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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: Defining the Opie & Anthony vs. Stern Situation | ||||
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| windowlck | posted on 04-28-2001 @ 9:35 PM |    | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00  | To all Lurkers, Newbies, and Non-New Yorkers that want to understand the battle between the Opie & Anthony show in NY and Howard Stern: I feel it ruins the point when people come onto either of the two message boards and write stupid crap like “Howard is a fag†or “O&A suck†w/o actually discussing what is really going on. To a lot of you that are outside of the tri-state area Stern is still the best thing you have ever heard on the radio, but in the New York Market there is also Opie and Anthony show in the afternoon. Now I’m not trying to influence personal opinions about which show is better, but I want to lay out actual facts about what has been going on. I was a fluent Stern listener from 1988 till shortly about time of his divorce in 1999 (around when the quality of Howard’s program started in a steep decline.) Standing from a non-bias point of view, I discovered the O&A show one day after Howard went on a pointless rant that two nameless afternoon DJ’s in NY had also played a bootlegged copy of a Casey Kasem flipping out on co-workers. Stern had refused to mention the DJ’s names or the station they worked for. Being a Stern fan I thought is was weird because Howard had always mentioned people he didn’t like by name, such as Manqueer or Imus. I personally found it silly because it no different then Jay Leno & David Letterman discussing the same news clip. So I decided to give these guys a listen for myself to see what the big deal was. Around this time, there was the beginning of a series of non-competitive actions that Howard & WXRK took to try to shut down the O&A show. Some of these events have been: (1) Sending KROCK lawyers trying to shut down WOW, because they claimed it was “a dangerous promotion that could cause traffic accidents and sexual assaults†(2) Plus Howard tried to claim that he invented WOW in Washington but instead w/ the use of Bandanas. (3) And of course the thing that made me finally punch out from listening to Stern anymore was the “GAG order†he had placed on the O&A show from mentioning any of the anti-competitive actions that Stern has been performing against their 1 market (at the time) (to try to legitimize this action the gag order was extended onto all programs in the Infinity Radio Family) (4) Calling on Infinity Lawyers to Prevent them from being syndicated and trying to shut down fan sites ("Syndication Underground")that are beaming the show over the net. (5) Howard has also been responsible for trying to have Infinity executives treated the management of musical groups and celebrity guest to not go on the O&A show or else they will be banned appearing on his from his nationally syndicated show. Which is still relevant, because of the Monster Magnet/ Buck cherry incident that happened only a couple of weeks ago. My question is why does he bother to do this? Even though both shows are in the #1 radio market in the world and both shows target young males as there demographic, the O&A show is in the afternoon. After all the crap other DJ’s & Gov’t officials had tried to do to Stern in his career, why not embrace these guys and both try to change the ways of the FCC? But instead he is being a total hypocrite. When O&A use to be able mention Howard by name, they would state that they were fans that were partially influenced in going into radio because of the work he did years ago. All these negative actions have only cause the O&A show to up the quality of radio and risks they take. Also from lurking around the stern fan network message board, I noticed that the die hards have also seen the significant decrease in the quality of radio of the past 3 yrs. Competition is healthy and I would respect Stern more if he spent less time trying to oppress a afternoon radio show and try to bring back the energy that use to be there between 1988-1998. Are there too many people blowing smoke up Sterns ass, telling him that the show has been great or are too afraid to approach him w/ constructive criticism? Why is Howard obsessed with trying to prevent people from enjoying both shows? Has the massive growth of his celebrity status distanced him from being able to talk to his fan base? I don’t know. But the claims of clones is childish and far from the truth. The only similarities I see is the fact that it’s guys talking about the things that guys like to talk about. O&A have a very interactive show w/ their fan base unlike any media based entertainment show in the world. I don’t know what caused Howard to become such a hypocrite against everything he use to stand for (from Freedom of Speech…to being against Fluff celebrity interviews… to being the family man who no matter what went on air still went home to his wife) The reasons we listen to these shows were based on one thing, Comedy. So why does Howard only think people want to hear his jokes & opinions? If people don’t like either of the shows they can change the station, but he shouldn’t be trying to hinder people from making their own decisions. Thank you, -Len C  "What are you gonna do?Release the dogs?! Or the bees?! Or dogs with bees in their mouth so that when they bark they shoot bees at you?" This message was edited by windowlck on 6-7-01 @ 12:58 PM | ||||
| 1st Sgt. Fil Stand up straight Stomach in Shoulders back SOUND OFF!!! | posted on 04-28-2001 @ 10:50 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | Well "Fuckin" said, Windowlck. Now that the cards are laid out, it's the question of someone calling it a Straight, or a four of a kind, even though it's a straight.  If you don't have regrets, you haven't accomplished anything. -Josh Silver, Type O Negative | ||||
| windowlck | posted on 04-29-2001 @ 1:12 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | Thanks Fil, I just want to make clear I don't want this thread defiled and that this is only for a real discussion "What are you gonna do?Release the dogs?! Or the bees?! Or dogs with bees in their mouth so that when they bark they shoot bees at you?" | ||||
| Suburban Sperm Distributor | posted on 04-29-2001 @ 1:06 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | How about Stern and O&A on FoxNews channel on the O'Reily Factor! oh wait..Infinity and Viacom would never have the balls to do that..they won't even allow people to use names they have to be referred to as "radio edit" and 2afternoon dj's..... I swear this country is becoming a political ass kissing capitalist scum sucking shithole...GOD BLESS IT......where else can be a senator drive drunk kill a girl and still stay senator....LET'S ALL BECOME POLITICIANS "you only exist in my imagination" | ||||
| kansei | posted on 04-29-2001 @ 4:29 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 00 | windowlck, I agree wholeheartedly. We can only hope that O&A are smart enough to make the gag order disappear with their new contract. All this will make a great book one day. I can't wait. _______ Crouching Opie, not-so-hidden Anthony Release date: June, 2001 | ||||
| jewdown | posted on 04-29-2001 @ 6:31 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Well put Windowlck, but it's too bad that these truths are covered up and not exposed for the world to realize. kansei, you're right it will make a good book, but Coward probably already owns the rights to it. | ||||
| Evil Opie | posted on 04-29-2001 @ 7:15 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Apr. 01 | Very well put Windowlck.  Proud member of Cluster-F's dilloners in training. Also thanx for the sig pic. | ||||
| itsamiata | posted on 04-29-2001 @ 9:35 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | Well said windowlck. | ||||
| Skeet Slambone | posted on 04-29-2001 @ 11:23 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | windowlck definately well said. Its amazing how a guy with such a great storied history of putting his money where his mouth is, has instead lowered himself to slimy political tactics to qwell the competition.
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| Officer Joe Friday | posted on 05-01-2001 @ 10:45 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | Good job. I posted something similar to that months back on the Stern newsgroup. Of course I got flamed but I feel I got my points out there. Stern is just a shadow of his former self. Sort of like Letterman used to be before he had his surgery. After which he got funny again. So I guess, if you want Stern to be funny again root for the heart attack. But there's also this: there are over 5,000 men in this city, who know that being a policeman is an endless, glamourless, thankless job that's gotta be done. I know it, too, and I'm damn glad to be one of them." | ||||
| CriticsLoveSnatch i know better than to ask for a status from you mean ol' mods I shall call him mini-FTL | posted on 05-01-2001 @ 10:53 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | good job winddowlck howard knows that continuing this will only help O&A get more fame, which is why the gag order was put Howard got where he is now by feuding with Imus, and he knows it. if he continued a fight with O&A, he would have lost it just like Imus did with him, so he shut them up, plain and simple  "Never Underestimate the Power of Stupid People in Large Groups" My adopted mini-critic is Getinthecoffin Anyone else looking to be adopted IM me at Jemo123 | ||||
| av8er OA.com's taint with wings. | posted on 05-01-2001 @ 11:11 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Very well said windowlick...I've been a stern fan since '86. after finding O&A 2 years ago I rarely listen to howard anymore...maybe 20 mins on the way to work. He just can't measure up to the boys.  av8er FIGHT CENSORSHIP ON THE NET!! | ||||
| Whackbag | posted on 05-02-2001 @ 12:41 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 00 | Letterman has been solid since the surgery, at least better than he was in the time leading up to it. | ||||
| NAMBLA Prez G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Kid Touching Corps | posted on 05-02-2001 @ 6:56 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | Thanks for the info. I'm new to the show and this site and I was wondering how all the shit went down. I heard someone say somethin about High Bitch Eric from Stern calling up O&A a while ago and threatening them. Was that true? "Gimmy the bat, faggit" "I AM ZEROMUS. I AM THE HATRED!" | ||||
| The Brain | posted on 05-02-2001 @ 7:24 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Feb. 01 | quote: That is absolutely true. Check around on some of the fan sites that have audio clips of them talking about the incident, as well as Foundry, which has the actual phone message of High Pitch leaving a bomb threat on Opie's voice mail. quote: Critics is right on the money. Anyone who has been a loyal listener to Stern knows the crap he went through as the afternoon guy playing second fiddle to Imus' morning show. And now here comes another afternoon show nipping at his heels this time-- is it any wonder why he doesn't want history to repeat itself? He knows sooner or later the boys will surpass him, just like he surpassed Imus.  "ARE YOU PONDERING WHAT I'M PONDERING?" | ||||
| McTool | posted on 05-02-2001 @ 8:05 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Apr. 01 | So back in the day, stern was the o and a and imus was the stern? | ||||
| mozfan | posted on 05-03-2001 @ 7:07 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Aug. 00 | >Are there too many people blowing smoke up >Sterns ass, telling him that the show has been >great or are too afraid to approach him w/ >constructive criticism? Well, yeah. I have to admit that I still listen every morning as it's still the best morning show there is. Having said that, it's become painfully obvious that he's incredibly out of touch and is not responsible for one iota of the show. there are many examples, but this very morning might provide the best one: He had a guest that is a Dr. who studies shy bladder or pee-shyness. Howard starts in on this Big Rant like it's the first time he's discussed this and the Dr. gets on and says "It's good to be back." Then, I nearly pissed myself laughing as Howard had to be convinced that this was infact the good Dr.'s second appearance. He didn't fucking realize that the guy was on in the Fall. This is not to mention that he has been playing that Annie Previn song "Torn" (which sucks) again- all the time. And he was talking to his mom again on the phone about those age-old tapes. I would forgive someone for tuning in and thinking it was a best-of. Another example of how douchey HS has become comes from last week...Craig Kilbourn was on the show dispite having been slaughtered by Howard in the past...Howard must've forgetten that he hates Craig....anyway, Craig made some jokes about Howard's interviewing skills in regards to midgets and retards. Howard didn't think it was funny then, but the REAL fun came when Craig said these things the next week on his Late Late Show. Howard and (shock) Jeffery Ross proceeded to TOTALLY not get the joke and go on and on defending Howard and bashing Craig as if the guy was seriously "badmouthing" Howard, which he clearly was not. Howard took particular objection to something that made him seem "out of touch"...so he knows what's going on. ;) He then proceeded to say he invented 5 questions and Jeffery Ross said "Don't you realize the whole industry has ripped you off?!" He's basically "Citizen Stern." It's sad. | ||||
| Dana Dillon | posted on 05-03-2001 @ 7:33 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | So well put hun.I started listening to him in 1982.I loved getting out of work when he was on WNBC.I go to that board and I have kids yelling at me to go back to this board.I post very nice there.They were probably in there f'en diapers way back then. | ||||
| BigBlackFez
| posted on 05-10-2001 @ 8:32 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | Doesn't it suck? Yeah - he seems to be taking on the Imus role, but even worse! Imus would, at least when he realized that his style or entertainment was going to be found lacking, tried to pick up a few tips, but Mommie Stern is outright stealing bits from the boys! It's just so damn sad. I remember when the Stern show on Channel 2 was about to premiere...I was telling everyone that this was a return to the days of his Channel 9 show, which used to beat SNL like a red-headed stepchild! And then it came on.... What crap. SNL was actually funnier than some of his stuff. I guess Jackie was pissed off even then. I've tried to be objective and try out the show again...but he blows! He's turned into everything he used to criticize. He's now one of the celebrity faegs that he used to tool on. When he came on to Letterman in the superhomo getup, that was the beginning of the end. And his movie...I went to the advance screening at the Felt Forum, and I left less than satisfied. Ever since then, he has started to suck more and more. After he got divorced, he hit an all-time suck level. He must have whined so much that even Jackie heard it through the din. He couldn't take it. And neither can I. Hey guys - you wanna have some fun? I have 13 copies of his lame-ass book (and no, I didn't pay anything close to cover price for any of them!), and I'd like to shred those suckers! Let's ice 'em either at the next party, or we'll make something up. That's all for now - I gotta rub out a batch for my hoes... | ||||
| windowlck | posted on 05-10-2001 @ 8:51 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | BigBlackFez, Thank you for sharing your Opinion, but this is not the Forum on the Quality of Howard’s Show. This is Purely about the Crap that Howard is specifically pulling w/ the Boys. "What are you gonna do?Release the dogs?! Or the bees?! Or dogs with bees in their mouth so that when they bark they shoot bees at you?" | ||||
| Filzy Stand up straight Stomach in Shoulders back SOUND OFF!!! | posted on 05-10-2001 @ 9:35 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | Let's face it Stern is terrifieed of our Anti-heroes of NY radio. Why? Because O&A are exposing him for what he truly is and he doesn't like it. Well guess what three more weeks, and O&A hell begins. I can't wait. If you don't have regrets, you haven't accomplished anything. -Josh Silver, Type O Negative My Adoptee: The Mrs. | ||||
| BigBlackFez
| posted on 05-17-2001 @ 8:04 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | Hey, bud - I was just explaining that I'm not just a dopey tool who actually has a mind of his own. I love what Opie & Anthony do in New York, and I wish that they had the same opportunities that Mommie Stern has...unfortunately, he's acting like a royal bitch (hey, I'm at work, and I haven't the time to get into one of my e-tirades, but check my previous posts, if you wish), and it simply sucks. I loved his kind of radio until he stopped providing it - so to HELL with Stern! So here's to O&A! Until they suck monkey ass. Which hopefully will be NEVER. | ||||
| windowlck | posted on 06-07-2001 @ 12:32 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | Top. (just bringing this thread back to the top, because of the influx on New Listeners) "What are you gonna do?Release the dogs?! Or the bees?! Or dogs with bees in their mouth so that when they bark they shoot bees at you?" | ||||
| Vegeta | posted on 06-07-2001 @ 1:37 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | I fi see one more "Stern sucks" or "stern fears O&A" I'm going to puke Windowlick stries to clarify the relationship between the two shows and some people don't get it! Stern will not be battling O&A for ratings any time soon. He is an enemy who has indirectly turned into an ally. I would use a Dragonball Z metaphor, but only three people on this site watch anime. They work under the same boss and the only thing that's the problem is ego and miscommunication. Stern has said a lot of bad things about O&A and vice versa, but most of the fights are instigated by radiophiles who call up each show and say "so-and-so said this" Scratch Stern off the Enemies list- for now. He's no longer a problem. O&A have bigger fish to fry.  "Go fist yourself, useless bitch!" Screen name yotaruvegeta | ||||
| GOD of PHUK
| posted on 06-07-2001 @ 1:47 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | The biggest problem with Howard now is that HE IS NOT HUNGRY ANYMORE. He has always been an angry bastard, but his hunger for laughs, etc. used to keep him funny. Now he is too established and he lost his rebellious edge. O&A, on the other hand, are still hungry. They are different from Howard in the fact that Opie is really the only angry bastard there. But they are both looking for a good time, and they don't physically distance themselves from the guests like Coward does. Howard has his own booth, whereas O&A have a much more personal setting in the studio. Opie and Anthony are just much more laid-back and easygoing than Stern ever was, and they have just as much if not more talent. Great chemistry between them, their acknowledgement that the fanbase is the most important aspect of a radio show, and the rapport they have with comedians make them a jillion times better than Stern. The demarcation lies here: Stern has ALWAYS had a holier-than-thou attitude in everything he does. Opie and Anthony DO NOT. Perhaps they are more humble, or perhaps they are just smarter, but THAT is where the line between Stern and them lies. little newbie since 5-31-01 | ||||
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