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| bluetarp | posted on 05-13-2001 @ 10:34 AM |    | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01  | Along the lines of what Adolescentmasturbator mentioned in the abortion thread. Drugs is one. I've always had a problem reasoning out why drugs are illegal. If they were made legal, like alcohol, than quality controls could be established. Driving under the influence, or operating dangerous equipment would still be against the law. It goes back to many of my past posts about personal responsibility. Another side of it is jail. Putting those who's crime is victimless in jail. Even if drugs are illegal, I don't understand putting users in jail, unless they have committed a different crime. Wouldn't a rehab stint be better? And again, I hope to keep this civil.  Inquiring minds want to know! | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 05-13-2001 @ 10:42 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | This might be a bit long.... Abortion is legal(and im all for it) because of the 4th amendment, the right ot privacy. They made it legal because it is your own body. The government has no business telling people which chemicals they can put in their body. It is the exact same argument. Why is this because the victimless crime lobby is definitely not as strong as the abortion lobby. Also if we are a country of users that might decrease work productivity and increase happiness but we can't let that happen because we live in a Capitalist society. Now I would never do Heroin but I have no business telling people what they can and cannot do. Also a lot of the drug overdoses are because of chances in the potency of the drugs bought. Therefore if the government regulated it less deaths would occur. The drugs would be taxed to give money for something useful like Universal Healthcare instead of the futile Drug War. This would cause the supply of drugs to come down because of not as much profit for the dealers. Then prices would go up for the drugs. It is basic supply & demand theory. Before 1914 all drugs were legal because common agreement was that the Constitution upheld their legality. Then the temperance movement came and created the now illegal Tax Stamp Act in which you had to have a stamp to have drugs but the government would not give out the stamps. Another point of the law was that you needed to have the drugs to get the stamp so you were already admitting guilt. The Temperance movement then went on to ban alchohol and we all saw how that worked. These are just a few reasons why we should legalize drugs.  Email me at sticksituation22@yahoo.com or pinkorag@yahoo.com IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag | ||||
| mikeWOW | posted on 05-13-2001 @ 11:28 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | drugs are cool "i hate people that dont get it!" | ||||
| Jolene'78 | posted on 05-13-2001 @ 11:45 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | It's true that making the drugs legal does not cause extra trouble. I see that here in my country. Weed is legal...kinda...You can use it, You can carry a certain amount of it, and you can just smoke it in the what we call here "Coffee-shops". They are now debating here about XTC, and weather or not they should put it on the Softdrugs list, wich makes it legal. I believe that would be a good move, cause then you can be really sure there is pure MDMA in the pil...and nothing else. MDMA was legal in the old days, psychiatrists used it as an anti depresive (if thats the word?) People should be able to decide for themselves if they want to use it or not and if it's legal it's "saver" in a way. Thats all. Have you ever had that typical dutch feeling...."Have I That???" | ||||
| HardCoreDave (TvvisTofFaTe) | posted on 05-13-2001 @ 11:49 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | WEEEED! AIM: Tv v ist of FaTe "some people jus need a ruthless beating!" for wrestling news http://bounce.to/NwF Sam Adams-"theres no beer in the food, but theres food in the beer" | ||||
| Jolene'78 | posted on 05-13-2001 @ 11:56 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | Yup! and pretty dawm good too... + nice to know, if the cops here ask you if they can go through your pockets and you say NO, they can go fuck themselves...but they cannot frisk you! This sooo Rules... :) Have you ever had that typical dutch feeling...."Have I That???" | ||||
| bluetarp | posted on 05-13-2001 @ 12:36 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | I didn't really mean to restrict this to just drugs. Should it be a crime to not wear your seatbelt? Any other stupid victimless crimes? Inquiring minds want to know! | ||||
| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 05-13-2001 @ 12:48 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00 | It is a crime to not wear your seatbelt--unless that cop that pulled me over was an insane rogue officer like in that MST short Eliza Dushku- Hotter Than Britney Read my column at Foundry Or go to my O&A sound site | ||||
| DaYellowJuandasun | posted on 05-13-2001 @ 12:59 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | a little heroine and coke never killed anyone! "listen mister if you shut up i'm gonna kick 100%of your ASS!!" | ||||
| Jolene'78 | posted on 05-13-2001 @ 1:23 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | Prostitution, it's a crime with victoms if you don't legalize it I think. Now you have heroine-whores and what not that carry all kinds off diseases. Legalize it. Red light districts are common here, the girls are clean and legal citizens, the ones that are not are arrested. The ones that are outside the "legal prostitution'area are arrested. Have you ever had that typical Dutch feeling...."Have I That???" | ||||
| Kim | posted on 05-13-2001 @ 4:03 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Is prostitution a "Victimless Crime"? These women are the victims and the laws that govern this country victimize them even more! quote: Just thought I'd share some facts I looked up on prostitution. It should also be noted that quote: Prostitution isn't the profession that these women (and sometimes men) had dreams about as children. They are forced into it because of lack of education and job skills. Most woman resort to this profession because of no other viable alternatives. Decriminalizing it isn't a permanent solution. We need to make available to these woman resources that will allow them to learn job skills and secure jobs. If a drug rehabilitation program is needed that should be available as well. Instead of wasting taxpayer dollars on arresting and incarcerating these women why not put the money into education?  | ||||
| Spuds_Buckley | posted on 05-13-2001 @ 5:24 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | I believe that not wearing your seat belt is now, or is about to become, a primary offense. This means a cop can pull you over for not wearing your seat, as opposed to the old way in which you had to get pulled over for speeding or something like that, then you could get hit up for a no seat belt ticket God is my favorite fictional character! | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 05-13-2001 @ 6:16 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Failure to wear a seatbelt isn't a victimless crime if you get into an accident. Seatbelts can make the difference between a crappy little accident and a deadly one - think about it. If the belt holds you in your seat instead of you flying forward, smashing your head on the windsheild and your chest on the steering wheel, then shouldn't you want to wear it? And those of you who say how uncomfortable it is.... excuses, excuses. If you just wear the thing for a while, it's not so bad. Just get used to it. Jolene rules. It really is true though - once something is legal, it can be regulated to make it safe. This is done with marijuana and prostitution over there.... and there are no complaints. Legalizing something also reduces the desire to do it. You may think I'm crazy, but think about it for a minute - when is it more fun to get drunk? Before you turn 21 or after? Before, of course. Most people turn 21 and it just becomes a social thing, part of life. Beer with dinner, whatever. But before you turn 21 it's all about going to a party and getting smashed. That's what the parties are FOR at that age. You might get smashed when you're over 21, but your party isn't an excuse to drink like it is when you're under 21. Same could go for pot, if it was legal.... now, while it's illegal, people do it to get high out of their heads.... granted, as with alcohol, there will still be people that get smashed anyway, but it could also be used for a little relaxant at the end of a shitty day. I'll be in Amsterdam (though only for one day) in July, and I think it should be an interesting time...  Me droogies: Two positions currently available. This message was edited by FollowThisLogic on 5-13-01 @ 6:28 PM | ||||
| Spuds_Buckley | posted on 05-13-2001 @ 6:58 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | I was in Amsterdam earlier this summer for a couple of weeks. I so wanted to go into a coffee shop and smoke a J, just because I could. Holy shit...I just realized my vacation to Amsterdam was almost a year ago. Damn how the time flies! Oh well...looks like I'll just have to back to drowning my sorrows in beer. God is my favorite fictional character! This message was edited by Spuds_Buckley on 5-13-01 @ 7:03 PM | ||||
| bluetarp | posted on 05-13-2001 @ 7:00 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Prostitution is a very complex issue. It isn't victimless, when pimps are keeping them hooked on drugs, to keep them from thinking about what they are doing. I know many movie stereotypes about it may not be true. I have never partaken of that service, but when it is done like it is out west in Nevada, I am convinced it can't be all bad. My problem with seatbelt laws, is the government believing they must protect us from our selves. Just like sodemy laws in the south. Men have been jailed, because during divorce proceedings, it came out they had performed oral sex on their wives. Big Brother needs to be kicked in the nuts. Inquiring minds want to know! | ||||
| Is Don on the phone? | posted on 05-13-2001 @ 8:10 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | I believe that most people do not see the hidden costs of many of these "victimless" crimes. Take, for instance, seatbelts and motorcycle helmets. Those who choose not to obey these laws, and then rack up their vehicle suffer more significant injuries and/or die of their injuries. This neccesitates an EMS/Fire/Police response and investigation, as well as causing more traffic for gawkers to peer at the wreckage, increasing CO levels in the air, and, of course, a leak of gasoline into the sewer system. Don't get me started on dope...  AIM:isdononthephone | ||||
| Jolene'78 | posted on 05-14-2001 @ 3:47 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | Kim,I understand that these woman (and men) did probably not dream of a "career" in prostitution. But over here (nl) the prostitutes pay taxes just like any other person who has a job...These prostitutes are registered prostitutes if you will. They are legal. quote: Damn that is alot! There are not even that many people where I live. I agree it's not victemless if there are pimps who keep the prostit. Hooked. All I am saying is I see how it is here and it seems alot better than everything I see and hear about what goes on there. Have you ever had that typical Dutch feeling...."Have I That???" | ||||
| FeelMyFunBags | posted on 05-14-2001 @ 9:09 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | There really are no crimes that are completely victimless. If drugs were made legal, they would become easier for children to use. Its bad enough that kids start smoking and drinking at a young age because stores and parents are irresponsible, but just imagine how messed up kids could be if they had even easier access to drugs. Alcohol and Nicotine are already addictive enough, but drugs cause impairment and damage brain cells. That is why they should and will continue to remain illegal. As far as prostitution goes, I wrote a 30 page thesis on this subject last semester for a women's studies class I was taking, and have come to the conclusion that the only people who get hurt are the women, regardless of the legality. No woman wants to degrade herself to the point of being a total sexual object, women are drawn to prostitution because of circumstances, etc. Rather than making prostitution legal, maybe we should just make a college education easier.....  All I've undergone I will keep on Underneath it all We feel so small The heavens fall But still we crawl All I've undergone I will keep on | ||||
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