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| hornygoatweed I've Got A Vagina With Teeth. G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Dragoon Battalion My friends call me Weed | posted on 03-08-2002 @ 9:59 AM |    | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01  | I ran across this article on MSN.COM this morning. To summarize it - quote: Personally, I feel this is unnecessary and an infringement on my right as a consumer to do what I please with a product that I purchase. The RIAA keeps whining about lack-luster CD sales, and the "explosion" of black-market music trading (better known as Napster and its cousins) as being the #1 culprit responsible for those low sales numbers. Sure, I've used Napster and several other file-sharing services to get free tunes (as well as progs, porn, etc.) but for someone to tell me that the CD I just bought cannot be copied seems a little too "big-brother" to me. Plus from what the article says it seems these special CD's have run into playback problems on some people's players, leading me to believe that if you own an older CD player you might not even be able to listen to it unless you buy a newer one - no doubt a perfect way for electronics manufacturers to boost prices on their new lines of CD players ("Can play encrypted CD's". What amazes me more and more is how these record companies and even Hollywood keep complaining about losing money every which way they turn, but recording artists and movie stars keep getting huge amounts of cash for contracts and movie roles - so where's the poverty? Not to mention CD consumer prices are still in the range of at least $15 - $18 on average, and the price of a movie ticket is up to $10!! Maybe music sales would pick up if there was actually real music to buy, and not pre-packeged synthetic teenie-bop all-about-looks-and-no-substance teen/adolescent music flooding the market. What's your take on this?  You can reach me through AIM or email. Feel free to contact me if you have any board questions, techie (PC) questions, or even if you just wanna chat.
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| CarsonOGin Froy seems ok, Faceman is fair. But Slash is a cunt, FTL is a total soccer mom, JoeyBigArms thinks he's a fucking message board god. | posted on 03-08-2002 @ 10:15 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Dec. 01 | quote: I imagine it will take them a few years to design and implement this technology. And it will take the cDc about a day to break the security, or have a work around for it. I'm not extremely worried.  | ||||
| hornygoatweed I've Got A Vagina With Teeth. G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Dragoon Battalion My friends call me Weed | posted on 03-08-2002 @ 10:25 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | It's not that I'm worried. Digital music is far from being stopped in any way. I just don't like the idea of being told I can't copy a song or a CD that I legally own because I might think about trading it with someone online. A also have a problem with the industry blaming shitty sales on file-swapping, and saying their broke when the reality of it is there's tons of money going around. The problem isn't people trading the music - the problem is people not wanting to pay for the music because it sucks. You can reach me through AIM or email. Feel free to contact me if you have any board questions, techie (PC) questions, or even if you just wanna chat.
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| OAAWITE | posted on 03-08-2002 @ 10:27 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | You have no rights as a consumer. The people who are selling the product have every right to change the product any way they want. They can make it so you can't copy it, they can make it so if you try and play it on a computer it erases all your MP3s. As long as these changes to the technology in their product are known to the consumer before they buy it, then the seller can do whatever they want. Becuase if I don't like how they have changed their product, I won't buy it. If you like a CD so much that you want to buy it, you have to play by the seller's rules. Consumers have no rights nor should they (beyond safety, privacy, and health obviously) since the free market is all the rights a consumer needs. Don't like it; don't buy it. That being said, any security the RIAA makes will be broken in days, so it doesn't really matter. I steal music, porn, software, and the likes just like everyone else. But at least acknowledge that you know what you are doing is wrong, and that it's not a right.  New Poster with a question? Reach me through ICQ This message was edited by OAAWITE on 3-8-02 @ 10:34 AM | ||||
| Mike Rotch | posted on 03-08-2002 @ 11:23 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | I don't agree with you at all. We, as consumers, have a right to copy our cd's for our own personal use. I don't have a CD burner anymore, but I still put my music on my hard drive. When I'm at work and there's dead air on between Sports Guys and O&A, I like to listen to CD's. It's incredibly inconvenient for me to haul all my CD's to and from work. I put them all on my computer and listen through RealJukebox, which allows me to listen to different bands and shit without changing discs. That shouldn't be taken away from me. Plus, anyone with an MP3 player should be allowed to listen to the music they purchased in whatever way they choose. This whole idea is ridiculous. It would be like installing something in cars to keep us from going over the speed limit. Using technology like this is just one step closer to having a camera in every room and waking us up to do our morning exercises while someone monitors our vitals.  Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. A non-functining mind is Clinically dead. Believe in nothing... | ||||
| Mike Rotch | posted on 03-08-2002 @ 11:23 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | I didn't double post. Wasn't me. Nope. No way. Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. A non-functining mind is Clinically dead. Believe in nothing... This message was edited by Mike Rotch on 3-8-02 @ 11:34 AM | ||||
| Jack Meehoff Teh funny blah blah absent blah blah teh blah | posted on 03-08-2002 @ 11:43 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02 | There is already a way around this. Put CD into CD player, hook up cable from line out/headphone jack to line in/microphone jack on computer, play cd, push record button on software on computer. With today's Audio technology, anyone with 200 bucks can pick up a Sound Blaster Audigy and the necessary cables needed to do this. I would even go as far as saying that their wouldn't be much of a loss in audio quality if there is any at all.  | ||||
| PeterDragon | posted on 03-08-2002 @ 11:48 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Oaawite, not true. consumers have certain rights. quote: Congress has enacted certain laws, which have been upheld, giving consumers certain rights to copy items for personal use. The original law goes back to the days of albums & cassettes. Personally I won't buy anything that won't at least allow me to make a personal copy for my mp3 player. I have several, and have ripped stuff that I bought on cd because it is more convenient for me. For example I have a tdk mp3 discman, and I can put many albums on 1 cd, which is more convenient that disc swapping. I also have an mp3 player that fits into my handspring. Any company that wants to copy protect its item better figure out a good way to allow me to put it on those mp3 players, or I won't buy any of their items.  This message was edited by PeterDragon on 3-8-02 @ 10:46 PM | ||||
| OAAWITE | posted on 03-08-2002 @ 12:13 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | consumers SHOULD NOT have any "rights" demanding that sellers develop their product to make it "more convenient" to listen to or use. If the seller doesn't want to do that, then as the producer, the have the RIGHT to make that decision. Consumers only right is the freewill that they use in the decision of whether or not they make the purchase. As long as the product is safe, and marketed truthfully, consumers should have no rights beyond that. That's the basis of Capitalism: freemarket supply and demand. If consumers hated this "no-protect" CD so much, then they wouldn't purchase any of them, and the companies would be forced to either re-evaluate their stance, or go out of business. it's that simple. Slice any way you want, we consumers should have no claim on how other people make their products. New Poster with a question? Reach me through ICQ | ||||
| Joey1120 SHOW ME MULE!!!! | posted on 03-08-2002 @ 12:17 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02 | I read this story in Visit this WebsiteNewsweek and photocopied it for my boyfriend since he's involved in the audio industry. You know what? I hate that they want to lock CDs. Yeah, a lot of it is pirated and I will even admit to listening to a couple of pirated CDs, or rather, I own a few dubbed CDs that I don't have the originals for. But, the bulk (probably 240 out of 250) are original disks that I purchased. The thing is that even if I have a dub for a while, I end up going out to buy the actual CD because, well, I like to have the real thing and I like to be able to look at the covers. My friends and I share, so what. I understand that musicians and industry professionals need to make a living and pay for marketing and yadda yadda. I'm not disputing that at all. They should be compensated. But, when they start whining that hundreds of millions of dollars just isn't enough for them because they're loosing a few million from people copying CDs, it just isn't a good argument. Actually, I think CD copying helps spread the word about bands without the cost of extensive marketing. As I said, I usually buy the CD if I like the dub a lot. For instance, my boyfriend gave me a dub of Linkin Park...I loved it...I went out and bought the real CD and gave the dub to my neighbor, who bought the real CD, and passed the dub along. Joey #10 in the Naughtiest Nightie Contest • Email Me Thought and Emotion - Here's my personal writing and fun site Searching to find a love up on a higher level | ||||
| Bloody Anus P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal HYBRID THINKS I'M A GENIUS | posted on 03-08-2002 @ 2:14 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jul. 00 | I have about 600 albums, and don't remember the last time I actually bought a CD. Yeah yeah I know downloading free music is 'stealing' and is wrong, but I really don't care. All I'm doing is taking advantage of the technology that exists which allows me to save $10,000 on not spending money on CD's anymore, while still being able to enjoy listening to new music all the time. Why would I spend $15-$20 on something that I could just as easily get for free? | ||||
| o&aswallow | posted on 03-08-2002 @ 2:26 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Bottom line is no you do not have a right to do with it want you want just because you bought it. You have a right to listen to it as often as you like, play it for whomever you like and destroy it if and when you choose to or give it as a gift or loan it to someone. Copying that CD is illegal. Yes everyone does it but the artist has a right to stop you from doing it. If you copy the CD you are doing it for one of two reasons. One is that you may not have a CD player in your car or a portable CD (walkman) to listen to it outside of your house. If you copy it for that purpose only, a court would not find you guilty. The second reason you are copying it is to give to someone else or to use it for some purpose other than the intent of the artist. That is illegal. Yes everybody does it and will continue, but don't deny the artist their rights if they choose to excercise them. And the argument of well I can record off the radio so what's the difference? The difference is that seldom is the entire CD played on the radio. And when it is the artist receives a royalty. Copying from a CD to give to others, earns the artist nothing. American Patriot, Pennsylvania resident, but original NYC listener. | ||||
| PeterDragon | posted on 03-08-2002 @ 10:47 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: And the reason is not their good heart - it is based on law - at least for copying onto cassettes. This is considered "Fair use", and also applies to taping TV shows on VCRs. quote: That is why royalties are paid for blank tapes. It is true that it has not definitely been extended to digital media (nor has it been explicitly denied) There are two different issues. Distributing copied material without express written consent is a crime. copying material you purchased for your own use is protected by law. The issue becomes, how do companies protect their right to prevent distribution without impairing our current right to make personal copy? This message was edited by PeterDragon on 3-8-02 @ 11:23 PM | ||||
| AlterEgoManiac | posted on 03-10-2002 @ 12:29 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | quote: Ummmm...... If we're not supposed to go over the speed limit, why the HELL aren't these things in our cars already? I wouldn't have a problem with it. It would be one less thing for the cops to harass us about. It rubs the lotion on its skin. It does this whenever it's told. Use all your well-learned politesse, or I'll lay your soul to waste. | ||||
| Filzy Stand up straight Stomach in Shoulders back SOUND OFF!!! | posted on 03-10-2002 @ 4:38 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | If the Record companies want to prevent digital piracy and add a security measure, they should put some neat little extras, like bonus tracks, or even a CD-ROM interactive bonus. Also knocking down the prices would help. However, as a consumer this suggestion will only fall on corporates deaf ears.  "I'm proud that I've never had a drug problem or complained that sucess sucks and shot myself like Kurt Cobain did. Sorry, but sucess is something people like me dream about. ~Chuck Schuldiner b.05-13-67 d.12-13-01 R.I.P. [Email]Filzy_metz@hotmail.com[/Email] | ||||
| Snoteater | posted on 03-10-2002 @ 6:20 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | If they are that worried about getting money in the hands of the artist then why are they getting rid of Singles? These are the best way for the public to sample the music of an artist and for the artist to get paid for it. (i saw this on MSN this morning, but it disappeared into blackhole that is the MSN website) I won't go out and buy a whole cd and spend $15 to$20 if i have only heard one song. The rest of the CD is usually crap if the artist is only a one hit wonder. | ||||
| Joey1120 SHOW ME MULE!!!! | posted on 03-11-2002 @ 5:02 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02 | quote: It would strip us of our free will and what could we do in the event of an emergency where we must rush our son or daughter to the hospital because they're blue from choking? But we can only drive 35 mph. Joey #10 in the Naughtiest Nightie Contest • Email Me Thought and Emotion - Here's my personal writing and fun site Searching to find a love up on a higher level | ||||
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