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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: Update (3/23): Austin and WWF still at odds, he might miss the draft all together, as well as Smackdown | ||||
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| Cluster F | posted on 03-18-2002 @ 11:59 PM |    | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00  | I dont know about any of you, but i expected Austin to come out and either force the Outsiders back into the ring, or jump Rock and Hogan. I just couldnt understand why the match ended in a countout. But, Austin wasnt even in Canada tonight, it sounds like something bad happened, maybe family related...here is the story. STEVE AUSTIN MISSES RAW by Dave Scherer Updated: 3/18/2002 11:22:13 PM I am not sure why, but I heard that Steve Austin went home to Texas after Mania and was not at Raw tonight. I don't know any more than that at the moment. I talked to a few people before the show and they said that they didn't see him backstage, but no one was sure why he wasn't there. The way the show ended, it sure seemed like it would have made sense for Austin to walk down the aisle and force the Outsiders back to the ring if he was there. Go Knicks, Giants, Rangers, and the 2002 World Champs: New York Mets Long Live Psycho Bitch This message was edited by Cluster F on 3-23-02 @ 2:55 PM | ||||
| WNEWs GIRL i don't have a mule but i have a cock Intercontinental Intergender Thumb Wrestling Champion CUNT ROCKETTE The new "third". AmyMohrBuddy One line in my sig is absolutely fucking disgusting, see if you can find it. | posted on 03-19-2002 @ 12:07 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Aug. 00 | i was hoping to see austin as well it was kinda weird not to see him ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  I LOVE THE SLASH & THE CRACK HITLER & THE REE FROSTY IS MY HERO & I LOVE MY BABY'S DADDY, AUSTIN | ||||
| Cluster F | posted on 03-19-2002 @ 11:49 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | here is the latest on the Steve Austin situation, nothing is wrong luckily in Texas, but the reason he wasnt there is because he doesnt like how his character is going. He aint gonna be at Smackdown either. If i were the WWF, id have a serious talk with him to find out how to make him feel better about his character. Steve Austin Unhappy, Could Miss Smackdown Taping Posted By Ashish on 03.19.02 Steve Austin was not at RAW last night and it appears that he will not be at the Smackdown taping tonight either. While this isn't confirmed, most are speculating that Austin went home early because of his recent unhappiness with the WWF and with his character. Austin is apparently frustrated with how he is being used. More on this story as it develops.... Go Knicks, Giants, Rangers, and the 2002 World Champs: New York Mets Long Live Psycho Bitch This message was edited by Cluster F on 3-19-02 @ 11:51 AM | ||||
| HydratedPeach So... how did you get your spiffy new status? Age-Challenged Sexual Tension Relief Worker | posted on 03-19-2002 @ 12:00 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jul. 01 | quote: What?  | ||||
| DonWest | posted on 03-19-2002 @ 12:34 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | Atleast he is man enough to let them know that he thinks the product sucks now, by not even showing like that should open there eyes when one of there biggest stars just goes home and does not even show..This is the first time we have heard of this type of behavior of him no showing from Austin since he joined the WWF years ago. I am also glad it shows just cause they pay him millions he wont put up with there programming if it sucks so bad like say the Rock does. | ||||
| Jack Meehoff Teh funny blah blah absent blah blah teh blah | posted on 03-19-2002 @ 12:40 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02 | Say it with me now... Strike!! Strike!! Strike!!  | ||||
| HydratedPeach So... how did you get your spiffy new status? Age-Challenged Sexual Tension Relief Worker | posted on 03-19-2002 @ 12:51 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jul. 01 | quote: (counter-chanting) What? What? What? I'm afraid just having Austin sit on the sidelines wouldn't be enough to open Vince's eyes to the problems with the current WWF product. Either Austin will sit just long enough to have his personal concerns met before coming back, or some of the others are going to have to make their unhappiness a little more evident. | ||||
| Francine Banger | posted on 03-19-2002 @ 3:49 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | If Austin is gone for an extended period of time, Do you think the idiots in the crowd will stop chanting "What" every 2 seconds? I dont think so either. Do you think Austin being unhappy might have something to do with Hogan and the Rock being billed as a matchup between the 2 biggest stars ever? It should have been Austin vs. Hogan at Wrestlemania.  | ||||
| CrinkleCrinkleVictim | posted on 03-19-2002 @ 4:00 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Dec. 01 | I was also somewhat disappointed not to see Austin on Raw last night. But the fact of the matter is that in my eyes Austin is crying because he can't be in the lime light every god damn week. Austin has to understand that he held his run as THE top man in the business for quite a long time, but he can't remain in that spot forever. Other wrestlers need and deserve a chance to make it to the top. If I remember correctly, when Hall was first picked to feud with Austin leading up to Wrestlemania he immediatley began to complain that he didn't want to go up against Hall because he was afraid that he wouldn't last. The fact of the matter is that Hall straightened up his act and did last. Since Hall made it to Wrestlemania, Austin apparantly doesn't have any excuses left to throw at management. The guy is talented, he's probably one of the biggest names that the industry has ever seen, but it also appears as though the man has a serious ego problem. As an employee it isn't exactly responsible to fly off to Texas and refuse to attend work because something has upset you. Hall and Nash recieved a helluva lot of heat for showing up late and supposedly trying to influence WWF politics. Isn'that exactly what Austin is doing now, only he isn't showing up at all? I used to really respect Austin as one of the greats ,but the man just can't stay out of the spot light for long before groaning about it.  This message was edited by CrinkleCrinkleVictim on 3-19-02 @ 4:14 PM | ||||
| skitchr4u G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Xtreme Skiing Assualt Force | posted on 03-19-2002 @ 4:14 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | banger is right. hogan may be the biggest icon of all time, but currently that role is austin's and not the rock's...all rock can do is talk, that is what made him what he is, at least austin can wrestle when needed. i sure hope that austin comes back soon, or maybe he is pissed cause he didn't get a music video... | ||||
| hornygoatweed I've Got A Vagina With Teeth. G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Dragoon Battalion My friends call me Weed | posted on 03-19-2002 @ 4:32 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Love or hate the Rock (I like his promos, but in the ring he's average IMO), the bottom line is Austin is to the WWF today as Hogan was to the WWF in its Hulkamania 80's prime. HE should've been the one to go against Hogan. Hogan brought the WWF to its height way back when, and Austin did the same of the WWF of today. Rocky got his push thanks to Austin having to be out for a year because of his neck surgery. Yeah, yeah, Rocky was getting popular, I've heard it all before - but he got a tremendous push because Austin wasn't available and the WWF badly needed someone to take his place. The problem is Rocky's popularity never ebbed, especially since he got nothing but press (see The Tonight Show, SNL, the fucking Political Conventions, The Mummy 2/Scorpion King). Think about it - Austin is known as the baddest SOB in the WWF - how long ago was it when he was practically singing Kumbaya with Vince during his character's pussification? It wasn't all that long ago boys and girls. They finally bring him back to normal, give him the attitude, the in-ring beer swilling, and then pair him against Hall? Hall's got his "hey, yo", and his former status of Razor Ramon - nowhere near the caliber of Hogan's former (and arguably again current status) of legendary. The WWF better rethink how it treats its top stars. I know Rocky gets booed, but I have NEVER heard the boos as loud as they were at WM and even on RAW. And the pops Hogan was getting is on par with the pops Austin used to get whenever he came running out from the back looking for Vince to kick his ass from pillar to post. Hey Vince, if 5,000 fans booing the Rock isn't enough proof that you picked the wrong matchup, I don't know what is. Is Austin acting like a baby? Some may say yes, I say no - the whole "WWF Attitude" is because of Austin, whether or not someone gave him that character edge or not. They created the monster, they need to make him happy. And if anyone thinks that because Hogan is getting mad pops means he's gonna be around for a while, think again. He just can't hack it. Age is a bitch, and injuries pile on. Apparently, his rib-cage pain was not a work, and he really did get hurt. His leg drops are even slanted now to ease the crashing weight off of his hip bone. Austin may not have a huge amount of time before he retires either, but I would bet he's got a hell of a lot moe time left on his warranty than Hogan does.  You can reach me through AIM or email. Feel free to contact me if you have any board questions, techie (PC) questions, or even if you just wanna chat.
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| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 03-19-2002 @ 4:36 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | CrinkleCrinkleVictim, what should Austin do? It's all speculation at this point, but he's been in the business long enough to know when things aren't being done right, and looking at the product it's painfully obvious that things aren't being done right. He's still the biggest draw in the company, and at the biggest show of the year he's in an undercard match against Hall, a match that just two days later seems completely meaningless. Say what you want about his ego, but he definitely can back up his position. For one thing, he can still bring it in the ring better than the majority of the roster. You think he should step out of the spotlight, but is there anyone to take his spot? Especially now, with loads like Hall and Nash and Undertaker and HGH still hovering around the top, why should their biggest draw take a step down? Unlike those four, Austin earned his spot at the top through mostly hard work and his amazing talent, and without all the extensive backstage politicing (I'm sure he does his share, but nowhere near the level of others). To put it another way: over the past 7 years or so, Austin has been their best and most consistent wrestler, bar none. Last year, with HHH burying his heat before going out, Rock filming a movie, Benoit out, an ineffective heel turn, and all the Invasion bullshit, he carried the federation on his back and got them through it - all after shortly returning from a broken neck that may, and probably should, have left him unable to wrestle again. Imagine how far they would have fallen, without Austin. He has every right to protest, as his income is dependant on the overall success of the WWF. I just wonder why this hasn't happened sooner...  FTL is not to blame for this abomination of a sig pic. | ||||
| CrinkleCrinkleVictim | posted on 03-19-2002 @ 4:44 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Dec. 01 | I have to admit that Austin would have probably fit into the match better than the Rock, and also deserved it. But think about it. This is the first time in a while where Austin wasn't THE main event guy besides when he was injured. Even when he was strumming the guitar with Vince he was the top man, number one, the champion. Did the Rock get on a plane to wherever the hell his multi-million dollar mansion is when he wasn't the number one guy? No he didn't, and I'm sure that is respected by the WWF (maybe why he got this chance). As far as Hall goes, everyone can preach all they want about this guy. About how he's a no good drunk , plays politic games , or whatever else there is to say. But the guy has a whole lot of talent. He's got great charisma on the mic, is able to hold his own in the ring, and as we saw at Wrestlemania is willing to take the loss. Lots of wrestlers are asses about this sort of thing. Although Austin in my opinion did deserve the shot against Hogan, he can't hop on a plane home because he isn't happy. The only guy that comes to mind for pulling this kind of crap is the Ultimate Warrior. And we all saw how far that got him. I understand that Austin is angry , but he just isn't properly acting quite in this sort of situation. Austin doesn't enjoy the current gimmick he has or whatever? Fine. But do you honestly think Angle enjoyed going from the WWF champion to wrestling Kane? Do you think RVD enjoyed fighting for the hardcore title (honestly, look at the god damn belt itself)? Booker T from being the biggest name in WCW to tag-teaming with Test? Tazz from being the man in ECW to being an announcer / partner of Spike Dudley? None of these guys enjoy the positions they are put in when they take a dive, but it's part of the business and Austin has to understand that. | ||||
| CrinkleCrinkleVictim | posted on 03-19-2002 @ 5:04 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Dec. 01 | Don't get me wrong Okonkwo, like I said the guy is one of the biggest men to ever grapple in a ring. Austin has every right in the world to complain I agree. As for the Hall angle not counting for anything, who's to say that they wouldn't have continued with this feud into Monday if Austin was at Raw for it to happen. I agree Austin has the right to complain and put in his opinions seeing as how he IS part of the company, but other men have also paid their dues. Look at a guy like Tazz. This guy worked his ass off to create the image he had, only to be teamed with Michael Cole at an announce table. I realize Austin carried the WWF, but just like other wrestlers he can't be number one forever, it just isn't possible. | ||||
| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 03-19-2002 @ 5:10 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | quote:No, Austin was the number 2 heel at that point, number 3 if you count Vince. HGH and Stephie made sure of it. quote:As of right now, Hall's value to the company is miniscule compared to that of Austin. If Hall left tomorrow never to return, it would barely make a dent. If Austin were never to return, it would have an incredible negative effect on the company. Owners notwithstanding, he's still the #1 guy in the promotion, I can't imagine a valid argument to the contrary. quote:Absoutely none of this matters. Like I said before, Austin worked his way to the top, from being Stunning Steve, to getting fired by Bisch, to the awful Ringmaster gimmick, to reinventing himself in ECW, to becoming Stone Cold Steve Austin and carrying the promotion for the past 4+ years through good times and awful times. Did any of the other guys do that? EDIT - didn't see your other reply quote:No, he can't. But at the moment he's still the best they have for the spot. And for Austin to take such a stand, a guy who I can't recall EVER walking out on the company before (he even stuck with WCW when they were jobbing him to Duggan), it must be serious. To say he's being a crybaby is just unfair given all that he's done. FTL is not to blame for this abomination of a sig pic. This message was edited by Sir Okonkwo on 3-19-02 @ 5:23 PM | ||||
| Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! | posted on 03-19-2002 @ 5:18 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | This might shed more light and show why Austin REALLY skipped out:quote: Getting things changed so he gets out on top? Totally fucking over what the company wants so he doesn't job to a guy he probably feels is "below" him? Sound familiar? Yeah. It's called the nWo guys in WCW and if Hall, Nash, or Hogan did this, they'd rightfully get their ass reamed on the net. Austin pulled this EXACT same shit in the summer of '99. He didn't want to put HHH over at Summer Slam of that year for the world title and so he got Mick Foley added in at the last minute so he could job to FOLEY instead and have Foley put HHH over for him the next night. The end result was a clusterfuck that shockingly HHH actually rebounded from by the end of that year after this combined with him jobbing to VINCE MCMAHON to cause his credibility to be officially flushed down the toilet. Austin even used the "Shawn Michaels School of Bullshit Injuries so I don't have to job to guys below me" trick #1 and overblew an injury to use as an excuse to have it changed to a triple threat match since "he couldn't handle a one on one in his state." Meanwhile, he was back two weeks later wrestling one on one matches. Then, they wanted him to go into a program with Jeff Jarrett, and he refused that, too. After getting alot of heat for that, I'm sure, he decided to be a nice guy and job to HHH that October as long as the Rock accidentally murdered him with a lead pipe or something like that. Aw, how nice. He's cooperated since, but now he got pissy, probably because Hogan fought the Rock instead of him at Mania (a match they were smart to not blow off right away contrary to what you people think, because I feel it should have lots of build like WM 3 with Hogan and Andre where they have been in the same place for a year or two and never wrestled instead of being hastily thrown together like the Rock-Hogan match this year) and cuz he had to put the nWo over, and he nicely thought out a plan that probably went, "Well everyone thinks the WWF product sucks so I'll use that as my excuse so I don't get heat!" Eck. If he hated the product so much, he should say more about OTHER people's angles in addition to his, not JUST his. He's just being self-serving cuz all he's caring about is if HE looks good. I'm a big Austin fan, but after hearing the main problem was that he didn't want to put Hall over and he STILL was pissed after that, I'm getting memories of that summer of '99 again. Hopefully, the main problem IS that he doesn't like the general product, but his actions here don't tell me that, they tell me he wanted to be #1 and #1 only, and that's the same idiotic attitude that stopped him from getting that push he had coming to him in WCW before Hogan came and fucked everything up. Oh, how they forget. | ||||
| CrinkleCrinkleVictim | posted on 03-19-2002 @ 5:24 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Dec. 01 | Like I said before I'm totally not trying to make Austin out to be worthless to the WWF, that just isn't the case. I simply don't agree with the way he took care of the situation. Some may say that the way he did things was absolutely correct, who am I to say. But as for other people carrying the WWF , there is alot of WWF talent that isn't always number one. Look at a guy like the Undertaker. Granted he just had a pretty big angle with Flair and what not, but it wasn't that long ago that he was fighting for the hardcore title. Undertaker's value to the company goes beyond wether or not the fans cheer or boo louder. Or if people buy his shirts.This guy has been the head of the WWF lockeroom for quite a while. Undertaker has more than proven his worth to the WWF for years, but he isn't always competeing for the title. I'm not saying Austin doesn't deserve to be up there, I mean the guy has easily been the biggest name in wrestling for a couple of years. I'm just not so sure he should have been so fast to throw himself on a plane and not attend what is his job. | ||||
| rageparty 123...Not so bare anymore since I got a number underneath my name again I also have an imaginary girlfriend. | posted on 03-19-2002 @ 7:34 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | Why wouldn't Austin be pissed? I mean there are so many wrestlers and he gets stuck with Hall, not saying Hall is bad, but Taker got Flair, HHH got the Title, rock got Hogan in the so called 'Greatest Match ever' and where is Austin? Austin wants a legend, this is the same in Angle's case. He got Kane, but if Steiner comes in, Austins mood should turn around. Stiener is Austin's buddy and he would be happy to wrestle him I bet. | ||||
| DonWest | posted on 03-20-2002 @ 1:21 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | I agree with what everyone is saying, another thing we have to remember is to them this is a business and how they make there living so of course they all want to be the top guy.. | ||||
| CrinkleCrinkleVictim | posted on 03-20-2002 @ 8:01 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Dec. 01 | Thanks for the info Diamond Dust, that article sheds a totally new light on the situation. I went from being pissed at Austin for jumping on a plane and leaving, to being swayed by Okonkwo to kind of understand the guy, to back to being pissed at the guy for pulling this kind of crap. I think it just kind of furthers my point that this NWO/Austin angle could have gone well past Wrestlemania had Austin allowed it to. And I also totally agree that Hall, Nash, or Hogan would have all gotten reamed if not fired for pulling that kind of act. I personally think that if the tables were turned, and Hall did that sort of thing to Austin people would be clamoring for him to be fired. I also think it shows alot about Hall that he allowed things to go the way they did without any real outspoken complaints or whining (that I know of anyway). Through years of wrestling one just has to learn that stroyline creators are there for a reason, they are paid to do their job. Some wrestlers just can't seem to grasp the concept that once in a while you have to take one for the team. | ||||
| Cluster F | posted on 03-23-2002 @ 2:46 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Doesnt sound like this situation is going away any time soon. IMO, Austin has to stop being so damn greedy. hes starting to sound a lot like Goldberg did in WCW, and Bret did at the end of his WWF days. Austin/WWF Update: Problems Continue, Future In Question Posted By Ashish on 03.23.02 Problems between Steve Austin and the WWF continue to grow and both sides are said to be very angry with the other. The situation is getting so tense that Austin may not even be on RAW or Smackdown this week despite the plan to split the WWF roster. Most figure that Austin would be the top star drafted by one of the brands, but he may not even be at the draft now. Steve Austin flew straight home to Texas following WrestleMania last Sunday and did not show up to RAW or Smackdown. WWF management is extremely upset with Austin for refusing to allow a run-in during his WrestleMania match with Scott Hall that was scheduled to be the basis for the "brand extension" announcement the next night on RAW. The WWF has gone as far as to tell WWF.com to not include Austin in any featured articles and new updates. We will have more on the Austin situation as it develops.... Credit: 1wrestling.com Go Knicks, Giants, Rangers, and the 2002 World Champs: New York Mets Long Live Psycho Bitch I co-won the Super Bowl Challenge :) This message was edited by Cluster F on 3-23-02 @ 2:52 PM | ||||
| rageparty 123...Not so bare anymore since I got a number underneath my name again I also have an imaginary girlfriend. | posted on 03-23-2002 @ 5:04 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | Fuck, do you think Austin might possibly leave the federation? This ain't looking too good. I hope he thinks it over | ||||
| Heartbreak F'n Kid | posted on 03-24-2002 @ 11:26 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Aug. 01 | Austin said back in 1999 that he would never work a program with Hogan, something which everyone thought was a smart move and something which he's apparently stuck to. So if the fact that Hogan and Rock got all the attention is why he's disappeared then it's his own fault for not taking the chance. "You ask your momma if Shawn is gay" | ||||
| X-Filed Rich Vos is the emobdiemnt of all that is teh funney | posted on 03-25-2002 @ 11:51 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | just wondering after all this contractial and free agent stuff with austin. Was it planned or is it because austin went A.W.O.L? VOS IS ABOUT AS FUNNY AS GETTING A PAPERCUT ACROSS THE TIP OF YOUR MULE AND THEN DIPPING IT IN LEMON JUICE!!!! | ||||
| goatweed I've Got A Vagina With Teeth. G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Dragoon Battalion My friends call me Weed | posted on 03-25-2002 @ 11:56 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | I think initially Austin genuinely had problems with the WWF, but I suspect that they have all been worked out (more or less) as both Austin & Flair threw his name around tonight as being able to get him in their Fed. I seriously doubt they would do that if he were not coming back soon. Who knows, maybe he'll show up on Smackdown! to say he's going to RAW - which would then be his "final appearance" on Smackdown (like Rocky's & Hogan's last appearance on RAW tonight). That's my specualtion of the night :) You can reach me through AIM or email. Feel free to contact me if you have any board questions, techie (PC) questions, or even if you just wanna chat.
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