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| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 09-18-2001 @ 12:38 PM |    | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00  | Afghan Taliban Says Sees Holy War Against U.S. September 18, 2001 6:30 am EST KABUL (Reuters) - Afghanistan's ruling Taliban movement will launch a holy war against the United States, a senior cleric said on the Taliban's Voice of Shariat radio, warning Washington against attacking his country. Officials of the Islamic movement moved quickly to say that the deputy chairman of the Taliban Council of Ministers, Mullah Mohammad Hassan Akhond, was not in a position to declare a holy war, or jihad, and a final decision lay with a council of clerics due to convene this week. "I would like to tell my people that our jihad will be formally resuming against the Americans," Akhond said in a speech broadcast on the radio late on Monday and monitored by the BBC. Akhond's remarks reiterated a call from Mullah Mohammad Omar, spiritual leader of the purist Taliban movement, for holy war if the United States attacked. Officials said only a meeting of an estimated 1,000 of Afghanistan's clerics that is expected to be held in the capital, Kabul, on Wednesday or Thursday, could declare jihad. "Jihad will not be pronounced by the authorities of the Islamic Emirate (of Afghanistan), but by the ulema (clerics) and they have not begun their work yet," Taliban Information Minister Qudratullah Jamal told Reuters. "They are on their way, converging in Kabul and once they all gather here the meeting will start and they will take a decision about the whole situation," he said. Officials stressed that Akhond had not announced a jihad in the radio broadcast but had only said the call would become compulsory if the United States attacked Afghanistan. "This is not something new. A decision on whether jihad is a must or not and also the issue of Osama bin Laden are under discussion at the Shura (council) meeting of the clerics in Kabul," a spokesman for Akhond told the Afghan Islamic Press. Afghanistan's highest-ranking Islamic clerics on Tuesday postponed for at least one day their planned grand council meeting called to discuss what to do with Saudi-born militant Osama bin Laden, a Taliban official said. "The meeting will happen either tomorrow (Wednesday) or the next day," said a senior Taliban official who declined to be identified. Akhond said in the broadcast that it was unimaginable that the "terror attacks" against the World Trade Center and the Pentagon had been committed by the Taliban or by bin Laden. "But the USA and all imperialists in the world, Jews and Christians and their supporters are intending to destroy the Islamic order which has been established at the cost of your blood under this pretext," Akhond said. He warned the United States not to attack Afghanistan, a graveyard down the centuries for foreign armies, including the British in the 19th century and the Soviet Union in the 1980s. "It will be the path for the destruction of the American White House, the path for the destruction of NATO, the path for the annihilation of all cadres... of America and its allies," the radio broadcast quoted him as saying. Such a holy war would mark "the path for the liberation of Muslim countries which are living under American imperialism," he said in the radio broadcast. This message was edited by TeenWeek on 9-18-01 @ 12:42 PM | ||||
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| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 01 | dont we have the power to crush them at any time? "The Whole F'n Show" This message was edited by Rob Van Dam on 9-18-01 @ 12:44 PM | ||||
| CriticsLoveSnatch i know better than to ask for a status from you mean ol' mods I shall call him mini-FTL | posted on 09-18-2001 @ 12:47 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: AAHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA THAT IS SO LAME!! god damn for a country thats still living in the 17th century, they sure got a lot of balls.  and thinking's just too much to ask and you're measuring your minutes by a clock thats blinking eights | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 09-18-2001 @ 12:48 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Here is some more on this story.Defiant Taliban hit back as clerics stand by bin Laden KABUL, Sept 18 (AFP) - Afghanistan's ruling Taliban Tuesday told their people to be ready for a holy war as Islamic scholars gathering to decide Osama bin Laden's fate made it clear they would not hand over the man wanted "dead or alive" by the United States. The Islamic regime's army also unleashed a fierce offensive against their last opponents within the country in a bid to pre-empt US moves to strengthen them. The display of defiance from the Taliban came as their supporters in Pakistan mounted the biggest anti-American demonstration yet, heightening fears that any US attack on Afghanistan will have devastating implications for the stability of its neighbour. "Of course if there is an invasion of an Islamic country, there will be jihad against the invaders," a senior Taliban official told AFP as hundreds of Islamic clerics, or ulema, streamed into Kabul. "After the invasion jihad will be the only alternative and that is the obligation of Muslims." The ulema are expected Wednesday to begin a meeting which will consider whether to extradite bin Laden, who is suspected of orchestrating last week's terror attacks on New York and Washington and has been indicted in New York for the 1998 bombing of two US embassies in Africa. The Taliban have previously hinted they might give bin Laden up for trial in a neutral, preferrably Muslim, country. But the clerics arriving on Tuesday were in no mood for compromise. "Even if the whole of Afghanistan is devastated we won't hand him over until there is a solid proof against him," Mullah Mohammad Hassan, a representative of Paktika province told AFP. Another scholar, Mawlawi Abdul Zahir from the Bagram district of Kabul, added: "We are ready for to defend ourselves if the Americans attack us. "We have already defeated and taught a lesson to their British grandfathers and their Russian brothers," he said. In their biggest offensive in months, Taliban forces launched an attack in the northeastern province of Takhar in a bid to cut their opponents' key supply lines from neighbouring Tajikistan. Fierce fighting was still raging Tuesday, an opposition spokesman told AFP. The onslaught represents an attempt by the Taliban army to exploit last week's death of the opposition's charismatic commander Ahmad Shah Masood and cut their supply lines before the mountainous region's harsh winter sets in. If they succeed, the opposition forces could be eliminated before they have time to reap the benefit of an anticipated surge in support from the United States in the wake of last week's terror attacks. Ordinary Afghans were fleeing the main cities in fear of a US strike, with thousands massing near the Pakistani border. Those who stayed behind were becoming increasingly anxious over possible civil unrest or conflict between rival factions of the ruling Islamic militia. In neighbouring Pakistan, a crucial US partner for any attack on Afghanistan, hundreds of police and paramilitaries had to be deployed in the teeming port of Karachi to prevent more than 5,000 radical Islamic students marching on the US consulate. It was the largest anti-US demonstration in the current crisis and also the biggest since military ruler Pervez Musharraf seized power two years ago. Troops remained on alert but there was no movement out of barracks pending the outcome of the talks in Kabul, which Pakistan is desperately hoping will produce some sort of compromise. Pakistani radicals have vowed to join any Afghan jihad and warned the government that helping the US in any attack will mean civil war. Pakistan President Musharraf has promised his "unstinting cooperation" with any US action. But political leaders have warned him that this must stop short of letting Pakistan be used as the launching pad for an attack. "If the government agrees to let American ground troops into Pakistan there will be a hell of a reaction," a former senior army officer, retired Lieutenant-General K.M. Azhar, told AFP. The meeting of the ulema in Kabul had been due to start Tuesday but was delayed because many scholars had not been able to get to the city in time. The unexpected decision to seek a ruling from the scholars was announced by Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar after a high-level Pakistani delegation visited him Monday in the southeastern city of Kandahar, where bin Laden is also based. The ulema includes many non-Taliban scholars who could be prepared to countenance some sort of deal -- although any decision, or fatwa, will have to be approved by Omar, who is married to bin Laden's eldest daughter. A team led by the head of Pakistan's intelligence services, the Taliban's main backers, gave Omar a blunt warning Monday that the country could be bombed back to the stone age if bin Laden is not handed over. US President George W. Bush has warned that Americans will not rest until they secure justice. "There's an old poster out west that says, as I recall, 'Wanted dead or alive'," he said during a visit to the Pentagon, a target in last week's suicide attacks along with the World Trade Center in New York. The Taliban consider bin Laden an honored "guest" and have repeatedly rejected his extradition in the past, despite UN sanctions following the twin US embassy bombings in East Africa in 1998 which he is accused of masterminding. The last Afghan jihad was issued against the Soviet Union after its 1979 invasion of the country and resulted, a decade later, in the Red Army beating a humiliating retreat. | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 09-18-2001 @ 12:56 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | got this from an update on the NYPOST site. It basically says what the other 2 articles say but this was defintely a highlight not mentioned in the previous articles.quote: | ||||
| Unicron | posted on 09-18-2001 @ 1:17 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Mar. 01 | Good...then soon they will be all DEAD! | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 09-18-2001 @ 2:34 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Soviets to U.S. : You'll never win! MOSCOW (AP) -- The prospect of a U.S. attack on Afghanistan brings an ominous message from veterans of the Soviet Union's decade-long war with Afghan guerrillas: You'll never win. "You can occupy it, you can put troops there and keep bombing, but you cannot win," said Lt. Gen. Ruslan Aushev, who was decorated for bravery during the 1979-89 war. The Soviet Union's brutal conflict in the mountainous land helped bring about the superpower's collapse. The Soviet Union said it lost 15,000 troops in Afghanistan, and unofficial estimates are much higher. Moscow sent troops to Afghanistan to back a fledgling communist government against Islamic rebels supported by the United States. The Taliban militia who now rule most of the country have sheltered Osama bin Laden, whom the United States suspects of masterminding last week's terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Any nation sheltering bin Laden faces "the full wrath" of the United States, Vice President Dick Cheney said Sunday. But even if U.S. officials are certain bin Laden is in Afghanistan, it may be impossible to find him there, Aushev said in a telephone interview Tuesday from the Russian region of Ingushetia, of which he is president. "It's as easy to lose yourself in the mountains as in the jungle," he said. "They'll find him only if they're ready to go over 500,000 square kilometers (200,000 square miles) rock by rock." Renowned warriors, the people of Afghanistan have staved off many a foreign enemy. Like the Soviet Union and Britain, which attempted to conquer the country in the 19th century, the United States is destined to fail, Aushev said. "America doesn't want to kill 20 million Afghans," he said, implying that nothing short of genocide could win a war in Afghanistan. "No matter how they prepare for a ground operation, it is hopeless," said Yevgeny Zelenov, a member of the Russian parliament and a veteran of the Soviet war. U.S. troops would be facing a people who have learned to "sleep and live with their weapons," he said. After the Soviet occupation, violence among rival factions killed more than 50,000 people. And fighting between the Taliban, who preach the idea of holy war, and the northern-based opposition alliance has continued since the Islamic fundamentalist militia took power in 1996. But Alexei Arbatov, deputy chairman of the Russian parliament's defense committee, said U.S. officials have the advantage of Soviet experience as they plan their campaign. Moscow has amassed in-depth knowledge of Afghanistan's terrain and may still have valuable intelligence contacts that it could share with Washington. But the United States may be able to learn the most from Soviet mistakes, Arbatov said. "At a minimum, the experience of Russia in Afghanistan is already influencing the U.S. in the sense that the United States is not planning -- and I am convinced will never plan -- to bring in a big contingent of ground troops with the goal of occupying Afghanistan," he said at a news conference. But because of the abundance of hiding places, missile strikes without a ground operation are destined to be nothing but "noise, aimed at showing the government is doing something," Zelenov said. Khulkar Yusupov, who covered the Soviet war for the newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda, said he doubted the United States could pinpoint military targets and avoid heavy civilian casualties. During the Soviet war, Yusupov was most disturbed by the suffering among the already impoverished civilian population. "You can't just pinpoint one gorge there. If you hit one gorge, you hit all the nearby villages," he said.  | ||||
| brodieman | posted on 09-18-2001 @ 5:02 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | quote: Afghan Taliban Says Sees Holy War Against U.S. didnt we stop fighting holy wars back in 1000 a.d.??? how fucking out of date are these dirtbags living in their little sandbox of a country. FOR THOSE STILL MIA AT THE WTC...  "I can't believe the news today Oh, I can't close my eyes And make it go away..."-U2, Sunday, Bloody Sunday | ||||
| fbdlingfrg wow, my name looks odd without 5 lines of type below it in bold and purple and red G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Red Wings Captain Cecil JBA~Remove the Pick & Click NOW! | posted on 09-18-2001 @ 5:08 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote:psst...the first crusade started in 1095, and the last ended in 1270, although a few people claimed to still have crusades(these ones not sanctioned by the church)until 1669  | ||||
| Nana's Precious | posted on 09-18-2001 @ 5:20 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | quote: oh look, a target for our first bomb.............  "what, I thought we were all just having fun..." guardian of f_tarded | ||||
| brodieman | posted on 09-18-2001 @ 5:31 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | it was kind of a retorical question fbd :P but thanks anyway FOR THOSE STILL MIA AT THE WTC... "I can't believe the news today Oh, I can't close my eyes And make it go away..."-U2, Sunday, Bloody Sunday | ||||
| fbdlingfrg wow, my name looks odd without 5 lines of type below it in bold and purple and red G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Red Wings Captain Cecil JBA~Remove the Pick & Click NOW! | posted on 09-18-2001 @ 5:35 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | sorry...AP history classes make me want to correct stuff like that a bit too often | ||||
| New Fan | posted on 09-18-2001 @ 6:29 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 01 | Hello, Mr. Terrorist, Guess Who?-It’s me, the American you’re trying to kill. You Dont really know me or anyone like me. You’ve probably never been to my country. You’ve never been to my state. You’ve never been to my town. You’ve never seen my house. You’ve never met me or seen my family. However, you hate me - and, you’re trying your best to kill me. And, you’re trying to kill my wife. And, you’re trying to kill my children. And, you’re trying to do it because we’re American. And, so far, it’s been to easy. But, Mr. Terrorist, you have a problem. You see, I work 60 to 80 hours a week to make a living. And, I work very hard- day in, and day out I work. And, I do this year in, and year out. Decade, after decade, I work. And, I’m angry that a big portion of what I make each day goes to my government. That’s because my money goes to pay for things I don’t care about. However, right now I’m working extra hard for something I really want. You see, Mr. Terrorist, I’m working hard to kill you. And, as luck would have it, I’ve elected people who have the balls to get it done. So, take a good look around the cave you’re sitting in right now, because, Mr. Terrorist, you’ll not see much more before the lights go out. And(just so you know), here’s how I’ll get it done. First, I’ll try to find you. But, if I don’t find you, who cares? I’ll get bored looking for you and begin to deal with your friends who have helped you. You know- the people who provide you with money, training areas, resources, and weapons. And here is what I’ll do to them. I’ll let them know that when they’re are tired of their ports. power plants, airports, factories, homes, railroads, bridges, highways, office buildings, radio stations, and places being pulverized to dust by American weapons, they can give you up and the carnage will stop. But until then, they can look forward to having their personal assets frozen, their products embargoed, their oil wells set ablaze, and their goods outlawed. I would bet(snicker) they’ll give you up sooner or later(I do have lots of bombs you know). Or better yet, they will kill you for me and save me some money. Either way is fine - I don’t really care. In either case, you have helped me begin the end of your craft as you know it. You see, you didn’t get to know me before you tried to kill me- and that was a mistake. You thought I was decadent, stupid, afraid, and cowardly. Well, you were wrong, Mr. terrorist. You see, I am a small part of 5 billion people in the world who now want you dead. And, unfortunately for you, I am not some barefoot, toothless, and penniless peasant living in some ****-hole corner of the world. Nor am I one of the illiterate human garbage gleefully dancing with a burning US flag celebrating your actions. No, I am the one who is normally tolerant of other cultures, beliefs, and ideologies. I am the one who always rescues the world from the tyrant. I am the one who drives a truck, teaches school, and builds homes. I am the faceless American sitting in my living room. And, I am the one who will do my best to ensure that you have the opportunity very soon to sit in front of Allah for judgment. Dress for a warm climate you pig. God Bless America One faceless American to one faceless terrorist Sorry to post this twice but its how i feel  Forgotten but not gone(Im still here-God damn it) | ||||
| okterrific23 | posted on 09-18-2001 @ 11:05 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 00 | Afghanistan is full of nothing. They virtually have no military. The whole country is a full of mountains and desert. People there still live without plumbing or power. They are nothing but a third world country harbouring Osama Bib Laden. wanted 
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| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Aug. 01 | quote: Dork. :)  | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 09-19-2001 @ 2:54 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | My God can kick your Gods ass "For all we have and are, for all our children's fate, stand up and take the war, the Hun is at the gate!" --- Rudyard Kipling She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| suicidalsteve | posted on 09-19-2001 @ 3:58 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | the article teenweek posted pretty much sums up the one thing i'm worried about. i mean russia couldnt take them out for 10 years. and i know the situation is very very different now considering the circumstances, but short from blowing every last inch of that country up, it's gonna be pretty damn hard to kill that waste of life bin laden. and we better kill that fuck cause if we dont i'd hate to see what sick fucking shit he'd plan to get his revenge on us. | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 09-19-2001 @ 6:55 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | I was watching CBS last night and they did a special on Chemical weapons, like Anthrax and other stuff. They were saying if they used chemical weapons it could kill hundreds of thousands of people. They also said how unprepared we are for a chemical attack. | ||||
| fbdlingfrg wow, my name looks odd without 5 lines of type below it in bold and purple and red G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Red Wings Captain Cecil JBA~Remove the Pick & Click NOW! | posted on 09-19-2001 @ 1:53 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote:no...nerd | ||||
| NewYorkDragons80 | posted on 09-19-2001 @ 4:14 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Nov. 00 | There are many reasons for Russia's loss to the Afghan's. 1) They had no reason to fight. Their nation was never attacked. This was Russia's Vietnam. The military participating in the attack didn't feel the same attachment to Afghanistan as we do to the Pentagon and the Twin Towers. 2) Their army was never known for its strength. Its only power is in its numbers. They are a poorly trained unit that's only claim to fame was having a lot of members. 3) This war is THE WORLD VS. THE THIRD WORLD. The Soviets had a limit of what they could use against Afghanistan. They were fighting a United States-backed force. We will fight a country that stands alone. "THOSE BASTARDS" -Norman Schwartzkoff “May God bless us in this trial, comfort us, strengthen our resolve, and make our justice as terrible and certain as His.†-Senator John McCain | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 09-20-2001 @ 9:58 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Muslims eat the stars and stripes FROM MICHAEL DYNES IN PESHAWAR FRENZIED protesters in Peshawar set fire to the American flag, then ripped it apart and ate the smouldering remnants yesterday in the latest of a series of demonstrations to erupt in the turbulent North West Frontier Province. Chanting “Death to America — long live Osama,†supporters of Jamit Ulema Islam, one of the region’s biggest pro-Taleban parties, gathered at the central mosque in the city’s ancient Namak Mandi commercial district, warning of “terrible consequences†if Pakistan supported US retaliatory strikes against Afghanistan. The rally coincided with reports from refugees of large numbers of Taleban fighters massing on the Pakistan’s western border near Jalalabad, and the explosion of a powerful bomb on the border with India in which six people were killed and scores injured, adding to the mounting tension and anxiety that is sweeping the lawless province. Bin Laden is thought to have a key base in the Hada Farms region on the western edge of Jalalabad, and a network of camps used by Arab volunteers in his al-Qaeda terror network lies close to the city. The region is one of a series seen by local Afghans as potential US targets. Hundreds of armed police and security forces personnel, carrying tear gas grenades, batons and riot shields, lined the streets as the demonstrators ran through the old city shouting: “The US must die.†| ||||
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