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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 2:11 AM      
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quote:

Seeking to add even more pitching for the second half, the first-place New York Yankees acquired Jeff Weaver from Detroit early Saturday in a three-team trade that also included Oakland. As part of the deal, the Athletics sent first baseman Carlos Pena to the Tigers and the Yankees dealt pitcher Ted Lilly to Oakland.



And I was just starting to like Lilly. Oh well.

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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 10:01 AM      
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How the hell did they pull this one off? Jeff Weaver is one of the really good pitchers in the league, so i guess that means he has to be the Yankees' number 5 guy. This really sucks from strictly a baseball fan's point of view. Im not talking as a Mets fan, im talking as a baseball fan when i say that all this shit that the Yanks do is not good for the game. Why should any of the other teams even try to compete now? The Yanks have it all. And it really sucks.


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2. Hate the Braves with a passion
3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year
4. Mets win World Series
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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 10:51 AM      
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quote:

The Yanks have it all


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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 10:54 AM      
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Registered: Mar. 02
With pettite back from the DL, they had no choice but to try and send him away for some good prospects.


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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 1:02 PM      
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Registered: Feb. 01
Unless they are gonna be total assholes and just put Weaver in the bullpen to waste his talent, I'm thinking this is a precursor to another starter getting traded. Probably El Duque. They'll probably trade El Duque and Rondell White to the Giants for Barry Bonds and half of Bonds' salary the way they've been going lately :rolleyes:

Or they could just make Weaver their long man, which is so insulting to the guys' talent and is such overkill, it's a move only the Yankees would make.

The funny thing is, though, that the only two guys on this thread who seem to know just how good Weaver is are the two non-Yankee fans.

[Sarcasm] Gee, Yankee fans aren't front runners who don't really care about baseball, no.
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If I were one of the very few TRUE Yankee fans (you know, who actually remember The Stump Merrill Years), I'd be pissed at how most Yankee fans portray their team's fans as. It really is embarrassing to the Yankee fans who actually know shit about baseball that these God damn front running losers always come out here and know nothing about any player on any other team.

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3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year
4. Mets win the World Series
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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 2:02 PM      
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quote:

With pettite back from the DL, they had no choice but to try and send him away for some good prospects.


Somehow I think Weaver, who was the Tigers #1 starter, is more than a "prospect"

What Yankees did is take advantage of situation to acquire another #1 starter. They play by the rules, but it doesn't exactly help competitive balance.

It must be great to be a Yankee fan, but it sux to be a fan of any other team.


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2. 90 Wins and somehow get the Mets into playoffs this year
3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year
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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 3:35 PM      
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The funny thing is, though, that the only two guys on this thread who seem to know just how good Weaver is are the two non-Yankee fans.


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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 4:05 PM      
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explain to me how this is bad for baseball.

the yankees didn't outbid everyone for weaver, they aren't paying him any more money than other teams would, they put together a package and the other team took it, end of story. if other teams knew how to scout, recruit, and draft as well as the yankees do, then maybe they could develop a good farm system and make trades like the yankees do.

in closing, fuck you to jealous met fans who wish they could do what the yanks are doing right now. develop a fucking farm system instead of paying out the ass for overpriced free agents, and then come back and whine about how the yankees are bad for baseball.


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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 4:42 PM      
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Ok, CLS, you f'n tool, here we go:

quote:

if other teams knew how to scout, recruit, and draft as well as the yankees do, then maybe they could develop a good farm system and make trades like the yankees do.



A couple of things, a) the Yankees buy the majority of their farm system. Explain Drew Henson to me, and tell me if any other team would take that financial risk in a kid who, IMO, was a better football player than 3B. b) The Yankees buy their scouts. Explain to me how they have the most talent scouts on any team in all of baseball? Because they can afford it thats why. Teams like KC and Minnesota cant afford to have tons of scouts on every level of their system like the Yanks can.

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in closing, fuck you to jealous met fans who wish they could do what the yanks are doing right now



FUCK YOU for thinking that only Mets fans think this way. Can you and other Yankee fans like you get it through your thick fucking skulls that us Mets fans dont sit around caring about your "beloved" Yankees all the time? Baseball fans in general hate the Yankees for many different reasons, and what they did the past week getting Mondesi and Weaver like this just adds fuel to the fire.

quote:

develop a fucking farm system instead of paying out the ass for overpriced free agents, and then come back and whine about how the yankees are bad for baseball.


Um, what do you call Sterling Hitchcock, Steve Karsay, and David Wells (all free agents that you overpaid for?). FUCK YOU for thinking that your squad is so fucking perfect, and can do no wrong.


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1. 94 Wins and NL East Title by the Mets this year
2. Hate the Braves with a passion
3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year
4. Mets win World Series
5. Hold out hope for winning the pennant, but look forward to football, hockey, and basketball


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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 4:56 PM      
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i never said we do no wrong. yankees have made many mistakes in the past, hitchcock is a good example. never have i said the yanks don't fuck up, when they do i'm the first to criticize.

however, when it comes to players we sign for millions and bank on to take us to the playoffs, you have to admit the yankees are better at it than the mets (see: burnitz, alomar and vaughn).

and please...with a 100+ million dollar payroll, you telling me that the mets cant afford scouts to go find them good talent? come on, even you can't believe that.

just because your season is over no need to do the usual men fan 'care more about the yankees losing than my team winning' thing. though i'll admit the met fans are mighty good at that, they get lots of practice.


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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 5:03 PM      
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quote:

however, when it comes to players we sign for millions and bank on to take us to the playoffs, you have to admit the yankees are better at it than the mets (see: burnitz, alomar and vaughn).



First off, those werent free agents genius. We traded for all 3 of those players, and we actually had to give up players to get them (see Matt Lawton, Glendon Rusch, Kelvin Escobar, Kevin Appier).

quote:

just because your season is over no need to do the usual men fan 'care more about the yankees losing than my team winning' thing.



GET IT THROUGH YOUR SKULL YOU FUCKING DOUCHEBAG!! Its not a "Met thing", its a baseball thing in general. Baseball fans are getting sick of the same old thing happening every year with the Yankees taking and giving away any player that they want, with money not even being a factor.


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1. 94 Wins and NL East Title by the Mets this year
2. Hate the Braves with a passion
3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year
4. Mets win World Series
5. Hold out hope for winning the pennant, but look forward to football, hockey, and basketball


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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 5:12 PM      
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Registered: Feb. 01
Let us take a look at the Yankees as a whole, shall we?

1B Jason Giambi -- BOUGHT

2B Alfonso Soriano -- BOUGHT (signed with Yanks after they offered him more money, cuz they can afford to sign a risky prospect for six figures unlike the Cincinnati Reds, for instance)

SS Derek Jeter -- BOUGHT (Only able to be kept cuz the Yanks can afford to pay him 200 billion dollars)

3B Robin Ventura -- BOUGHT (Only team able to take his contract)

LF Rondell White -- BOUGHT

CF Bernie Williams -- BOUGHT (was headed to Boston, but Steinbrenner offered him one penny more as he was saying goodbye, remember?)

RF Raul Mondesi -- BOUGHT (Don't need to explain this one)

C- Jorge Posada -- BOUGHT (see: Jeter and Williams)

DH Nick Johnson -- OMG! He might not have been bought! MAYBE. Chances are he only went to the Yankees for the same reason as Soriano, but I don't know for sure, so I'll be nice and say "not bought."

STARTERS:

Clemens -- BOUGHT (see: just about same reason as Mondesi, only he also added an assholish quality of demanding to be traded as well)

Pettite -- BOUGHT (see: Jeter, Posada and Williams)

Wells -- BOUGHT

Mussina -- BOUGHT

El Duque -- BOUGHT (poor poor poor Padres)

BULLPEN:

Karsay-- BOUGHT

Stanton -- BOUGHT

Rivera -- BOUGHT (see: Jeter, Williams, Posada and Pettite)

Mendoza -- OMG! Congrats! You actually could still have him on your team if you were the Royals! GOOD JOB!

All others suck (COUGHShane SpencerCOUGH) or were bought too (VanDerWal, etc.).

So, as you can see, douchenozzle, if the Yankees had, nevermind the extreme have-nots, let's just say the San Francisco Giants' money, ok? Well, half the guys wouldn't be on the team. So, take your prospect and good scouts and good talent evaluation bullshit and stick it up your fucking ass, ok? Besides, I have news for you. Those scouts, who ARE good, I will admit? They are BOUGHT, too.

The only teams the Yankees can be somewhat compared to, and even this is a stretch cuz they spend alot more than them, too, are teams like the Mets, Dodgers, etc. And yes, the Yankees are better than the Mets because they spend their money wiser. That is a fair comment.

However, what is not fair is when they are compared to just about every other team out there. No franchise hass been smarter than the Oakland A's the past half decade or so. NO TEAM. And can the A's compete with the Yanks? No. Because outside of the great starters and a couple good hitters, they can't have as complete a team as the Yanks cuz they can't afford one. It's unfair. See the times they play in the playoffs. The Yanks just are more complete than them.

And THAT, fuckwad, is the reason why the Yankees (and Mets, Dodgers, Braves, etc.) are ALL bad for baseball.

It is amazing how some people are too fucking stupid to figure that out though, and many of them trek to the Bronx.

If you liked baseball, you'd want a salary cap or at least a fairer system in place. But, hey, it's all in the talent evaluation, right? :rolleyes:

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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 5:14 PM      
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alright, you want to discuss, no need to be all retarded about it...more than happy to argue the teams but no need to get angry because i root for one group of strangers and you root for another.

even if they were trades, isn't that the same thing as the yankees getting jeff weaver or raul mondesi? thats where the complaints started from right? the only guys that are regular contributers that the yankees got from free agency are giambi and mussina. everyone else they developed, or dealt guys in their farm system for. the yankees know how to develop talent, thats why they win.


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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 5:19 PM      
Psychopath
Registered: Feb. 01
quote:

alright, you want to discuss, no need to be all retarded about it...



Well, you did a damn fine job of starting to act retarded. To just poo poo everything to "it's just retarded Met fans who say that" is asinine.

2002 Crack Committee Objectives:
1. 94 Wins and the NL East title
2. Hate the Braves with a passion.
3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year
4. Mets win the World Series
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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 5:23 PM      
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Registered: Jan. 01
quote:

BOUGHT



Wow, this is the brightest revelation to ever hit the MLB. Ever since we all found out that...ALL BASEBALL PLAYERS GET BOUGHT TO PLAY ON TEAMS.

Soriano? He's not paid very much right now, is he? Jeter deserved the money, just like A-Rod did. Giambi deserved his money. So did Rivera.
Besides, look at some of the dumbass payments other teams make. Mo Vaugn? Mondesi? These guy deserve the money?

The Yankees are bright enough to know at least which players are good enough to deserve big money.

And besides the money, look at the Yankees as a part of history? Whenever you talk to a player about where he'd like to play, The Yankees always come up. Why? Because this is the team that the greats played for. Playing in the House that Ruth Built. You think a player would rather play in Shea?

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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 5:47 PM      
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wow diamond dust you amaze me.

lets go through shall we?

Giambi - free agency, give you that one

Soriano - makes $630,000 this year. yankee farmhand. you tell me any team that can't afford a $630,000 all-star.

Jeter - Yankee farmhand, could've gotten the money from at least 4 or 5 other interested teams, decided to stay in NY.

Ventura - Mets dead wood that found himself in pinstripes. traded for justice, a guy making more money than he was. yankees made money on the deal, not what i'd call bought.

Posada - Yankee Farmhand, would be still on his original contract just got an extention to stay here for 7 million. would have gotten that much, if not more anywhere else he went as the second best catcher in the AL, and best when pudge is hurt.

Bernie - yet another yankee farmhand (do you see the trend yet) that stuck around, yankees matched Boston's offer and he stayed.

Mondesi - Traded for absolutley nothing, paying only half his salary, no risk on yankees side, toronto just wanted to get rid of him.

White, free agent, spot you that one.

Nick Johnson - another farmhand, making next to nothing.

Pettite - another farmhand, making market value for a frontline lefty, no more.

Mussina - Free agent, spot you that one too.

El Duque - chose to come to NY, 4 teams offered the same money when he defected, he chose the yanks.

Wells - would play for the yankees for half of what he got elsewhere, wants to be here.

Weaver - gave up a promising young pitcher (Lilly) and two good prospects for him, he's making only 4 mil a year, not exactly top money.

Rivera - yankee farmhand (again) would me making much more bucks on the open market as the best closer in baseball.

so you see of all those guys that you mentioned, i count 3 who the yankees "bought." Giambi, Mussina and White. The yankees develop good talent, 7 of their starters/major pitchers came up through the yankee system, and the yankees are able to keep their prospects. thats the only place money comes into play. now its beyond comparing team issues, because you, my friend are truly an idiot.

EDIT: and by the way, this is why i normally avoid discussions like these, because you can't have an intelligent argument about the teams or the game with anyone here. it always degrades into this.


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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 6:00 PM      
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quote:

Soriano? He's not paid very much right now, is he?
quote:

Soriano - makes $630,000 this year. yankee farmhand

Let's remember how Soriano became a Yankee farmhand: He was actually signed by Hiroshima of the Japanese League when he was just 16 years old. After three seasons in Japan, he "retired" so he could sign a free-agent deal with the Yankees in 1998. The Yankees ended up being his choice to sign with as they outbid the competition including the Cleveland Indians. Like Henson, he was high priced before even playing in american pro ball.

Remember, I did say that the Yankees play within the rules. However, can you deny that the Yankees having 15 all stars makes them miles ahead in talent?

Saying that the Mets spend 100 million is equal to the Yankee 130 million is nonsense. Just think what could be bought for the extra 30 mil, let alone what the SF Giants spend.

The Yankees have a competitive advantage the way Microsoft has a competitive advantage. Is it legal? yes. Do I wish my team could do this? of course. But that doesn't make it good for baseball. Saying that is not jealousy. It doesn't take a rocket science to realize that it is best for the sport to have different teams win.

Do I think baseball should do something about the way the Yankees operate? probably not. Unlike football, there is a reason why the Yankees have the most revenue, and if they chose to spend money instead of hoard it, that is their perogative. Just don't ask me to like it.


2002 Crack Committee Objectives: (modified version)(You gotta try and believe....)
1.Hate the Braves with PASSION and extreme prejudice
1a. Try and go a week without having to punch a wall in frustration after watching the Mets play
2. 90 Wins and somehow get the Mets into playoffs this year
3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year
3a.Have team understand it is OK to get a hit with runners on base.
4. Mets win World Series (after divine intervention)



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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 6:12 PM      
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Registered: Feb. 01
[Foghorn Leghorn]Critics, you are about as sharp as a sack of wet mice. [/Foghorn Leghorn]

My point on those guys you mentioned is that the Yankees wouldn't be able to keep them if they were a smaller market. Ok? No denying they have had good scouts and good farm systems (well, lately, not as good, but I digress), but the fact remains if you were even a mid-level team like the aforementioned Giants, you wouldn't be able to keep them. The A's are SMARTER run than you and they can't keep their guys, including a gentleman by the name of Giambi. And if they DID sign him like they almost did last season, they would've had to sell a few of the other great players like the pitchers anyway when it came time to sign them, so they'd have been cutting off their nose to spite their face. Do you understand my point, now?

Holy shit, it's not that difficult to understand really.

As for Soriano, nobody was sure he'd be a fucking All-Star when he was signed, genius. The Yanks can afford to take that risk. If the Royals try to do that and Soriano becomes a bust (which at that time, he very well could be), they are fucked out of another player they could have at the major league level, which they don't have many to begin with.

And you mention that "Jeter could have gone to 4 or 5 other team." Well, who are those 4 or 5 other teams? Oh that's right, the teams I mentioned that are JUST AS BAD FOR BASEBALL AS THE YANKEES, including my beloved Mets. You want me to go through the Mets and how they've bought their players, too, and bought their 2000 NL pennant, I'd be glad too.

Just because you root for the Yankees doesn't mean you have to suck their bean bag every chance you get. Admit that they're part of the problem in baseball, like I and, I think, many other Met fans do of the Mets. It's the first step to getting a solution. We don't need delusional people like you who believe the farm system propaganda. That worked in '96 when those prospects weren't making shit. Now, they're making 10 mill a year. It's different now.

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1. 94 Wins and the NL East title
2. Hate the Braves with a passion.
3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year
4. Mets win the World Series


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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 7:08 PM      
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quote:

Just because you root for the Yankees doesn't mean you have to suck their bean bag every chance you get. Admit that they're part of the problem in baseball, like I and, I think, many other Met fans do of the Mets



Hey, why don't those other teams work on getting our sweet cable and broadcasting deals. THen youd have the money to compete. If you wanna watch good baseball for guys who are willing to play just for the sake of baseball, watch the Olymipics.

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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 7:26 PM      
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quote:

Hey, why don't those other teams work on getting our sweet cable and broadcasting deals



You're not serious, are you?
You should well know that there is nothing that could possibly make the Kansas City Royals get anything remotely as good as Yankee deals. Even forgetting the disparity between a team playing in the number 1 TV market vs the midwest, there are certain teams which have national appeal. Even before the Yankees went on their penant binge they were the most popular team in the world, just like the Dallas Cowboys are in football. Of course, since the Cowboys play in a league which has exclusive national TV deals, and since there is a salary cap, there no longer is a competitive imbalance.

Be reasonable. Just admit that the Yankees are taking advantage of the way the rules are written, and have no obligation to change their ways.


2002 Crack Committee Objectives: (modified version)(You gotta try and believe....)
1.Hate the Braves with PASSION and extreme prejudice
1a. Try and go a week without having to punch a wall in frustration after watching the Mets play
2. 90 Wins and somehow get the Mets into playoffs this year
3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year
3a.Have team understand it is OK to get a hit with runners on base.
4. Mets win World Series (after divine intervention)

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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 7:30 PM      
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Registered: Jan. 01
quote:

Just admit that the Yankees are taking advantage of the way the rules are written, and have no obligation to change their ways.



Why can't other teams work just as hard in order to beat them? Everyone loves an underdog. There's no reason to change the rules, why cant those other teams just work twice as hard as the other guy. That's how other athletes win.

You want an excuse to blame the Yankees for being so good when your team sucks.

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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 8:08 PM      
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quote:

My point on those guys you mentioned is that the Yankees wouldn't be able to keep them if they were a smaller market. Ok? No denying they have had good scouts and good farm systems (well, lately, not as good, but I digress), but the fact remains if you were even a mid-level team like the aforementioned Giants, you wouldn't be able to keep them. The A's are SMARTER run than you and they can't keep their guys, including a gentleman by the name of Giambi. And if they DID sign him like they almost did last season, they would've had to sell a few of the other great players like the pitchers anyway when it came time to sign them, so they'd have been cutting off their nose to spite their face. Do you understand my point, now?

Is there a chance that I may ask a question or two without getting my head dislodged from the rest of my body? :-D

Can anyone explain why the Seattle Mariners, at best a "mid-market" city like the afore-mentioned Giants, lost three top-level superstar players, and yet finished with the best record in baseball last year, and continue to contend (if not outright dominate) their division? Why are they so much more successful now with (relatively speaking) less than before?

By the same token, why is it that a "mid-market" team like the Texas Rangers spent gobs of money, yet are in the basement of their division, looking up at the team they BOUGHT their best player from?

Doesn't it seem that it is not so much how much money is thrown at building or upgrading one's team, but rather how wisely the moves are made and that money is spent?

Are you pondering what I'm pondering?


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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 9:04 PM      
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I'm all in favor of revenue sharing.

i'm also all in favor of a salary cap. I think that the top seven or eight teams in salary should slice thier payrolls to 80 million, give that excess to the lower market teams, and everyone should have an even playing field.

however, don't think that that will solve baseball's problems. Basketball has a hard salary cap and a maximum player salary in place, and three teams have won the championship in the last 12 years. salary caps are not a cure all.

I've NEVER been on the yankees been bag as you so cleverly put it...when they fuck up i'm the first to say it. but i don't cry when the mets or dodgers or red sox sign free agents or trade for big names, because thats the state of the game right now. so i don't think that met fans or red sox fans or anyone else should do that when the yankees go out and get talent.

oh and also, the yankees have an owner, who hate him if you must, wants to win. do you know who the richest owner in baseball is? David Glass, son of Wal-mart king Sam Walton, and now owner of the Kansas City Royals. many owners don't sink money into their team to make them contenders of their own volition, even if they can afford it. cities like KC and other small markets can and will make money if they put winning clubs on the team. the owners just don't want to invest in that.

and brain...thank you, you proved my point perfectly. mid-market cities like oakland and seattle and St. Louis put winners out there by spending their money wisely, more wisely than mediocre big market teams like, sorry to say, your mets. thats how the yankees win. they just happen to have a little more money to spend, and do well with it.


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PeterDragon
posted on 07-06-2002 @ 9:20 PM      
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quote:

they just happen to have a little more money to spend, and do well with it.


That is like saying Bill Gates just happens to have a little more money than I do.

Yes, the Yankees spend their money well. No one here denies that. Like Gates, they have enough money to overcome errors that others can't overcome. Which other team can sign someone like Sterling Hitchcock, and not have it affect them when he bombs? For every Texas Rangers there are 2 Kansas City Royals.

Like Gates also, there are times that the small can beat the big - however it happens rarely.

If you think this is just bitching, then you are being blinded by team loyalty. My team has opportunity to spend more money than about 25 other teams, and doesn't do it well. I'll admit that easily.

Glass is not comparable to Steinbrenner. It isn't personal fortunes we're discussing. Steinbrenner's Yankees make more money than other teams EVEN THOUGH THEY SPEND. Steinbrenner doesn't go into his own pocket. To expect other teams to is not fair.


2002 Crack Committee Objectives: (modified version)(You gotta try and believe....)
1.Hate the Braves with PASSION and extreme prejudice
1a. Try and go a week without having to punch a wall in frustration after watching the Mets play
2. 90 Wins and somehow get the Mets into playoffs this year
3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year
3a.Have team understand it is OK to get a hit with runners on base.
4. Mets win World Series (after divine intervention)
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posted on 07-06-2002 @ 9:26 PM      
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you're right the yankees make money. do you think if the yankees were putting the royal's product on the field they'd get 40,000 in the stadium on a weekday?

When the royals were winning in the late 80's, that stadium was full and they were making money.

its that old addage, 'you have to spend money to make money' - if glass dipped into his fortune now and put a contending team on the field, he'd make it back real quick. thats what I'm talking about.

and i never accused you of bitching. this is the kind of debate i enjoy, i'd much rather discuss this with you than some of your crack committee brethren, who are as you say blinded by team loyalty and hatred for the other team and can't put together an unbiased arguement. so kudos to you :-D


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I am no hero, thats for sure
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Where you go is where I want to be.


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