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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 9:28 PM      
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Okay, in the wake of all the attacking that went on today, everyone wants to mobilize and get our revenge.

So I ask: Who, how, and will it do any good?

Do you think simply killing Osama bin Laden would put 10,000 families at ease? Or even his whole faction? I doubt that...

Does killing more people justify the people who have already been killed?

And do you think that destroying the terrorists that did this will deter OTHER terrorists? To this I say no - it will only cause MORE terrorism...

So... any thoughts?

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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 9:29 PM      
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A. No reckonized country would attack the US (its just plane dumb)

B. Only a group such as Bin Laddin's band of jolley fellows who are so radical, could do somthing like this.

C. Considering that they are so dispersed, an all out war would not work.




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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 9:30 PM      
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Bombs & missles.

Is there any other way you can do it?

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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 9:34 PM      
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quote:

C. Considering that they are so dispersed, an all out war would not work.


Exactly. You can't attack them everywhere. And if you do, you piss off countries that we're peaceful with. Not to mention finding all of them... not possible. And the ones you don't find.... well they go hijack another plane and aim for the Sears Tower, and get some buddies to aim at Empire State.

Attacking them only makes more of them attack you. There's no way to win here.... at least that's what I think...

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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 9:43 PM      
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If you dont have an actual state to call an enemy, there is no such thing as a war in the conventional use of the term.

Nothing will satisfy the blood lust that has arisen, but like most people I feel that something must be done, that this deed cannot go unpunished.

I think it is time for the world community, led by the US to begin working together through military & intelligence firms to seek and destroy these terrorist groups.


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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 9:48 PM      
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Why strike back? TO SHOW THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAS A FUCKING NUTSACK!! No one got in trouble after the boat thing, we need to show that we will stand up against the enemies and the allies. Sure we can't have conventional war but we need to show these people that there will be repercussions.


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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 9:49 PM      
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like i said before. we tell the five arab nations that are known to harbor terrorists that if they do not turn over every terrorist on a list we give them in 5 days, we will pulverize every major city in their country.

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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 9:51 PM      
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I think a key point is that not only the United States respond, but that NATO, the UN, and the rest of the Western Powers take steps even if only in token form to aid us in our searching and destruction of terrorist sects. This is not just an attack on the US, it is an attack on freedom and the free world. A message needs to be sent worldwide, the states of democracy must show solidarity and unity in facing this menace and challenge if it is to be successful and acheive its goals as a future deterrent.


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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 9:53 PM      
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I say we load up the planes, go over there & bitch slap the middle east off the face of the earth. Every country where the people wear tourbons or worship cows....done deal. then we won' have to worry about shit like this anymore.


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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 9:56 PM      
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quote:

I think it is time for the world community, led by the US to begin working together through military & intelligence firms to seek and destroy these terrorist groups.


Froy, that brings up another interesting question.... with such an intricate plan in place (four hijackings at one time does NOT just HAPPEN without a HUGE PLAN).... how did the intelligence agencies not know one fucking thing about it?

Or did they know, and not do anything? Why? To start a war, like Pearl Harbor?

quote:

Why strike back? TO SHOW THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAS A FUCKING NUTSACK!!


Dude, who do you strike?

Don't you think these terrorist groups have factions within our borders? If we're busy blowing up their homelands, they'll come out of hiding - WITHIN OUR COUNTRY, mind you - and go blow shit up!

Everyone's a fucking loser in this case. No one can win.... not the terrorists, and not the terrorized.

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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 9:57 PM      
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quote:

Does killing more people justify the people
who have already been killed?

Well, pfff... YEAH! It's capital
punishment...SQUARED!!! Don't "the usual suspects"
practice an eye for an eye... or is my cultural
ignorance showing? (That last question is
rhetorical.)



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This message was edited by NY_Cracker on 9-11-01 @ 9:59 PM
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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 10:01 PM      
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quote:

worship cows



You're thinking of India & the Hindus, not the Muslims.


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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 10:03 PM      
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No matter how many we kill, American's are still dead. A kid will still not have his parent. I'm pissed because this shit sould'nt of happened.
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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 10:29 PM      
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Hey FollowThisLogic,
If you bomb the countries that ALLOW these mother fuckers to practice the "craft" of killing,and really FUCK THEM UP GOOD,these animals will have no where to go to train and it will hurt their ability to KILL US!! No one can bring back the dead or the buildings but we CAN make these countries think twice about letting these monsters use their soil to train on. I never thought I would say this but I think we should use a nuclear bomb on Afganistan.They have given Bin Laden a home and a place to build his "army".
Afganistan is a large country with a lot of uninhabited land.The symbolic power of dropping a nuclear bomb on another county,even if it is not a very populated part of the country,would make other countries REALLY think about the consequences of helping these motherfuckers out."Holy shit...They nuked Afganistan!" Could you see another country saying "OK! Well come over here...we'll help you!"
Yah,We'd catch a lot of shit for using a nuke but THATS when we use the diplomatic bullshit to smooth it over.The response to this HAS to be HUGE! That would be HUGE.




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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 10:34 PM      
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That's the thing, man.... it's not any whole country, just a certain bunch of cocksuckers in that country.

Anyone who is FUCKED UP enough to fly a fucking plane into a building definitely has goddamn mental problems. That being said, I really doubt they'd be scared by a nuke attack - instead they'd become even MORE charged up.... even more anti-US and even more willing to go out, get in another plane, and crash it into 888 7th Ave somewhere between 3 and 7. Well, more likely a known landmark - something people will never forget.... like WTC was.

You've got to figure that the terrorist mind cares about nothing but their cause... they're not right in the head man.... shit like a nuke attack might scare YOU away, make you think twice.... but all THEY think is that America is so horrible that they hurt our men, so we will have to hurt them again....

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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 10:36 PM      
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quote:

these animals will have no where to go to train and it will hurt their ability to KILL US!!



The sad fact is that we (the CIA) trained and equipped Bin-Laden.

I have to agree that a dramatic show of force is necesary, but it will not solve the problem. We need a global effort to root out these elements swiftly and forcefully.


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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 10:41 PM      
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The last time an open act of war was EVER perpetrated on the US (an while todays events were terrorist attacks, they were terrorist attacks of WAR) WE responded with Nuclear force.. While you may feel that such a response this time will not be effective, if we do NOT show a dramatic response to this event it will encourage other groups that we are an easier target.
Do we honestly want this to happen again? Deterrants only deter when it's known they will be used.


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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 10:45 PM      
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Anthony, A nuke fucks alot of stuff up.
It would make that place a wasteland. I think a shit load of "dumb" bombs would do just fine in killing these people.
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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 10:49 PM      
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>>That's the thing, man.... it's not any whole country, just a certain bunch of cocksuckers in that country.<<

Dude,Afganistans government is allowing this fuck face to LIVE there and TRAIN there! The WHOLE country is now responsible.The people in the World Trade Center didn't make policy for the United States! THEY paid for the USAs policy in the mid east.NOW Afganistan MUST PAY for supporting this FUCK! Does it make us as bad as them? I don't give a shit! They started playing this type of game and you HAVE to do it better then them to win. On a MUCH smaller scale,I know what I'm talking about.


>>The sad fact is that we (the CIA) trained and equipped Bin-Laden.<<

Equipped him with what...OUR PLANES! He was fighting the Soviets and yah the CIA wanted him to fuck them up.He was trained as an ally.He turned,now that fuck and ALL the fucks who helped him have to eat it HARD!




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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 11:07 PM      
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>>Anthony, A nuke fucks alot of stuff up.
It would make that place a wasteland. I think a shit load of "dumb" bombs would do just fine in killing these people.<<

Tactical Nukes don't fuck as much shit up as you think.Low yield nukes do more sybolic damage then physical damage.The whole idea is for these terrorist countries to say "Holy shit! They nuked Afganistan!"





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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 11:10 PM      
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quote:

Equipped him with what...OUR PLANES!



I remember reading a report when the embassy bombings took place that the US channeled Bin Laden hundreds of thousands of dollars in arms.

Historically we educate our own enemies. Take Yammamoto or Castro for instance.

And Ant, there is another problem... if innocent civilians die in our attack, it will only instill more rage and determination into these groups. It will only serve to enhance their already sacred image of martyrdom.

Personally I hope we do hit them soon and hit them hard, but there is no quick solution.


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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 11:10 PM      
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By simply stating that no distinction will be made between those harboring the perpetrators and the perpetrators as well, Bush has taken one GIANT step in eradicating the threat of terrorism.. if most nations had that stance terrorists would have NO where to hide. NO country that would be willing to harbor terrorists unless they themselves were prepared to declare war.
And without a government to hide behind (and lets face it.. most terrorist attacks ARE silently supported by a government somewhere.. if they weren't said governments wouldn't harbor such people) what support could a terrorist have other than their co-conspirators.. they would have no place to go that was truly safe.


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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 11:16 PM      
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We can NOT hit civilian tagets.

As Gen. Schwartzkoff said today,"During Dessert Storm we went out of our way, to the point of putting our own people in danger, to avoid civilians. These BASTARDS today targeted a purely civilian target. That's the difference between us and them."

Find those responsible and destroy them and everything they hold dear. Between smart bombs, Special Forces, etc. all we need to know is where and when and there isn't a place on earth they can hide from our wrath. And we don't need to level whole neighborhoods to do it.

We can, however, take out every power plant, factory, shipping port, bridge, etc. in the entire country of our choice.

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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 11:19 PM      
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>>And Ant, there is another problem... if innocent civilians die in our attack, it will only instill more rage and determination into these groups. It will only serve to enhance their already sacred image of martyrdom.<<

How do we know THAT? We never tried it before! We're the only country the say "I'm sorry" When we nail a hospital or a school during fucking WAR! Our civies get killed no matter what we do! Froy,we got hit this time for what our government believes! They did this and we didn't kill ANYONE!!!! The "rage and determination" these fucks showed this time,in the WORSE terrorist act EVER had nothing to do with us killing any "innocent civilians"! They understand one thing and we have to show it to them like they never dreamed...just like they did to us today.We have the resorces, lets use them to make them feel a loss they could never imagine...just like they did to us today.




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posted on 09-11-2001 @ 11:23 PM      
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quote:

The last time an open act of war was EVER perpetrated on the US (an while todays events were terrorist attacks, they were terrorist attacks of WAR) WE responded with Nuclear force..


It took four years of war to repsond with that nuclear force. You make it sound like it was the next day....

The surrendered because we had shit that killed a LOT of people in one shot, and they didn't. Do you think they would have surrendered if they had known we didn't have any MORE nukes than just the two, and how long it took us to make those nukes at the time?

These days, a terrorist faction CAN get their hands on nukes... former Russian replublics might as well fucking sell them on eBay.

Blowing Afghanistan off the earth would solve Afghanistan, sure.... then Palestine attacks us.... blow them up, then Iraq attacks.... nuke 'em all.... Libya... Cuba.... China.... hell anyone and everyone.... more terrorists will keep popping up - even from within our damn borders!

Anyone think that think whole thing was conveniently overlooked by government agencies because Bush's retaliation will make him look strong like his father? Would you put it past our sick fucking government?

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