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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: News on Taker/Hogan finish for Judgment Day and some ideas on how to make the WWE unstale by KOTR that will never happen | ||||
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| Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! | posted on 05-13-2002 @ 7:44 PM |    | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01  | Keep in mind this is originally from 1wrestling.com, so bet the mortgage on the opposite:quote: Now, if you ask me, this is the right choice, but ONLY if Taker is the ultimate transition champ. I'm talking Kane-like one day title reign here, only he doesn't lose it to the same guy. Now, as many Rhodes (no, not Dusty Rhodes, though you gotta be pretty fucking smart to understand what he's saying) scholars will point out, the WWE is rather stale at this juncture. Shocking commentary from yours truly, I know. Now, it's been stale before, but NEVER this stale since the "Attitude" Era began in 1997/1998. So, what should happen? Easy for me. My proposal is the old "Throw shit at the wall and see if it sticks, just make sure it's some good shit you're throwing" theory. By this, I mean basically do a "Deisel from 1994" here. Have a guy come out of literally nowhere to become the world champ. For this to work, usually the guy has to be a face, which is why I want Taker to be the champ, not hogan, so a face can break through the main event scene by one upset victory. The list of candidates are slim, I could only think of three that would make sense: RVD Booker T Edge Now, RVD and Edge are fine candidates, and if the WWE actually DOES do this and chooses either of them, I'd be a happy camper, but I choose Booker T. The reason for this is Booker's character is starting anew, so what better way to initiate hm to facehood? It also would make the most sense, since he is becoming a new character, for him to come out of nowhere, like the newly turned face Deisel did in 94. So, Booker demolishes Goldust at JD. He takes the mic, and though he does mix his catchphrases in and his more comic side does show in the interview (he's gotten over to the point he's gotten cheered thus forcing them to turn him face in the past couple weeks due to his comic ability, after all), he is a more serious Booker than we've ever seen. He says that the Goldust tema proved what a joke people actually think he's become. He was a fromer 5 time WCW champion, godammit, and now Goldust takes him so lightly, he wanted him to join his little freak show. People laughed at him and Goldust, just like they've laughed at him for awhile now. He's realized it's time to get serious again. He'd like to thank Goldust for making him realize just what a freak show and joke his career had become and now, the real Booker T is coming out again. Keep imn mind, as serious as his apprach is, Booker still does the spineroonie, still looks at his hands (God, that cracks me up everytime) still does his funny stuff, but now it is the side attraction, rather than the makeup of his entire character. So, later on, Taker defeats hogan with help from, yes, HHH. Huh? Well, HHH's reasoning, as he says later on in an interview, is he can't get revenge on Taker for Backlash cuz he's on Raw and now he'll be suspended if he shows up there, so by making Taker champ, he can kill two birds with one stone. Get Taker, and get his belt back in the process. Now, he has upset hogan however, who feels there might also be a little "sore loser" from Backlash in HHH, which he thinks is his REAL motive. Later on, in the Hell in a Cell, after a grueling 30 minutes, hogan comes in and somehow costs HHH the match to get back at him. Jericho wins HiTC. Raw the next night: Taker comes out and brags for what seems like forever that he's killed Hulkamania again, just like in 91. Then out of nowhere, Booker T's music hits. People wonder why. Booker comes out and says as part of the new serious Booker he talked about last night, he's coming out here on the first full night of the new Booker and challenging Taker to title shot tonight. After Taker laughs him off at first, Booker persists, and so Taker, with a hint of laughter still in his voice, decides to grant him his shot and the main event for Raw is set. JR and the king still persist all night, though, that they don' know just how serious to take Booker's chances tonight. Hogan is seen showing up just as the main event is about to begin (I believe the ex-champ takes the roster spot of the man who defeated him, which would mean hogan would go to Raw, not his original home of SD). Hogan comes out for commentary right befotre the match. Taker comes out first, and immediately goes after Hogan. They fight til Hogan is ejected by WWE officials. Taker is a little beaten up, and Booker then comes out and takes advantage at the beginning at the match, but eventually the match settles down. After about a 10 minute match or so, out of nowhere, some way somehow, Booker comes out with a clean victory! Shocking upset! Booker is the new undisputed champion!!! Who could have ever dreamed! JR screams about God being good alot as a historic Raw goes off the air, hopefully with a shocked, yet ecstatic audience. Taker will claim in the weeks to come that the Hogan interaction prior to the match was the reason for the victory as a cornerstone for their continuing rivalry, but I think the 10 minutes in between will make Booker's victory look like it came as a result of Booker just beating him than because of outside interference ot the audience. Commentators can point out as much when Taker goes on that tangent. Now, SD has the next PPV title shot, so here is how it is set up. HHH is pissed. He wants Hogan now after JD and can't get him, and his plan to get Taker is now ruined because he lost the belt before he could even appear on SD and to a Raw guy, so Taker stays on Raw. So, the two guys he wants to kill the most, he can't touch. Who does he blame for all this? Booker T, for ruining everything. HHH is filled with so much rage, he turns on the new popular champ, turning HHH heel in the process where he should be. Because of their newfound hostility, Vince has no choice but to make the KOTR main event Booker T v. HHH. Yes, a face Booker T v. a heel HHH (Booker T wins, BTW). Tell me THAT wouldn't be fresh and new. But, most importantly, Booker's first PPV opponent is the bst heel in the history of wrestling, who has just turned heel, meaning he'll be fresh and have more heat than usual to boot, and he gets a clean victory over him in what should be a great match! That win at KOTR would *make* him and the WWF might just have created a new mega star in a month's time. All this while, Jericho is upset. He BEAT HHH dammit, and HHH gets the shot? This is the inspiration for the "Conspiracy Victim" Jericho to make his first WWE appearnace. Let's face it, this version of the heel Y2J has been ruined by bad booking, so why not start anew with his character, too, even if it is an "old" character. Keep Angle and Edge's cool feud going, and I think alot things have been fixed. Three characters are where they should be and are fresh again (Booker, Jericho and HHH), and Hogan and Taker are still boring us, but in the undercard, where they SHOULD be boring us. Of course, it ain't happening, and i'd bet my bottom dollar Taker is holding the belt til KOTR to face the returning Rock as Booker moves on to face William Regal :rolleyes: Now, which would YOU rather have? 1. 94 Wins and NL East Title by the Mets this year 2. Hate the Braves with a passion 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 4. Mets win World Series 5. Hopefully come up with a better name for the Crack Commitee than something the Mad Dog came up with. Come on! | ||||
| WWForever | posted on 05-13-2002 @ 8:28 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: May. 02 | quote: Seriously, I would love to see Booker take the main spot, but Vince has a hard-on about holding WCW guys down for a long time. And give Triple H a little bit of time as face. The man has to sell some shirts. Since it looks highly possible that the WWF will hire Goldberg, expect him to do the "guy come out of literally nowhere" thing. Thus throwing out my whole "Vince has a hard-on about holding WCW guys down for a long time" theory. Hell, I say give the belt back to Angle before he goes back to the Olympics. This message was edited by WWForever on 5-13-02 @ 8:30 PM | ||||
| Se7en | posted on 05-13-2002 @ 9:27 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 01 | Interesting ideas, and I have to say, I'm liking where you're going with this. I'm of the opinion that they will take the title off of Hogan....whether it will be Undertaker who wins it, I don't know. If he does, nothing would please me more than for him to retire the next night. Here you go, Mark, here's one last gold belt for you. Now get the F out. A better scenario, of course, would be for Hogan to retain at JD, and then on the following Smackdown he gets beaten - cleanly - for the belt by Jericho, but that's just my own personal pipe dream. I love the idea of Booker T as champ - it was one of the smart moves done by WCW towards the end, to once again establish credibility to its tarnished title by putting it on a solid, loyal worker. You're right in that it will never happen. Vince walks around with his head up his ass. Since the buyout, he's done a great deal to ruin the credibility of ex-WCW guys like Booker T...pretty stupid, considering they're his employees and are making his living for him. I'd love to see it happen, but it won't. Which is a shame, because like I keep saying, Booker is a great worker who should, at the least, be main eventing RAW or invovled in one of the very top angles on the show. There is a VERY serious problem occurring when a talentless lug like Bradshaw gets pushed to the top of the card and Booker T is stuck doing skits and matches with Goldust.  "Being a bastard WORKS." --Spider Jerusalem | ||||
| burning in a lake of fire | posted on 05-13-2002 @ 11:19 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Mar. 02 | all good ideas but heres the ultimate ratings grabber.. hogan retains at j day, the next night on raw flair announces a mystery opponent as a challenger for hogans title. we get a glimpse of who it is later when you see flair in the dressing room tali=king to what appears to be an afro american gentleman, but before you get a good look the door closes. last half hour of raw. hogan comes down to the ring and calls booker t out, but booker isnt in the building, hogan demands that his opponent shows his face and take him on now. flair comes out and announces the challenger... screamin norman smiley.norman proceeds to run to the ring and pin hogan for the win. flair joins the new champ in the ring and announces his new co partner in raw.. vince russo.norman, vince, and flair proceed to all do the wiggle( the real "most electrifying move in sports entertainment"). for smackdown.. goldberg makes his unsuspecting debut, and announces that he will decimate the superstars of smackdown just like he did in wcw, when all of a sudden.. who comes out and beats the crap out of goldberg but screamin norman smiley. goldberg trembles before the power of the wiggle, and runs off crying, two weeks later he comes back as billy and chucks manwhore. the cameras then cut to the audience where hogan is serving hotdogs to all the normanmaniacs in the audience. the wwe has now become the NWO(NORMAN WORLD ORDER) :-D back talking niggas make funny looking fruit! | ||||
| LiveNudeTeens | posted on 05-13-2002 @ 11:28 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Nov. 00 | Well, Booker main evented...though I think it's not all that you hoped it would be. MOOSEN!!!  First rule of writing: proofread carefully to see if you any words out. | ||||
| vinviper | posted on 05-14-2002 @ 1:25 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Sep. 01 | First off...PRETTY SHITTY RAWWWWWW if u ask me. Hogan Flair match was pretty good.... But the "main event." ASS! TOTAL ASS!! BOOKER T is in the nWo?!?! I mean are you kidding?? Can you degrade the nWo any less?? These writers should watch old WCW video. Pyshing us up the whooole night. I'm thinkign maybe Steiner...maybe even Macho Man....anybody...Lezner...no..frikin Booker T. And they way they did it..gayy...Flair just grabs the mic and says Its Booker T! gay gay gay And WTF!!! Week after Flair joins the nWo, he is wearing a Fin "GET THE F OUT" WWE T-shirt! I mean Helloooooooo What you guyz think?? Secondly, I dont see Booker as a big time guy...maybe its all the shit that is going on with Dust lately... They definitely need some new talent up there... get steiner or Goldberg...and put them on RAW!! PLEASE!!!!! The one the only, Vinny Va Voom | ||||
| Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! | posted on 05-14-2002 @ 10:09 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | Well, so much for the face Booker T. I guess they figured they need a new nWo leader, and well, Booker wasn't doing much anyway, so let's put him in. Sigh. On the plus side, at least it's better than what Booker WAS doing. At least I THINK it is. And, on the topic of Raw, is it sad that outside of the Rock match, Ric Flair carried Hogan to his most watchable match since returning (at least in terms of entertainment value, in neither match was there much "wrestling" going on)? I mean, really, the more you think about it, the more you wonder how the hell HHH didn't pull this out of him. think the key is to not wrestle against him. Just do some spots that will pop the crowd, cuz while Benoit can make working a knee exciting, Hogan ain't no fucking Benoit. And yes, somebody's gonna say it first,so it might as well be me: No wonder they drag them behind motorcycles. 1. 94 Wins and NL East Title by the Mets this year 2. Hate the Braves with a passion 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 4. Mets win World Series 5. Hopefully come up with a better name for the Crack Commitee than something the Mad Dog came up with. Come on! | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 05-14-2002 @ 10:29 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | I thought it was going to be Undertaker which would not have been too bad, but than I figured it would probably be Bossman. The Booker and Goldust thing was funny. They worked pretty well together. I did think this Raw was much better than last week though one of the worst shows I have ever seen, but going into the week of a PPV, it could of and should have been much better than this. They need a really strong Smackdown with Kurt and Edge and Jericho and HHH to make people buy this as the Raw brand is not helping too much. I guess Tommy Dreamer is now the toilet bowl water drinking guy. Pretty sad. They could have used him, Raven, Justin Creidble, and Bubba ray Dudley to feud over the hardcore belt and make it a credible belt again. Just have an all out ECW feud. Better raw buti still weak. I would give it a 5 while last week's gets a -10.  | ||||
| skitchr4u G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Xtreme Skiing Assualt Force | posted on 05-14-2002 @ 10:44 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | good ideas hello does anyone else see booker not staying in the nwo cause he lost last night? i don't think he will stay inthe nwo, and thank god no steiner, no nacho man and no gillberg. give us a real leader for the nwo, give us jeff jarrett, please!!  | ||||
| -GomeZ- | posted on 05-14-2002 @ 11:01 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02 | Jarrett won't re-enter the WWF as long as Austin is there. Trust Me! | ||||
| rageparty 123...Not so bare anymore since I got a number underneath my name again I also have an imaginary girlfriend. | posted on 05-14-2002 @ 5:15 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | I won't be surprised if Taker wins it, Vince picks the next contender so it would be another crappy HHH/Taker match at K.O.T.R. But they could debut someone in that match, like Steiner if he signs, or give someone a heel turn... | ||||
| Se7en | posted on 05-14-2002 @ 5:25 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 01 | Well, after seeing last night's RAW, I am totally convinced of one fact - WWF (or WWE, whatever you want to call it) is WORSE now, today, than WCW was in the end. There are those of you who will argue against that, but that's how I feel. I watched RAW last night, and it was an unbelievable abomination. And it was the last RAW before the PPV, to make matters worse. This is how the sell JD? At least when I was watching the final Nitros, circa February / early March 2001, I'd see some good stuff....like a host of good cruizers, DDP before they humiliated him, Steiner in all of his roidness, Awesome, even Norman Smiley.....now I get this crap. I can understand the cliche "Be careful what you wish for" now. I'm not sure how to take the Booker T nWo turn....on the one hand, it will guarantee him a spot in the top feud on RAW, and will probably put him either in or around the main event...and it's better than teaming with Dustin (I think). But way I see it, a) it's only good if he becomes the dominant force, i.e. the leader, of the nWo, and is pushed as a credible threat to Austin (none of which will happen), and b) a face Booker turn would have been MUCH better. How about this scenario (I don't like to fantasy book, but here goes): Flair & the nWo & the lumberjacks all come out for the main event last night. Austin comes down, Flair says it was all a lie and that there was no new nWo member. He then orders the lumberjacks to attack Austin, or they're fired. So now Austin is in the ring, fighting off the nWo and the lumberjacks, and he's getting beat down.....and in comes Booker T, who cleans house, saving Austin from a royal ass-kicking. Boom, there you go - immediate face turn, fans cheering, Booker T suddenly a top face and inserted in the main event feud. It'd work, for the simple fact that a) other than Austin (I'm not counting Hogan), there are no top faces on RAW and b) no one gives a shit about Bradshaw (except maybe JR), so Booker could easily - and successfully - take his place as ally to Stone Cold. Plus it would make sense, storyline-wise, as Booker was one of the WCW guys who would fight against the nWo back in the old fed. Not a perfect scenario, but one that I think would have been better than the abortion we saw last night. I mean, really, the more you think about it, the more you wonder how the hell HHH didn't pull this out of him. Maybe because HHH is so bad these days that he's almost as bad as Hogan at selling and has a moveset that's becoming as limited as the Hulksters. I wonder how the hell Jericho is going to pull a good match out of Helmsley at JD. I guess Tommy Dreamer is now the toilet bowl water drinking guy. Pretty sad. They could have used him, Raven, Justin Creidble, and Bubba ray Dudley to feud over the hardcore belt and make it a credible belt again. Just have an all out ECW feud. Exactly. This is a perfect example of how the booking / writing committe is clearly just doing this shit to amuse themselves (which is good for them, but bad, bad, capital letters BAD for the audience). The hardcore title is a joke, sure, but if they had booked it as a "serious" title, they could have done something. Hell, having the ex-ECW guys feud for it would make at least some of the audience happy. Plus you could revisit a lot of past storylines, such as Dreamer vs. Raven or Dreamer vs. Credible. The nearest they've come is to having Stevie Richards & Raven have a two-match feud. "Being a bastard WORKS." --Spider Jerusalem This message was edited by Se7en on 5-14-02 @ 5:53 PM | ||||
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