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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: Vince Russo's tasteless booking | ||||
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Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 10-22-2001 @ 12:21 AM |    | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00  | My friends brought up an interesting point tonight that I thought was really sick, but true. If the WCW was still alive today, with Vince Russo booking, how would Russo incorporate the World Trade Center disaster into an angle? If you think he has enough class and taste to stay away from it, you have obviously forgotten that this was the guy who put the WCW World strap on David Arquette. You've definitely forgotten "Oklahoma". You slept through Mark Madden losing his shirt. And you cleverly blocked Tank Abbott from your wrestling memory. The tasteless angle we came up with was getting the Harris Brothers back into the ring as the "Twin Towers". Their gimmick would be whoever they are feuding with, they brand as "terrorists" and therefore it's their duty to go crush them. Ridiculous? Two words: Beaver Cleavage.  No more droogs for me, for adoption is over. Noellevious.... she's made me so proud. Viddy well, little brother... err, sister. This message was edited by FollowThisLogic on 10-22-01 @ 6:42 AM | ||||
| WhackBagKid TALK TO ME, GOMEZ. HE WHO IS #1. | posted on 10-22-2001 @ 12:32 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | Akeem and The Big Bossman? Britney Spears- Worth The Rape Charges | ||||
| TheGameHHH | posted on 10-22-2001 @ 1:28 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 01 | Yea Wackbag is right, the Twin Towers name is already taken up. But honestly who the f*ck cares about Russo anyway. I hope he is lying alone in an alley somewhere wondering how everything went wrong, why didn't the Dave Arquette work. That will teach him to turn his back on Vinnie Mac. "What? I thought we were all just havin' fun." | ||||
| Francine Banger | posted on 10-22-2001 @ 2:15 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | quote: These examples are more crap and stupidity than it is being tasteless. All I know is that if Russo was still booking here, there would be more T and A from the chicks and that is more gooder.  | ||||
| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 10-22-2001 @ 3:20 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | quote: Yeah, but you just KNOW Russo would try to exploit tragedy if given the chance. I'm thinking maybe something with Tiger Ali Singh performing acts of "terrorism" on the WWF faces. Tiger Ali blows up Angle's car, gives Rocky the Anthrax, stuff along those lines... quote: Nah, with pressure from the PTC, I doubt it. The guy could book T&A, but was beyond clueless when it came to booking wrestling.  "My political opinions lean more towards anarchy....The most improper job of any man, even saints, is bossing other men."-J.R.R. Tolkien, The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, 1981 "Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker and Tits"-George Carlin "Now you listen here to me, you horrible little creature"-William Regal to X-Pac | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 10-22-2001 @ 9:53 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Oh, like the average WCW fan would have ANY clue there. :) quote: Why do you need to watch wrestling for that? It's called pornography. Learn it. Know it. Live it. Not to mention - I suppose you either didn't get last night's PPV, or somehow missed the Lingerie Match? There's your T&A, bud. You won't get as much on regular TV anymore because the WWF doesn't need to lose MORE advertisers at the hands of the PTC. And what girls are really around to supply your T&A anyway? Ivory - give me a break. Jackie - UGH. Debra - damn, she looks old. "Molly" - Elroy goofiness plus superhero sidekick - she won't be T&A for a long time. Kat - bye bye. Chyna - bye bye also, but if you were looking at Chyna for T&A, get in the fucking coffin. Francine - hate to break it to ya, pal, but she's just okay. Not spectacular, just okay. And I doubt she's showing up anywhere on TV, anytime soon. And Okonkwo - we had even gone so far as to think Tiger would bring in two Arab cruiserweights, and in a match, they would literally "fly into the towers" - hey, I could see it happening. No more droogs for me, for adoption is over. Noellevious.... she's made me so proud. Viddy well, little brother... err, sister. | ||||
| matilda | posted on 10-23-2001 @ 3:27 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | quote: he's promoting a show thats touring here in december- jeff jarret, bret hart, road dogg, konan, daphne, jerry lawler etc etc. i been asking for tickets for my birthday but i have parents who hate wrestling... my website "WELL, IT'S ONE LOUDER, ISN'T IT? IT'S NOT TEN" (the artist formerly known as edge) **Official Good Will Embassador from England** | ||||
| JackDan1974 | posted on 10-23-2001 @ 3:39 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jul. 01 | quote: That may be true, and he may be a piece of shit, but he did bring the WWF back to the forefront when WCW was just kicking the WWF ass.  | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 10-23-2001 @ 5:48 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | I have, many times now, over-analyzed what the hell happened to Vince Russo. How could one guy be an absolute GENIUS in the WWF, bring them from near-folding to the top, and go to WCW and be a COMPLETE FUCKING FAILURE? I think there were two major factors. 1) The talent. WWF guys had potential. They could do things, and make them good. But they needed someone to write the situations. Many guys in WCW just had no fucking talent. Or one, and not the other. WCW was famous for guys having mic skills OR wrestling skills. RARELY both. 2) Control. In the WWF, Vince Russo's calls went through Vince McMahon. Everything goes through the big man. McMahon knew what people would like, and what people would hate. And when Russo would come up with something people would hate, McMahon killed it. In WCW, Russo didn't have that. He was given a fairly free reign. Why? Well, he probably interviewed for the job with the position of "I single-handedly turned around WWF, and I can do it for you too". They believed him. And he was allowed to put the most putrid, AWFUL angles into place. No one stopped him from playing up to the smarts and leaving the marks completely out to dry. Because they figured Russo knew best. Come on, look what he did in WWF, right? He knows what he's doing. Look, he's a hand.... you can't see his face... get it? It's great stuff! Ratings are going down? Hmm, that's odd.... Vince is promising that we'll go through the roof.... The guy is good, I'll give him that. But not EVERY THOUGHT THAT RUNS THROUGH HIS HEAD is a good one. Shit, the same goes for any writer. WWF knew this, and held Russo to it. WCW wanted so desperately to get viewers again, that they let him do anything. And what he did was dig a deeper hole... No more droogs for me, for adoption is over. Noellevious.... she's made me so proud. Viddy well, little brother... err, sister. | ||||
| OVERMAN | posted on 10-25-2001 @ 4:47 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jul. 00 | I actually wrote and moderated for VinceRusso.org before Vince lost interest, so, needless to say, I'm a Russo fan. I thought Russo's WCW was far superior to the WWF at the time and I think MOST of the criticism against Russo is unfair. Russo had his hands tied, management wouldn't let him do half the things he wanted to do and some talent wouldn't play ball. Russo was feeling the heat from management to get immediate results after he returned in April 2000, so he was forced to hot shot and rush storylines. If you didn't enjoy Russo's first run in WCW, that's your opinion, but I thought it was tremendous. That "McMahon was his editor" argument is ridiculous, Russo wrote the most successful storyline in wrestling history, Austin Vs. McMahon. There isn't a writer alive that would have been successful in WCW during the time period Russo was there. "Two words: Beaver Cleavage" Enjoyed it. It was Ed Ferra's idea, but I enjoyed it. "That will teach him to turn his back on Vinnie Mac." It's not like he saved McMahon's company or anything. "The guy could book T&A, but was beyond clueless when it came to booking wrestling." Did you enjoy the WWF 97-99? You did? Russo wrote almost everything you saw. "McMahon knew what people would like, and what people would hate" Vince McMahon listened to Bruce Pritchard and the other 'yes men' for years. Pritchard was giving us great gimmicks like The Pug and T.L. Hopper and Vince McMahon allowed them on his TV shows. Russo told Vince that the WWF sucked and needed to be taken in a different direction, to his credit, McMahon listened. He gave Russo pretty much free reign to try his "attitude" style of booking and it paid off big. The current WWF is filled w/ those same 'yes men' that think the Hurricane is entertaining, that think Shane and Stephanie need to be in every segment of Raw and Smackdown, that continue to let the Undertaker hold his spot while crushing younger talent. If Russo returned to the WWF today the current days of 3.9 rated Raw's would be gone and Russo would bring back the days where he used to get seven and eight ratings. | ||||
| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 10-25-2001 @ 5:17 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | Hmm, this should be fun :)quote: So how exactly does one become a Vince Russo fan? Short of a pre-frontal lobotomy, that is... quote: I can agree with that, to an extent. But even if he did have his hands tied by management, pressure to draw ratings, whatever, how does that explain acts of idiocy such as: Destroying the WCW Cruiserweight division Oklahoma! David Arquette, world champion Creative Control Master P and the No Limit Soldiers That 70's Guy / Not a Mullet / Fat Chick Thriller / Career Killer Mike Awesome G.I. Bro The Dog Kwee-Wee Berlyn The Maestro Kronik Tank Abbott as a wannabe boy band member "worked shoots" on WCW TV Heel Goldberg Totally Buff Perfect Event R&B Security New Blood vs. Millionaires Club Lodi and Lane, gay tag team Lane and Idol, Standards and Practices Vince Russo, world champion Vince Russo locked in Flair's figure for 10 minutes without submitting "Red liquid" Pinata on a pole match Leather jacket on a pole match And that's just off the top of my head. Yeah, Russo's a creative genius. And also, a month ago, he was telling people he wanted to book Disco Inferno vs. A Boxing KANGAROO in the main event of an Australian show. Genius! quote: Saved it, by borrowing the "attitude" from ECW that they first borrowed from Japanese indys... quote: I enjoyed some aspects of WWF in that time period. Austin was having some decent matches, Foley was tearing it up, they signed Kaentai, and hmm...now that I think about it, WWF was really awful, albeit popular, during that period. I'd say that the few things I did like, I liked despite Russo's booking and not because of it. quote: Here's the part where you compare dog shit to horse shit. News flash: they both stink!! "My political opinions lean more towards anarchy....The most improper job of any man, even saints, is bossing other men."-J.R.R. Tolkien, The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, 1981 "Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker and Tits"-George Carlin "Now you listen here to me, you horrible little creature"-William Regal to X-Pac | ||||
| Heartbreak F'n Kid | posted on 10-25-2001 @ 5:22 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Aug. 01 | quote: Last I heard Vinnie Mac was sueing them for trying to promote it as the "World Wrestling Federation", I wouldn't go for those tickets right away ;) "You ask your momma if Shawn is gay" | ||||
| OVERMAN | posted on 10-26-2001 @ 11:26 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jul. 00 | Destroying the WCW Cruiserweight division Oklahoma! = Liked it David Arquette, world champion = Not a great idea Creative Control = Yek Master P and the No Limit Soldiers = That disaster can be credited to Eric Bischoff, not Vince Russo. It was almost a year before he joined WCW. That 70's Guy / Not a Mullet / Fat Chick Thriller / Career Killer Mike Awesome = Liked them all G.I. Bro = Booker's idea The Dog = That was during the few months that Russo was out of power, that was Kevin Sullivan's gimmick. Kwee-Wee = Not a big fan Berlyn = Before Russo, Dusty Rhodes's idea. The Maestro = Liked it Kronik = The gimmick was good, the wrestlers just sucked. Tank Abbott as a wannabe boy band member = Funny stuff "worked shoots" on WCW TV = Pillman's worked shoots were genius, Russo's were ok. Heel Goldberg = He made a good heel, he's just a jackass that complained so much about being a heel that they turned him back. Totally Buff = After Russo left Perfect Event = Stasiak and Palumbo? If so, I think those two were very good as a team. R&B Security = No big deal New Blood vs. Millionaires Club = Very good, but most of the older talent wasn't playing ball. Lodi and Lane, gay tag team = before Russo Lane and Idol, Standards and Practices = That was a personal shot from Russo, like the RTC w/ McMahon. Neither was very good, but the RTC killed much more TV time. Vince Russo, world champion = Nice! Vince Russo locked in Flair's figure for 10 minutes without submitting = Good angle "Red liquid" = Liked it Pinata on a pole match = Not great Leather jacket on a pole match = After Russo was removed from power, again it was Kevin Sullivan. "Disco Inferno vs. A Boxing KANGAROO in the main event of an Australian show. Genius!" That was a joke, Disco wrestled the banana's in pajamas, really, read the report on wrestling observer.com. Now here's a few more Vince Russo's on air character Juve on commentary Hall and Nash hunting Goldberg's Hall and Nash as Luchadors WCW champion Bret Hart PPV main event Bret Hart Vs. Chris Benoit The Hogan incident NWO 2000 Jeff Jarrett world champion Shane Douglas and the revolution Miss Hancock David Flair goes insane Daffney Kevin Nash and Scott Hall attack the WWF WCW live J.R., kiss my ass. The thrillers, Mike Sanders in particular, who was fired, but brought back by Russo and Terry Taylor. | ||||
| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 10-27-2001 @ 12:29 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | Damn, I didn't think it was real, but I guess it is. An actual Vince Russo supporter! I thought those were about as real as Santa Claus and unicorns. Anyway...quote: Understatement of the year? I think so. quote: You're ignoring the fact that turning Goldberg heel was an AWFUL business move, with no possible positive outcome. Kind of like turning Austin heel... quote: I'd like to hear your definition of "good" quote: Sure, put the world heavyweight title on a 160 pound television writer, while guys who actually wrestle for a living get nothing. Russo would book himself to pitch a perfect game in the World Series if he could. Vince Russo locked in Flair's figure for 10 minutes without submitting = Good angle Make the most respected man in WCW history look like a jackass, and alienate your fanbase. Good angle. I could keep going and going, but I really don't feel like it. Vince Russo : wrestling :: Osama bin Laden : World Trade Center "My political opinions lean more towards anarchy....The most improper job of any man, even saints, is bossing other men."-J.R.R. Tolkien, The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, 1981 "Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker and Tits"-George Carlin "Now you listen here to me, you horrible little creature"-William Regal to X-Pac | ||||
| OVERMAN | posted on 10-27-2001 @ 3:46 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jul. 00 | "You're ignoring the fact that turning Goldberg heel was an AWFUL business move, with no possible positive outcome. Kind of like turning Austin heel..." Kevin Sullivan, Gary Juster and J.J. Dillon, collectively know as the good' ol boys were in power from January 2000 to March 2000, they killed the company in those months. What Vince did was not the right move in retrospect,( Though it made for good TV ) but he was feeling the heat to shake things up, to do something shocking to win back fans Sullivan had alienated, it could have worked, but all the unforeseen problems w/ management and talent doomed it. The Austin turn isn't killing the WWF, he's a great heel, the bad writing is killing the WWF, though I still find many things entertaining. The Rock selling for Shane and Stephanie points to the WWF's biggest problem, The McMahon's are hogging the spotlight. Does that make me a hypocrite for saying it's okay for Russo to not give up to a Flair figure four? No, because no-one has submitted to that move in years and Vince certainly didn't come off looking like he could hang w/ Ric Flair in the ring when all was said and done. "Make the most respected man in WCW history look like a jackass, and alienate your fanbase. Good angle." Russo was a Ric Flair fan, the last thing he wanted to do was tarnish his legacy and he didn't. Eric Bischoff on the other hand seemed to take pleasure in destroying Flair's legacy. | ||||
| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 10-27-2001 @ 4:24 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | Damn, sometimes OA.com REALLY pisses me off. This is one of those times. I had an extensive and well written response to VinnieRu's biggest fan, and I got logged off, so all was lost. I'm not writing it again. Vince Russo is a jackass and I'm glad he's never going to be involved in professional wrestling again, and that is certainly a good thing. I'll leave it at that. "My political opinions lean more towards anarchy....The most improper job of any man, even saints, is bossing other men."-J.R.R. Tolkien, The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, 1981 "Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker and Tits"-George Carlin "Now you listen here to me, you horrible little creature"-William Regal to X-Pac This message was edited by Sir Okonkwo on 10-27-01 @ 4:28 AM | ||||
| matilda | posted on 10-27-2001 @ 5:55 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | quote: lol ok, i wont get to go anyway. pah. i think its now called World Wrestling Allstars or something like that. my website "WELL, IT'S ONE LOUDER, ISN'T IT? IT'S NOT TEN" (the artist formerly known as edge) **Official Good Will Embassador from England** | ||||
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