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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: Do The Mets Have Another Miracle In Them? | ||||
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| Cranky Ass | posted on 09-03-2001 @ 11:34 PM |    | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01  | The Mets are at least in a position to put some distance between the Braves and Phillies with these 3 games they have against the Phil's. They already pushed the Phillies 2 games behind Atlanta so they don't have to hope for 2 teams to lose when they win. If the Mets can just pull within 4 to 5 games of Atlanta before the 21st I think they will have a fighting chance to pull off one hell of a miracle. If anyone can do it, its the Miracle Mets. ________________ Sig Courtesy Of M-Ace Read My Column, Kickin Ass With FoundryMusicAntD on FoundryMusic.com , the most difficult site to navigate on the net and tune into my midnite show on RonFez.net Radio  Proud S.T.O.N.E.R Graduate of The International | ||||
| CriticsLoveSnatch i know better than to ask for a status from you mean ol' mods I shall call him mini-FTL | posted on 09-03-2001 @ 11:43 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: No.  Anyone else wanting to be adopted IM me at Jemo123 | ||||
| darthziggy Isles fan for life | posted on 09-04-2001 @ 12:21 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | on friday the daily news said that if the braves were to go .500 the rest of the year the mets would have to go at least 24-4 in their final 28. somehow i don't think that's gonna happen. 9 days till isles training camp.  darthziggy@opieanthony.com I'm off to Franklin Pierce College in September. Go Ravens! LET'S GO ISLANDERS | ||||
| Francine Banger | posted on 09-04-2001 @ 12:26 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | Is it going to happen? In all likelihood No. But hey stranger things have happened. When the Mets lost 7 straight 2 weeks ago, and were 14 1/2 out. I never would have believed they would cut the lead in half in just 2 weeks time. But that happened. For the Mets to pull out the Miracle, they need to keep playing at this pace, and the Braves and Phillies need to continue to plummet. The Mets are 8 1/2 down to Atlanta, and unless Atlanta just bombs down the stretch, it will be hard, even with the 6 games left with them. The Phillies are more of a possibility, and wouldnt that be nice if the Mets can beat them out for 2nd Place. If the Mets can take the next 2 games in this series, they will be only 4 1/2 out of the Phillies, and the Phillies will be just about done after their horrible play. The Mets have 6 games apiece with the Expos and Pirates, and a 4 game series this weekend at the plummeting Marlins. The Mets definetly have a shot to finish over .500, a slight possibility to even beat out the Phillies, a very very slim chance to beat the Braves and win the Division Title. But stranger things have happened.  | ||||
| Thrillhouse Alkey gave me my bonus points back. | posted on 09-04-2001 @ 12:32 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 01 | i dont think they have a chance and i wrote them off like after a month of the season they were playing so bad...but how far out of the wild card are they? Graduate of AFDude's Academy | ||||
| darthziggy Isles fan for life | posted on 09-04-2001 @ 12:46 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | 8.5 back of the braves for the east 11.5 back of the wild card (cubs?) darthziggy@opieanthony.com I'm off to Franklin Pierce College in September. Go Ravens! LET'S GO ISLANDERS | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 09-04-2001 @ 7:12 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | They have no chance in hell. | ||||
| NASA | posted on 09-04-2001 @ 7:21 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 01 | The Mets have no chance, but the truth is that they don't deserve it. Before their last homestand they were on pace to finish fourth and were it not for the fact that the rest of the NL East sucks so bad, it would be a bunch of triple-A players getting practise out there. | ||||
| Canweseeyourstuff | posted on 09-04-2001 @ 8:13 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | absofreakinglutly not http://photos.yahoo.com/canweseeyourstuff | ||||
| Cluster F | posted on 09-04-2001 @ 11:02 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | this season has been a disappointment to say the least. Part of me of course wants them to go to the playoffs and pull of the miracle. But, the other part of me doesnt, because it might be the same as last year, and Phillips wont go out and get anyone again because he will think that his team is good enough. It's a double edged sword. Id rather have my boys lose this year, if it means we can win the whole thing for the next few years. | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 09-04-2001 @ 11:05 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | The mets suck ass. Put it this way. I am a huge Yankee fan. However, The Yankees, Mariners or A's will annihilate ANY team that comes out of the National League. The American league is 1000 x better this year. | ||||
| Francine Banger | posted on 09-04-2001 @ 11:47 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | The AMercian League may be better because the 3 Best Teams in Baseball are all in the American League but that by no way means they are guaranteed to win the World Series. Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling Pitching in a 7 Game Series with Game 7 at Home, Ill take my chances with them. And the American League as a whole isnt better than the National League. Because they have the 3 Best Teams in Baseball no doubt, Cleveland then is a good team. And everybody else sucks. In the National League, their isnt a great team, but they are stackpiled with good teams. The depth is far greater than the American League. I dont care if Minnesota and Boston have good records, they both suck. | ||||
| Ferret | posted on 09-04-2001 @ 12:26 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | The way the Mets have been playing lately, no. Winning by other teams fucking up with errors doesn't show me they can win ball games. They definitely don't deserve it either. They played like crap all year, and want to make the playoffs at around the .500 mark? I would be happy if over the last 30 games or so they just go 8 games over .500 (19-11), instead of worrying about getting 8 games on the Braves.  | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 09-04-2001 @ 12:34 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Boston would still be able to beat any team in the NL Least. | ||||
| SpiderBob | posted on 09-04-2001 @ 12:58 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Finishing above .500, should be the first goal for the Mets. Then second place, and then first place. If they pulled it off, it would be just fucking amazing. Even if they did lose in the Divisional Round in the playoffs, they deserve all the credit in the world. They have had it rough this year, with injuries and poor closing pitching (I think the starties have come around, but my god to Franco/Benitez just succck ass). Let's go mets go. | ||||
| Francine Banger | posted on 09-04-2001 @ 2:10 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | quote: Man have you watched the team, or are you just talking out of your ass like usual. Benitez has blown just 2 saves all year. Hes like 36 for 38. Thats as good as it gets. And Franco has been solid as a set up man. Its the Hitting thats the reason the Mets have slumped this year, not the Bullpen, especially not Franco or Benitez. | ||||
| Cranky Ass | posted on 09-05-2001 @ 1:17 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | The Mets have more quality starts by their pitchers than any other team in the majors this year. How do you dominate so tremendously with pitching and still manage to be 8 1/2 games out of first place in the worst division in the majors? By losing one game after the other with scores of 2-1, 3-0, 3-2, etc... This has been a heart wrenching season for Mets fans after coming down off the high of the World Series just last year, not to mention missing out on a slew of free agents who could have been the bat we needed all year. Over the last 17 games the Mets have won an incredible 13. The Phillies have lost 14 of 19. The Braves have lost 10 of their last 16. The Phillies led the division by 8 games on June 1st. The Mets are now 5 games behind them. Yes its improbable. Yes it would be incredible. But its not impossible. The Mets have a tendency for driving their fans insane. Why should this year be any different. Nobody thought they'd do it in '69 when they climbed back from 9 1/2 games behind the Cubs on August 13. In '73 Yogi Berra's Mets had won the National League pennant in a fiercely contested five-game Championship Series against a seemingly superior Cincinnati Reds team. Berra's club had qualified for the NL playoffs despite barely finishing over the .500 mark. In a wacky does-anybody-really-want-to-win-this-thing race, the Mets had won the East Division crown with an 82-79 record. AN 82 AND 79 RECORD!!!! There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination Television playwright Serling called this dimension "The Twilight Zone." Baseball people call it the bottom of the 10th inning of Game 6 of the 1986 World Series. Miracles are a part of Mets history. Like Tug McGraw said, YOU GOTTA BELIEVE!!!! ________________ Sig Courtesy Of M-Ace Read My Column, Kickin Ass With FoundryMusicAntD on FoundryMusic.com , the most difficult site to navigate on the net and tune into my midnite show on RonFez.net Radio Proud S.T.O.N.E.R Graduate of The International This message was edited by Cranky Ass on 9-5-01 @ 1:42 AM | ||||
| Cranky Ass | posted on 09-05-2001 @ 11:29 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | Another step in the right direction. Another step towards the sublime. Closer to the improbable becoming reality. Mets 7 Phillies 4 Atlanta 4 Montreal 10 7 1/2 behind Atlanta, 4 1/2 behind Philly. BELIEVE. ________________ Sig Courtesy Of M-Ace Read My Column, Kickin Ass With FoundryMusicAntD on FoundryMusic.com , the most difficult site to navigate on the net and tune into my midnite show on RonFez.net Radio Proud S.T.O.N.E.R Graduate of The International This message was edited by Cranky Ass on 9-5-01 @ 11:32 PM | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 09-06-2001 @ 12:21 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | nypost.com: September 6, 2001 -- OK, so you're a Mets fan. Admit it. Actually, it's not such a terrible thing to own up to anymore. Your team is surging. Suddenly, the division leaders, who a few months ago looked as if they would turn the NL East race into Secretariat's Belmont, are coming back to the field. And your Mets are surging. Six series in a row now, including two in the past week alone over the Phillies, who were laughing at you back in July. But all of that has changed. Since the All-Star Break, the Braves lose just about as often as they win. And the Phillies? They lose so often it is almost as if Steve Phillips is following the philosophy of Casey Stengel, who said of the Amazin' Mets of 1962, "If I can spread enough of them around the league, I might win the pennant." Since July 27, when the Mets got done flooding Philadelphia with former Mets, the Phillies have gone 15-21, the Mets 21-15. Clearly, Todd Pratt, Turk Wendell and Dennis Cook were the problem all along. Now, 7 1/2 games doesn't seem like such a mountain to climb, even with just a little over three weeks to go. And there are still six games left with the first-place Braves, including the final three of the season, which could wind up being for all the bubble gum cards in the East. Mets fans, maybe it will all turn out to have been a nightmare after all. Perhaps your team will turn out to have been just good enough to sneak in under the wire, as Phillips and Fred Wilpon and their legion of apologists have insisted all season long. Uh-oh, time to wake up. No matter what happens the rest of the way - and there is the outside chance that the freefall in Atlanta and Philadelphia will continue long enough for the Mets to back all the way in to October - the worst thing that can happen to the Mets and their fans is for anyone to mistake their false finish for a resurgence. And by "anyone," I mean Phillips and his bosses, the one you never see and the one you see too much of. The Mets win the division and you can hear the "I told you so's" already. And if they turn 2001 into a near-miss, run a suck-up second or third by passing the used-up Phillies, you know someone is going to say, "Geez, if only we hadn't played so bad in April and May . . . " . . . because, you know, this team of August and September is the Real Mets. I'm not buying it, and neither should you. If somehow, the Mets win the division - or die trying - or even wind up a .500 club after floundering for much of the first half of the season, there should be no misunderstanding of what really went on at Shea Stadium this year. Failure. Pure, unadulterated, inexcusable failure. By the players, sure, but mainly, by the front office. The Mets' collapse this year didn't really take place on the field. That was only the follow-through. The real failure came in the offseason, when some baseball genius decided that the team that was just good enough to lose four out of five to the Yankees in the 2000 Series would be just good enough in 2001. Either Wilpon or Doubleday, or both, didn't want to spend the money, or maybe Phillips didn't know how to spend it, but the truth is, this season was lost in the offseason. While the Yankees were adding Mike Mussina to the roster of a team that had won three straight World Championships, the Mets were throwing money at Kevin Appier and Steve Trachsel, and manufacturing reasons not to add Alex Rodriguez or Gary Sheffield or anyone else who could have shored up their anemic lineup. Those two failures will go down in Mets history with the trade of Nolan Ryan for Jim Fregosi and Tom Seaver for Steve Henderson, Pat Zachry and a rosin bag. All four of the Mets outfielders - Matt Lawton, Jay Payton, Benny Agbayani and Tsuyoshi Shinjo - don't add up to one Luis Gonzalez. The combined totals for their starting first and third basemen would embarrass Phil Nevin. And as for their jewel at shortstop, who would the Mets be better off with now, Rey Ordonez or A-Rod? Or Jimmy Rollins, for that matter. The truth is, the Mets don't need minor surgery. They need a major overhaul. They needed it after last year, when it was obvious that the team that lost the World Series in 2000 was unlikely to be good enough to get back to it in 2001. Still, Phillips, Wilpon and Doubleday did nothing in the offseason. They thought they could get by on the cheap, with what they already had. Who's to say they won't feel the same way if the Mets somehow sneak back into this race in the final three weeks? That's why if you're a Mets fan - and go on, you can admit it again - you gotta bereave. If they win, you lose. Again.  | ||||
| NASA | posted on 09-06-2001 @ 12:30 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 01 | quote:I see they have Chinese staff writers at the Post. Seriously though, the Mets should've either laid down and died about two weeks ago, and that article explains exactly why. Now dopey Mets management will think that this illusion, this amazing finish, is enough to not have to go out and spend money on a 'big-time' player. And even if they make the playoffs, only a Championship would reprieve that. | ||||
| Cranky Ass | posted on 09-06-2001 @ 10:15 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | As a Mets fan I can't possibly hope for them to lose just so I can make sure management doesnt go ahead and say 'see, we aint so bad' and not try to improve our team after the season. Mets 5 Florida 2 Atlanta no game Mets pick up 1/2 game, 7 games out now. Oh shit, looks like we're stuck with these bastards again in '02. ;) ________________ Sig Courtesy Of M-Ace Read My Column, Kickin Ass With FoundryMusicAntD on FoundryMusic.com , the most difficult site to navigate on the net and tune into my midnite show on RonFez.net Radio Proud S.T.O.N.E.R Graduate of The International | ||||
| NASA | posted on 09-06-2001 @ 10:27 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 01 | 69 wins baby. I really don't have anything to say, it's just fun to say that number. 69. EDIT1 -- This is the Mets schedule before they face Atlanta six times: 09/08/2001 at Florida 7:05 PM FX/FxNt 09/09/2001 at Florida 4:05 PM FxNt/FxNt 09/11/2001 at Pittsburgh 7:05 PM FxNt/FoxP 09/12/2001 at Pittsburgh 7:05 PM FxNt/FoxP 09/13/2001 at Pittsburgh 1:35 PM FxNt 09/14/2001 Montreal 7:10 PM RDS/FxNt 09/15/2001 Montreal 7:10 PM RDS/WPIX 09/16/2001 Montreal 1:10 PM FxNt 09/17/2001 Pittsburgh 7:10 PM FoxP/FxNt 09/18/2001 Pittsburgh 7:10 PM FoxP/FxNt 09/19/2001 Pittsburgh 7:10 PM FoxP/FxNt Nine CONSECUTIVE games against last place teams before the big games against Atlanta, that gives them a lot of time to catch up. I didn't even give the Mets a chance until now and now that I checked the record, they might just have a chance. And we all know how the Pirates just like to lay down and die for the Mets in important games. "Every game is a playoff game for the Mets from now on." -- Chris "The Doggie" Russo This message was edited by NASA on 9-6-01 @ 10:33 PM | ||||
| PeterDragon | posted on 09-06-2001 @ 10:36 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Cranky, It's a mixed blessing. As you said, if Mets win too much, fans run risk Phillips will over-evaluated their talent again; if Mets don't win, it will be harder to attract any free agents. Being a Met fan is about suffering (of course, less than SAWKS or cubbies); I just hope all games I attend/watch are entertaining.  | ||||
| Francine Banger | posted on 09-06-2001 @ 10:46 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | Dont worry about Phillips. The Mets Front Office knows they fucked up this season no matter what happens. Even if they pull off the miracle, they know that improvements must be made. The only reason they would have won the Division Title is that Atlanta Choked, and about 85 wins won a Division Title. Just enjoy the run they are going through now and hope that they can indeed pull off the miracle. | ||||
| Cranky Ass | posted on 09-06-2001 @ 10:53 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | I'm loving every minute of it. I don't care what they need to do to make the playoffs, its just great to see them winning again. When Leiter gets a triple, Appier gets a RBI in consecutive games, and Traschel turns into Cy friggin Young, you know something strange, and special is going on. ________________ Sig Courtesy Of M-Ace Read My Column, Kickin Ass With FoundryMusicAntD on FoundryMusic.com , the most difficult site to navigate on the net and tune into my midnite show on RonFez.net Radio Proud S.T.O.N.E.R Graduate of The International | ||||
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