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adolescentmasturbator
posted on 08-16-2001 @ 7:06 AM      
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Am I the only one on this board that thinks that these organizations and agreements such as the WTO, NAFTA, the FTAA, and MAI will ultimately end up terribly.

It has already been shown that coporations will use these corporations for their own advantage while leaving the middle and low classes in the dust.

For example ever since NAFTA came in place 8 million Mexicans have gone from middle class to poverty. Mexican farmers have been driven out by large farms brought in by the US. US workers have been fired and most re-hired but at less they used to get. Unsafe Mexican trucks will be able to go into this country.

Under these agreement corporations can sue the government for "limiting their profits" and get your taxpayer money. It has already happened.

The list goes on and on. It ranges from enviromental concerns to labor issues to safety issues. These agreements can touch every aspect of our lives.

The media portrays the protestors as silly anarchist when the violent anarchists(yes the minority within the anarchists) are an extreme minority. Yet we don't talk about how Italian police stormed into where they were sleeping and lined them aganist the wall and pissed on them while singing fascist hymns.

This is a huge threat. Yet no one seems to care except people on the far left.

Oh this just in dick jokes on CNN.



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weinie
posted on 08-16-2001 @ 7:59 AM      
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The true problem with Globalization is that it has yet to be democratized. The leaders who attend these summits, are not necessarily democratically elected. In addition, they are strongly influenced by corporatations who have a financial stake. It is as if a single "world governement" is being organized to determine all of our fates without its members being elected by us and without the requirement of being accountable to us.

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bluetarp
posted on 08-16-2001 @ 9:27 AM      
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I do not have difficulty in making agreements with other countries for free trade. I do have a huge problem when the agreements make us swear loyalty to outside governing bodies. The UN and WTO are 2 (TWO) prime examples. They are nothing but a bunch of One world order, socialistic morons who wouldn't recognize capitalism if it wraped itself around a 10 foot wide broom and rammed itself up each and every one of their asses till they bled to death. May I recommend a book that although I know is a bit extreme, but it states much about this style of governence. Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged.


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YerMomsBox
posted on 08-16-2001 @ 2:58 PM      
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Registered: Oct. 00
quote:

The true problem with Globalization is
that it has yet to be democratized


That's true and it's probably b/c corporations
aren't democratic entities. I also agree w/ the
first post about how these agreements will
eventuall lead to environmental disasters as
well as causing the poor to become poorer.
I've read that NAFTA alone has driven up our
trade deficit w/ Mexico and it has caused a
couple hundred thousand American workers
to lose their jobs.

It seems to me that when environmental
activiests and union workers can come
together to fight for a common cause, there is
a serious problem w/ these trade
agreements.

Josh


adolescentmasturbator
posted on 08-16-2001 @ 5:27 PM      
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quote:

They are nothing but a bunch of One world order, socialistic morons who wouldn't recognize capitalism if it wraped itself around a 10 foot wide broom and rammed itself up each and every one of their asses till they bled to death.


The WTO is the pinaccle acheivement of capitalism. The goal is to create a global system of capitalism that supercedes governments. I have never seen such agreements touch so many different issues.

Example, under the FTAA pharmaceutical companies can stop smaller companies in say South America from producing a generic version of their drug that is cheaper. This means the poor would get less medical benefits because of copyright infrigement.



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posted on 08-16-2001 @ 5:42 PM      
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quote:

The goal is to create a global system of
capitalism that supercedes governments.

Don't you think that already exists? I do.



This message was edited by The Painter on 8-16-01 @ 5:44 PM
adolescentmasturbator
posted on 08-20-2001 @ 1:44 AM      
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Here is some more news on the New World Order.

quote:

European leaders have ordered police and intelligence agencies to co-ordinate their efforts to identify and track the anti-capitalist demonstrators whose violent protests at recent international summits culminated in the shooting dead by police of a young protester at the Genoa G8 meeting last month.

The new measures clear the way for protesters travelling between European Union countries to be subjected to an unprecedented degree of surveillance.

Confidential details of decisions taken by Europe's interior ministers at talks last month show that the authorities will use a web of police and judicial links to keep tabs on the activities and whereabouts of protesters. Europol, the EU police intelligence-sharing agency based in The Hague that was set up to trap organised criminals and drug traffickers, is likely to be given a key role.

The plan has alarmed civil rights campaigners, who argue that personal information on people who have done no more than take part in a legal demonstration may be entered into a database and exchanged.

Calls for a new Europe-wide police force to tackle the threat from hardline anti-capitalists were led after the Genoa summit by Germany's Interior Minister, Otto Schily. Germany has long pushed for the creation of a Europe-wide crime-fighting agency modelled on the FBI.

Germany's EU partners rejected Mr Schily's call, judging that a new force to combat political protest movements was too controversial, but ministers agreed to extend the measures that can be taken under existing powers. Central to the new push is the secretive Article 36 committee (formerly known as the K4 committee) and the Schengen Information System, both of which allow for extensive contact and data sharing between police forces.

Under the new arrangements, European governments and police chiefs will:

* Set up permanent contact points in every EU country to collect, analyse and exchange information on protesters;

* Create a pool of liaison officers before each summit staffed by police from countries from which "risk groups" originate;

* Use "police or intelligence officers" to identify "persons or groups likely to pose a threat to public order and security";

* Set up a task force of police chiefs to organise "targeted training" on violent protests.

The new measures will rely on two main ways of exchanging police information. The Schengen Information System, which provides basic information, and a supporting network called Sirene - Supplementary Information Request at the National Entry. This network (of which Britain is a member) allows pictures, fingerprints and other information to be sent to police or immigration officials once a suspect enters their territory. Each country already has a Sirene office with established links to EU and Nordic law enforcement agencies.

Civil liberties campaigners are dismayed by the plan. Tony Bunyan, editor of Statewatch magazine, said: "This will give the green light to Special Branch and MI5 to put under surveillance people whose activities are entirely democratic."

Nicholas Busch, co-ordinator of the Fortress Europe network on civil liberties issues, added: "People who have done nothing against the law ought to be able to feel sure they are not under surveillance ... By criminalising whole political and social scenes you fuel confrontation and conflict."

Thomas Mathieson, professor of sociology of law at the University of Oslo, said police could have access to "very private information" about people's religion, sex lives and politics. "It is a very dangerous situation from the civil liberties point of view," he said.




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