Middle East, you'd be a Taliban warrior. If a Taliban soldier were born and raised in the U.S., he'd be a U.S. marine. There's no difference between us, there are gung-ho, blinded patriots on both sides.




Bottom line, you sicken me.

Syndrummer
LOOK!! All my "N"s are capitalized!!!
posted on 03-12-2002 @ 3:39 PM      
Psychopath
Registered: Mar. 02
I wonder if people are writing Your Mama jokes on the CNN message board



This message was edited by Syndrummer on 3-12-02 @ 3:40 PM
Senor_Doobie
posted on 03-12-2002 @ 5:05 PM      
Hanger-On
Registered: Oct. 00
Cool, a discussion on the war.

First of all, the dude I'm replying to: Terrorism has nothing to do with whether or not the acting party has the backing of a country. If you don't believe me, let's ask Webster.

terrorism n. [Cf. F. terrorisme.] The act of terrorizing, or state of being terrorized; a mode of government by terror or intimidation

Secondly, we have not declared war on Afghanistan. Congress wouldn't do it. Just like Viet Nam, this is a military action, and I guess by your definition, terrorism.

Now for the only important question in this debate: Why do they hate us?

It's not because we are free. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. It is because our foriegn policy sucks ass. We go over to the Middle East and support (which doesn't imply "agree with", it just implies that we give them the means to stay in power) whichever government helps out our financial interests at the time.

For example, we support Saudi Arabia, and you can bet taht there will never be a US bomb dropped on their soil. Yet, that is the country from which a high percentage of Al Queda hang out and get brainwashed. The Saudi Royal Family doesn't really do anything about it, so that could be considered harboring. But it's not. Why? Because the Royal Family has no problem with selling us their oil.

Iraq used to sell us oil too. This was at the same time that the evil one known as Sudam Houssain was gassing his own people. Then one day he found out that we were selling arms to Iran at the same time we were selling arms to him and for some strange reason he didn't want to be our friend anymore. Go figure. So, when he decided to invade Kuwait, the US started showing the American public evidence that he was gassing the Kurds, despite the fact that we had no problem with that until that point.

Now, we sell guns to Israel, and surprise surprise, the Muslims don't like that because it means dead Muslim babies. Of course that side of the story is never shown on American television, because then people might actually start thinking and we certainly don't want that to happen. But plase continue to ignore the fact that the enire rest of the civilized world supports Palestine in that war, and is in total agreement that Israeli occupation of the Gaza strip is illegal. Fact is, selling Israel weapons funds our military machine.

Does the US support terrorism? Of course it does. Ask any countless countries in Central/South America about that. The CIA runs a little program known the School of America in which we train revolutionary groups in that region of the world to take out governments that aren't willing to welcome American industry.

American industry, you know, the stuff that pollutes foriegn lands that don't have our tough environmental standards, while paying the people next to nothing to keep all the money coming here.

That is why most of the world hates us and their hatred is quite justified in my opinion. You are right, our way of life is great. Everyone gets their own SUV and big-screen television, while the people who make our $80 sneakers can barely afford a bowl of rice.

What does it all mean?
Redhead Lover
posted on 03-12-2002 @ 5:07 PM      
Psychopath
Registered: Feb. 02
quote:

WRONG. You have been talking about Afghani civilians. Jesus on a pogo stick, this is the type of 2 year old arguing i was talking about.



Heh, heh... you may be an ignorant racist, Monocracy, but I gotta admit, it's really amusing listening to you try to sound so superior. Keep trying to insult me, I've gotten quite a few good laughs... Oh, for the record, you brought up Afghan citizens, I never did.

But calling me a retard? Now I expect better from someone so enlightened as you. You're being disrespectful to people who actually suffer mental disabilities. Do try to be more sensitive in the future!

I also found it interesting that you say you're not going to respond to me, then you respond to my very next post. Since you've been here, you've done nothing but spout off a holier-than-thou attitude... the very same type of attitude you're supposedly so sick of. Everyone who disagrees with you is automatically "stupid" or a "retard"...

Interesting that you continue to bash me while responding to Norton's victim. Nice to know I can get under your skin ;)

You keep preaching about hypocricy. If you really want to see a true hypocrite, start with the nearest mirror...

"Weaselling is all part of human nature! Weaseling separates us from the animals... except the weasel" - Homer Simpson
JackDan1974
posted on 03-12-2002 @ 5:15 PM      
O&A Board Regular
Registered: Jul. 01
quote:

Like i've been saying all along. Most Americans are hypocrites. If you were born and raised in the Middle East, you'd be a Taliban warrior. If a Taliban soldier were born and raised in the U.S., he'd be a U.S. marine. There's no difference between us, there are gung-ho, blinded patriots on both sides.



Yeah you know what you are completely right, and we are to blame for the worlds evils. That is why the middle east has been at war with eachother since we started recodording such events. Face it that part of the world is not content unless they are fighting someone, or plotting to take someone land by force.





Filzy
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posted on 03-12-2002 @ 10:12 PM      
O&A Board Regular
Registered: Sep. 00
To make a point...

The Japanese attcking pearl harbor was a strategic move by the Japanese.

Smashing two planes into the WTC and one into the pentagon by the Al queda is an act of terrorism.

So, shut your fucking Mouth liberal.
I fucking hate people like you, If I see you protesting, I'm punching you in your fucking teeth.
You are a traitor and and you will be one until you are dead.
People like you sould be paraded in a cage with rocks being thrown at them.
I hate you, Momocracy, you fucking liberal. I hope you die.



"I'm proud that I've never had a drug problem or complained that sucess sucks and shot myself like Kurt Cobain did.
Sorry, but sucess is something people like me dream about.

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R.I.P.


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Senor_Doobie
posted on 03-12-2002 @ 11:17 PM      
Hanger-On
Registered: Oct. 00
Thanks for that very well thought-out, intelligent reply.

What does it all mean?
Harry Ballzanya
posted on 03-12-2002 @ 11:45 PM      
Psychopath
Registered: May. 01
quote:

there is no clear right or wrong in this situation. It is not a case of good vs evil


first let me just say that i completely DISAGREE with that statement, i think its pretty clear who's in the wrong here. However, thats your own opinion and thats fine..but have you ever heard about supporting your country?
Whether you agree with the specifics or not, these men are out there fighting and risking their lives so every single U.S. citizen, including ungrateful pieces of shit like you, doesnt have to worry about being stripped of their freedom, THEIR FUCKING AMERICAN RIGHTS!
So instead of trying to get attention with all your bullshit, why dont you support the men that are fighting for you..or get the fuck out!

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Proud To Be An American
posted on 03-12-2002 @ 11:48 PM      
Psychopath
Registered: Jan. 01
quote:

I'm not critisizing the war effort, i'm just trying to get the American poeple to stop being nationalistic ignorant hypocrites.



So, you want us to be multiculturalist, omniscient, good vs evil type people?

How are we hypocrites? It's simple, they hurt us, we hurt them. There is no reason for us not to l;et others know that we are a strong country, because the minute we look weak, theres a guy who will attempt to fuck with us. Alot of countries don't like our foreign policy, but what the fuck can they do? No one does it better than the US. They may bitch about us fucking with people, but when countires like Britain or Japan need our help, who's the big motha fucka they are going to first? That;s right, the US. We deserve it all , and if someone wants to compete, go ahead.

And, who cares about kiling civilians over there? They know we're coming, they could leave.

Fo shizza my nizza, is it ok to say nizza?




"I haven't felt that good since Artie Gammell score against Holland in 1978." "When a person is insane, as you clearly are, do you know that you're insane? Maybe you're just sitting around, reading "Guns and Ammo", masturbating in your own feces, do you just stop and go, "Wow! It is amazing how fucking crazy I really am!" "Bitch, what you don't know about me I can just about squeeze in the Grand fucking Canyon. Did you know I always wanted to be a dancer in Vegas?" "Bazooko's Circus is what the world would be doing every Saturday night if the Nazis had won the war.
Senor_Doobie
posted on 03-13-2002 @ 12:15 AM      
Hanger-On
Registered: Oct. 00
We know they are coming too. Hell, it's more than likely that they already have a couple nukes over here. Even President Bush has warned us that we will be attacked again on our own soil, yet I doubt you have a bag packed or a bus ticket to Canada.

Why not?

Your family is here. Your job is here. Everything that you know and love is here. But when that nuke blows up, and it probably will, and sooner than later, it will be your own damn fault that you are dead because after all, you could have left.

Let me ask the war mongers this:

When does the war end? Is it even within the realm of possibility that we will catch every single Al Queda member? No, of course not. If worse comes to worst, they'll just hang out in Saudi Arabia, and we won't be touching that country...ever. So, when does it end? When bin Laden dies? Bushy has already said "No," to that on many occasions. Our enemy is Evil and for bin Laden there are a thousand other wannabe bin Laden's who will no doubt take over. So, what next? Bomb Iraq to shit? Then what? North Korea? Finish off that axis of evil....

You say that we are there to make a statement. The statement is that if they hurt us we'll hurt them. Well, haven't we made that point yet? We crippled Afghanistan in days, not that they were much of a country to begin with. So, now what? Keep making martyrs? Seems to be working well for the Israelis, huh?

I say, we pack up and get the fuck out before we really start getting hit back. And don't think we won't. It is a war afterall.

And please, stop saying that they hate our freedom because that is just a load of shit. They have a million better reasons to hate us than that. Please read my other post on that, and don't blind yourself from a little truth.

What does it all mean?
Senor_Doobie
posted on 03-13-2002 @ 12:54 AM      
Hanger-On
Registered: Oct. 00
Yes, Virginia, we do train terrorists.

It's called the School of the Americas, and it is responsible for setting up some very naughty regimes in South/Central America. I guess, we'd better hurry up and bomb Ft. Benning in case some liberal cocksucker starts calling us hypocrites.

http://www.soaw.org/

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The US Army School of Americas (SOA), based in Fort Benning, Georgia, trains Latin American soldiers in combat, counter-insurgency, and counter-narcotics. Graduates of the SOA are responsible for some of the worst human rights abuses in Latin America. Among the SOA's nearly 60,000 graduates are notorious dictators Manuel Noriega and Omar Torrijos of Panama, Leopoldo Galtieri and Roberto Viola of Argentina, Juan Velasco Alvarado of Peru, Guillermo Rodriguez of Ecuador, and Hugo Banzer Suarez of Bolivia. Lower-level SOA graduates have participated in human rights abuses that include the assassination of Archbishop Oscar Romero and the El Mozote Massacre of 900 civilians. (See Grads in the News, SOA Grads in Action, Reports)

On January 17, 2001 the SOA was replaced by the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (WHISC).

The result of a Department of Defense proposal included in the Defense Authorization Bill for Fiscal 2001, the name-change measure passed when the House of Representatives defeated a bi-partisan amendment to close the SOA and conduct a congressional investigation by a narrow ten vote margin. (See Talking Points, Critique of New School, Vote Roll Call.)

In a media interview last year, Georgia Senator and SOA supporter, the late Paul Coverdell, characterized the DOD proposal as "cosmetic" changes that would ensure that the SOA could continue its mission and operation. Critics of the SOA concur. The new military training school is the continuation of the SOA under a new name. It is a new name, but the same shame.

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Sorry to break your hearts kids, but we ain't the good guys your television might have you believe.

What does it all mean?
Norton's Victim
posted on 03-13-2002 @ 8:22 AM      
Psychopath
Registered: Jan. 02
quote:

Sorry to break your hearts kids, but we ain't the good guys your television might have you believe.


I am through arguing my points. If you don't want to back your country fine, but it pisses me off that it will help you. Everything is conspiracy isn't it? Sometimes we arn't the nice guys, but we have never been the bad guys. Have we ever started a war unprovoked? No. Don't bring up Vietnam. It was a mistake to go, but we were just helping another country. Its people like you that sit around all day complaining about what America has done in the past, yet you make no moves in your life to help other people. We, as a country, have been drug into alot of the conflicts that we stuck our nose into. The world makes it seem like they want America to butt out, but when they are in trouble they are the first to come knocking on our door. Have we made mistakes in the past? Sure we have. What the fuck, no one is perfect. Are we making mistakes now? The only one that I can see is that there is still a Middle east. We should have let Israel loose a long time ago.



“The window burns to light the way back home. A light that warms no matter where they've gone. They're off to find the hero of the day. But what if they should fall by someone's wicked way. Still the window burns. Time so slowly turns. And someone there is sighing. Keepers of the flames. Do ya feel your name? Can't you hear your babies crying? Mama they try and break me. Still they try and break me. 'Scuze me while I tend to how I feel. These things return to me that still seem real. Now deservingly this easy chair. But the rocking stopped by wheels of despair. Don't want your aid. But the first I've make. For years can't hold or feel. No, I'm not all me. So please excuse me. While I tend to how I feel. But now the dreams and waking screams. That ever last the night. So build the wall, behind the crawl. And hide until it's light. So can you hear your babies cryin' now? Still the window burns. Time so slowly turns. And someone there is sighing. Keepers of the flames. Do ya feel your name? Can't you hear your babies crying?” - Metallica
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Joey1120
SHOW ME MULE!!!!
posted on 03-13-2002 @ 10:05 AM      
Psychopath
Registered: Jan. 02
quote:

The American military and press are obviously biased in reporting this information.



Hello...what do you think newspapers are anywhere? They are biased by nature, published to represent someone's or a group's agenda. That's their purpose...to sell, sell, sell.

quote:

but i just can't stand America's holier-than-thou attitude that is taken while we're doing it.



Well, Americans are not the only ones with this holier-than-thou attitude. I think bin Laden is not only a member, but the president. Any man who inists that "his" people are the best, convincing them that killing "infidels" is the only thing left to do for their Allah is completely demonstrating this attidue. Don't give me that stupid Americans are egotistical, blah, blah... EVERYONE has a freakin' ego, but we don't go blowing people up to inflate it!

quote:

That is quite possibly the stupidest statement I've ever read. In case you haven't been paying attention for the last six months, Al Queda does not feed civilians, they slit unarmed civilians throats and then laugh about it. And before you try to say I made that up, I just described exactly what happened to Daniel Pearl.



This is a good point. America does have it problems, but you could not pay me enough money to give up my citizenship. I like it here. Here, you can show up at a party and meet almost anyone, from any walk of life. Here you can express yourself in any way you see fit, so long as you don't harm another person or their property in the process. Americans do a great job at thinking about other people. We like our diversity (at least most of the people I know do). Anyway, I feel like I'm just ranting here, so I would just like to say that I hope everyone who believes in the "cause" of 9-11 should die a most horrible death. I also hope as few innocent people and our soldiers are killed in bringing those assholes to justice...that's right I said JUSTICE.



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This message was edited by Joey1120 on 3-13-02 @ 2:10 PM

Redhead Lover
posted on 03-13-2002 @ 10:23 AM      
Psychopath
Registered: Feb. 02
quote:

I wonder if people are writing Your Mama jokes on the CNN message board




On a related topic, since people keep coming on to the Opie and Anthony board to talk about the war instead, I wonder if people go onto the CNN Message Board to talk about Opie and Anthony...

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