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http://www.johntitor.com/

Anyone else ever heard of this before? A few years ago, a man claiming to be from the future time-traveled to our time (or 3 years ago time), and chatted it up on some internet message forums. He mentioned that there was another US Civil War in 2005 and then a major international nuclear war by 2015.

Quote:Copyright Proof of Significant John Titor Predictions Today is September 15, 2003
Version 1.0 © May 19, 2003 by Karl Simanonok
http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/CopyrightProof.cfm

TITLE: JOHN TITOR VALIDITY TEST BASED ON PREDICTION OF CIVIL WAR BY 2004-2005

PURPOSE: This document outlines five of the more significant predictions made by a person calling himself John Titor who claimed to be a military time traveler from 2036. (\"Titor\" is believed to be shorthand for Time Traveler and not his real last name). These predictions are compiled here and formally copyrighted as proof of their existence at this time so that they may be used to either give credence to, or invalidate, predictions 1 through 4 based on whether or not prediction 5 (civil war in America) comes true.

PREDICTIONS:

Primary interest and concern surrounds Mr. Titor's prediction of a global nuclear war in 2015 that will destroy most of the major cities in the United States and many around the world, kill a large fraction of the world's population, and leave the environment contaminated with massive amounts of long-lived radionuclides. By 2036 when civilization has begun to regroup, we of today will be known as the generation that had it all, but threw it away.

Microsingularities (mini black holes) will be created soon at a particle collider, and physicists will eventually learn how to build time machines using two of them at a time. It is already expected by some physicists that particle energies will be high enough to create microsingularities at CERN's Large Hadron Collider when it begins operation in 2007, but Mr. Titor did not say exactly where and when they would be discovered. The Titor-specific part of this prediction is that microsingularities can and will be used to build time-travel machines.

The multiple-worlds theory is true, and there somehow exists an infinity of universes where somewhere each choice possible gets actualized, as new \"worldlines\" constantly spin off from one another. Similar wordlines may be thought of as alternate realities in which details may vary slightly if one is not too far from another, but some worldlines may diverge drastically apart. Apparently as Mr. Titor's time machine operates it navigates through these alternate realities, and time travelers try to stay as close to possible to their original worldline, the success of their efforts being measured in percent divergence from their original worldline. We are just a few percent divergence away from Mr. Titor's original worldline, he says. According to Mr. Titor, while he believes we are headed for and will experience the same major disasters he knows from his history, we still have the power to alter our reality as we choose: we do have free will. Because there are an infinity of universes where all different choices are played out anyway, it therefore wouldn't harm anything if we did take steps to intelligently modify our future, and that is also why Mr. Titor felt he could do no harm by slightly modifying this reality by revealing himself here. He mentioned some small divergences he's noticed, such as books not written and sports events won by other teams, which he says is normal for divergence of a few percent, and that some divergence is inevitable (he can never return to the exact same worldline he left in 2036, but he can come very close).

Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) will be epidemic by 2036 and it is spread by eating the meat of animals infected with related diseases such as BSE (bovine spongiform encephalopathy, better known as Mad Cow Disease). CJD is a horrible and fatal brain-deteriorating disease for which there is no treatment or cure, presently believed to be caused by a prion (an abnormal isoform of a host-encoded protein, with no RNA or DNA). Mr. Titor expressed astonishment that people are so careless about the food they routinely ingest; apparently CJD has a latent period of 10 to 30 years, which means (if Mr. Titor was not a fraud) that many people are probably unwittingly contracting the disease today who will become victims of the CJD epidemic. We're ignorant meat eaters.

Civil war in the United States will begin in 2004 or 2005, as the result of increasingly oppressive police state tactics like warrantless searches and other violations of American civil liberties. It will become common for people to have their doors kicked in and homes violently invaded by police looking for evildoers. The Gestapo-style oppression of innocents by an increasingly oppressive and murderous government will be worst in the cities, so many people will seek refuge in the countryside, but police will soon enough seek them out there too. Civil war will emerge as a more or less continuous series of military sieges and confrontations resembling the Ruby Ridge and Waco police massacres of 1992 and 1993, and it will begin by 2004 or perhaps 2005 (it might not be obvious in the beginning what's actually happening). As time goes on the civil war will become more and more a continuous conflict between paranoid government forces headquartered in the cities, against perceived or imagined threats in the rural civilian population. The American government will wage war against its own citizens, winning most of the battles, but the battling will drag on for years. In the nuclear war of 2015 our cities will be primary targets, so the civil war will end then in favor of the rurals when the government and its domestic armies are destroyed. In this way the nuclear war will be regarded by the survivors as a good thing.

SIGNIFICANCE: At the time of John Titor's telling of his story via the Web and IRC (internet relay chat) in 2000 and 2001, and even by the time of this document's copyright in 2003, the prospect of civil war in America seems an outlandish prediction. Surely it is so farfetched that only a genuine time traveler or very good fortune teller could forsee it at this time. If a civil war in America does validate prediction 5, a reasonable person ought to consider that Mr. Titor was not a fraud and that nuclear war is very likely to occur in 2015. In that case it will remain possible (though still not probable) to prevent nuclear war, but only if we are able to face the evidence and respond appropriately so that things can be turned around from their present course. It's remotely possible that the hard cold proof provided by this document may sufficiently alter our worldline to prevent nuclear calamity, but it's more likely that only a modest number of individuals will take heed of an early warning even in the face of its validation. Denial can allow people to believe in whatever they want to believe in, and people who do not become aware of John Titor's story until after civil war has begun may quite rationally tend to disbelieve that this information existed much sooner and not fabricated after the fact, unless they have some proof of it. The purpose of these predictions being copyrighted is to therefore provide one way to irrefutably prove that they did exist before the predicted civil war in America: anyone can go to the Copyright Office and see for themselves.

Prediction 3 about multiple worlds is important to us for two reasons: first that we need not be concerned about trying to prevent calamity if we can (there would be no harm in changing our worldline for the better), and secondly that some of the details about what Mr. Titor has said could be off slightly because of divergence between his worldline and our own. For example it might be that nuclear war on our worldline won't occur until 2016 even though Mr. Titor was quite exact about 2015. Or let's say if divergence between worldlines delayed the predicted 2004-2005 civil war until 2006 or 2007 we would certainly have to question the accuracy of the 2015 date, and some might question if any of Mr. Titor's information could be genuine if civil war is delayed a year or two on our worldline. But he said it will grow gradually and won't totally affect everbody until 2008, so maybe it will take that long to convince some that the situation has grown irreversibly horrible. But we can expect to see things happening soon that fit the criteria of civil war if you consider one siege or another like Waco going on pretty frequently, that's what he said, and that it will only get worse and worse until it is completely indisputable to everyone by 2008. By then the conflict supposedly grows into a real war, and afterward it continues mercilessly until 2015. I think it is important to analyze Mr. Titor's information more in terms of significant trends and events rather than splitting hairs over minutae as we evaluate what Mr. Titor had to say to us because it's the big things that really matter and divergence would be expected to change the timing or other characteristics of small things, but is less likely to affect big things. It's the big things we care about anyway.

Fuller documentation and discussion about John Titor is a work in progress on the Web at http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/.

PROOF: Submitted for copyright registration on 5/20/03 to:


Library of Congress
Copyright Office
101 Independence Avenue, S.E.
Washington, D.C. 20559-6000


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The rantings of a lunatic...a creative hoax...or a scary warning?
there seems to be a problem with the flux capacitor
Quote:A few years ago, a man claiming to be from the future time-traveled to our time (or 3 years ago time), and chatted it up on some internet message forums.

Because, of course everyone would want to travel back in time to chat on INTERNET MESSAGE BOARDS. That in itself should kill any sense of legitimacy, never mind the fact that he gave himself an out with the "multiple worlds" theory.
the only thing truely disturbing is this:

What if he's for real?

:disappointed:
Lock'n load motherfuckers. Time to cap some Jack Booted Thugs.
I thought this was pretty interesting:

http://communities.anomalies.net/cgi-bin...9&t=000024


Quote:<b>02-25-2001</b> 07:31 AM Profile My Posts Edit IP: Logged

John Titor
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((3) Ever hear the story of Oedipus? To make a long sotry short, after being told he will kill his father and marry his mother he moves far away. On the road he accidentally killed his father and ended up marrying his mother. Thus, the prophecy is what caused him to fulfill it. You say you don't want to effect anything too much by giving out information, but you could drastically change this worldline just by talking about the war, or anything for that matter.))

I see your point but do you think Oedipus would not have taken those actions if he didn’t know the prophecy? I don’t believe that knowing a possible future makes it happen. You are capable of changing your worldline for the better right now. None of the things I have said will be a surprise. They were set in motion ten, twenty, even thirty years ago. <b>Are you really surprised to find out that Iraq has nukes now or is that just BS to whip everyone up into accepting the next war?</b>
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Quote:A few years ago, a man claiming to be from the future time-traveled to our time (or 3 years ago time), and chatted it up on some internet message forums.

Because, of course everyone would want to travel back in time to chat on INTERNET MESSAGE BOARDS. That in itself should kill any sense of legitimacy, never mind the fact that he gave himself an out with the "multiple worlds" theory.

again, just playing the "what if" card and such but seriously...do you think he would have been able to sound off on CNN or something? what better way to spread truth than the internet? I know, its ironic that one would turn to such a medium but, what better way is there to reach so many people at once?

Again, what choice do you think he had? Do you think the Today Show would have put him on?

All I'm saying is that IF this guy is/was for real than man we sure do have some shitty times coming up.

Sad

and think about this "war on terrorism" and how quickly support for it has dropped, at least our role in Iraq. That could be one of the seeds that sprouts into a "tree of causes/excuses/reasons that lead us into civil war", no?

As far as the gestapo tactics of the police becoming widespread and such, hmmm...."Homeland Security" could pave the way for such tactics being approved don't you think?
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Is that an Aerobed on the right?
And that seat looks like is it from GM Delta '77.

HOAX!

But this guy's story I believe. the kicker is at the end ( I have highlighted it for you)
Quote:'TIME-TRAVELER' BUSTED FOR INSIDER TRADING
Wednesday March 19, 2003



By CHAD KULTGEN

NEW YORK -- Federal investigators have arrested an enigmatic Wall Street wiz on insider-trading charges -- and incredibly, he claims to be a time-traveler from the year 2256!

Sources at the Security and Exchange Commission confirm that 44-year-old Andrew Carlssin offered the bizarre explanation for his uncanny success in the stock market after being led off in handcuffs on January 28.

\"We don't believe this guy's story -- he's either a lunatic or a pathological liar,\" says an SEC insider.

\"But the fact is, with an initial investment of only $800, in two weeks' time he had a portfolio valued at over $350 million. Every trade he made capitalized on unexpected business developments, which simply can't be pure luck.

\"The only way he could pull it off is with illegal inside information. He's going to sit in a jail cell on Rikers Island until he agrees to give up his sources.\"

The past year of nose-diving stock prices has left most investors crying in their beer. So when Carlssin made a flurry of 126 high-risk trades and came out the winner every time, it raised the eyebrows of Wall Street watchdogs.

\"If a company's stock rose due to a merger or technological breakthrough that was supposed to be secret, Mr. Carlssin somehow knew about it in advance,\" says the SEC source close to the hush-hush, ongoing investigation.

When investigators hauled Carlssin in for questioning, they got more than they bargained for: A mind-boggling four-hour confession.

Carlssin declared that he had traveled back in time from over 200 years in the future, when it is common knowledge that our era experienced one of the worst stock plunges in history. Yet anyone armed with knowledge of the handful of stocks destined to go through the roof could make a fortune.

\"It was just too tempting to resist,\" Carlssin allegedly said in his videotaped confession. \"I had planned to make it look natural, you know, lose a little here and there so it doesn't look too perfect. But I just got caught in the moment.\"

In a bid for leniency, Carlssin has reportedly offered to divulge \"historical facts\" such as the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden and a cure for AIDS.

All he wants is to be allowed to return to the future in his \"time craft.\"

However, he refuses to reveal the location of the machine or discuss how it works, supposedly out of fear the technology could \"fall into the wrong hands.\"

Officials are quite confident the \"time-traveler's\" claims are bogus. Yet the SEC source admits, \"No one can find any record of any Andrew Carlssin existing anywhere before December 2002.\"

Weekly World News will continue to follow this story as it unfolds. Keep watching for further developments.
Quote:As far as the gestapo tactics of the police becoming widespread and such, hmmm....\"Homeland Security\" could pave the way for such tactics being approved don't you think?

If you've been following any of the recent administrations pushing of The Department of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act, Patriot II or Victory Act, you would have to seriously ask yourself why do they seek so much power?

The Patriot Act was passed a month after 9/11 without any of our" Law Makers" as so much as reading it?!?

If that isn't enough of a clue as to what is coming, read into those "Laws". GW can label you or anyone for that matter a "terrorist" and hold you indefinite without any due process. No Lawyer to advise you, not even having to bring you before a Judge to see if you are worthy of bail.

Is that the American you would choose for your children to grow up in?
Interestingly enough, yesterday FARK linked to an article on Salon.com describing how law enforcement agencies are using the Patriot Act to go after common criminals.


Quote:Civil liberties and legal defense groups are bothered by the string of cases, and say the government soon will be routinely using harsh anti-terrorism laws against run-of-the-mill lawbreakers.

\"Within six months of passing the Patriot Act, the Justice Department was conducting seminars on how to stretch the new wiretapping provisions to extend them beyond terror cases,\" said Dan Dodson, a spokesman for the National Association of Criminal Defense Attorneys. \"They say they want the Patriot Act to fight terrorism, then, within six months, they are teaching their people how to use it on ordinary citizens.\"

Compare that to Ashcroft's own words in defense of the Patriot Act in December of 2001:


Quote:In all these ways and more, the Department of Justice has sought to prevent terrorism with reason, careful balance and excruciating attention to detail. Some of our critics, I regret to say, have shown less affection for detail. Their bold declarations of so-called fact have quickly dissolved, upon inspection, into vague conjecture. Charges of \"kangaroo courts\" and \"shredding the Constitution\" give new meaning to the term, \"the fog of war.\"

Since lives and liberties depend upon clarity, not obfuscation, and reason, not hyperbole, let me take this opportunity today to be clear: Each action taken by the Department of Justice, as well as the war crimes commissions considered by the President and the Department of Defense, is carefully drawn to target a narrow class of individuals -- terrorists. Our legal powers are targeted at terrorists. Our investigation is focused on terrorists. Our prevention strategy targets the terrorist threat.

How anyone can continue to support these thugs is beyond me.
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