I guess I'll start the thread since I have the matching Sig Pic. Honestly, as a jew I don't see what the big deal is. A movie is a piece of art and you should be able to depict whatever you want to. Mel Gibson is convinced that this is the true depiction... Well, I don't remember reading about him being there. Everyone has their own beliefs and whatnot. I say it was 2000 years ago so who the fuck really cares. What if it was the Jews that strung him up, is that any reflection on jews today?
People it seems will bitch about anything just for the sake of bitching. Like Indians crying over the Wasington Redskin or the outfits at the Grammys. Italians bitching about the Sopranos. Etc, etc... Fuckin' A, if your going to bitch about anything, bitch about the lack of quality of some of these things.... That's the true crime. From the reviews I've read so far this movie blows, so all this hoopla is for a movie that should bomb anyow. But, because of all the hype played up over all the whining and complaining, Passion will probably make it's money back.
Basically Gibson saying that this is a true depiction is him saying that he tried to make a movie that portrays what is in the gospels.
Whether the gospels are true or not is another discussion entirely. Essentially though the bible is a book of stories written for various specific groups of people in various specific times in history to convey various specific messages. The gospels are no different.
People shouldn't be offended by this film just like I shouldn't be offended by your sig. Good work by the way.
**and it's NATIVE AMERICANS! Not INDIANS!!!!
Paul Harvey Comments on "The Passion" by Mel Gibson
Paul Harvey's words:
I really did not know what to expect. I was thrilled to have been invited
to a private viewing of Mel Gibson's film "The Passion," but I had also read all the cautious articles and spin. I grew up in a Jewish town and owe much of my own faith journey to the influence. I have a life long, deeply held aversion to anything that might even indirectly encourage any form of anti-Semitic thought, language or actions.
I arrived at the private viewing for "The Passion," held in Washington, DC and greeted some familiar faces. The environment was typically Washingtonian, with people greeting you with a smile but seeming to look beyond you, having an agenda beyond the words. The film was very briefly introduced, without fanfare, and then the room darkened. From the
gripping opening scene in the Garden of Gethsemane, to the very human and
tender portrayal of the earthly ministry of Jesus, through the betrayal, the arrest, the scourging, the way of the cross, the encounter with the thieves, the surrender on the Cross, until the final scene in the empty tomb, this was not simply a movie; it was an encounter, unlike anything I have ever experienced.
In addition to being a masterpiece of film-making and an artistic triumph, "The Passion" evoked more deep reflection, sorrow and emotional reaction within me than anything since my wedding, my ordination or the birth of my children. Frankly, I will never be the same. When the film concluded, this "invitation only" gathering of "movers and shakers" in Washington, DC were shaking indeed, but this time from sobbing. I am not sure there was a dry eye in the place. The crowd that had been glad-handing before the film was now eerily silent. No one could speak because words were woefully
inadequate. We had experienced a kind of art that is a rarity in life, the kind that makes heaven touch earth.
One scene in the film has now been forever etched in my mind. A brutalized,
wounded Jesus was soon to fall again under the weight of the cross. His mother had made her way along the Via Della Rosa. As she ran to him, she flashed back to a memory of Jesus as a child, falling in the dirt road outside of their home. Just as she reached to protect him from the
fall, she was now reaching to touch his wounded adult face. Jesus looked at her
with intensely probing and passionately loving eyes (and at all of us through
the screen) and said "Behold I make all things new." These are words taken
from the last Book of the New Testament, the Book of Revelations. Suddenly,
the purpose of the pain was so clear and the wounds, that earlier in the film had been so difficult to see in His face, His back, indeed all over His body, became intensely beautiful. They had been borne voluntarily for love.
At the end of the film, after we had all had a chance to recover, a question and answer period ensued. The unanimous praise for the film, from a rather diverse crowd, was as astounding as the compliments were effusive. The questions included the one question that seems to follow this film, even though it has not yet even been released. "Why is this film considered by some to be 'anti-Semitic?" Frankly, having now experienced (you do not "view" this film) "the Passion" it is a question that is impossible to answer. A law professor whom I admire sat in front of me. He raised his hand and responded "After watching this film, I do not understand how anyone can insinuate that it even remotely presents that the Jews killed Jesus. It doesn't." He continued, "It made me realize that my sins killed Jesus." I agree. There is not a scintilla of anti-Semitism to be found anywhere in this powerful film. If there were, I would be among the first to decry
it.
It faithfully tells the Gospel story in a dramatically beautiful, sensitive and profoundly engaging way. Those who are alleging otherwise have either not seen the film or have another agenda behind their protestations. This is not a "Christian" film, in the sense that it will appeal only to those who identify themselves as followers of Jesus Christ. It is a deeply human, beautiful story that will deeply touch all men and women. It is a profound work of art. Yes, its producer is a Catholic Christian and thankfully
has remained faithful to the Gospel text; if that is no longer acceptable behavior than we are all in trouble. History demands that we remain faithful to the story and Christians have a right to tell it. After all, we believe that it is the greatest story ever told and that its message is for
all men and women. The greatest right is the right to hear the truth.
We would all be well advised to remember that the Gospel narratives to
which "The Passion" is so faithful were written by Jewish men who followed a Jewish Rabbi whose life and teaching have forever changed the history of the
world. The problem is not the message but those who have distorted it and used it for hate rather than love. The solution is not to censor the message, but rather to promote the kind of gift of love that is Mel Gibson's filmmaking masterpiece, "The Passion." It should be seen by as many
people as possible. I intend to do everything I can to make sure that is the
case.
I am passionate about "The Passion."
Please copy this and send it on to all your friends to let them know about this film so that all go see it when it comes out.
P.S. Mel Gilbson stated he did not appear in his own movie, by his choice, with one exception: It is Gibson's hands seen nailing Jesus to the cross. Gibson said he wanted to do that because it was indeed his own hands that nailed Jesus to the cross (along with all of ours.)
*Edited to make it a little easier on the eyes.
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Basically Gibson saying that this is a true depiction is him saying that he tried to make a movie that portrays what is in the gospels.
Whether the gospels are true or not is another discussion entirely. Essentially though the bible is a book of stories written for various specific groups of people in various specific times in history to convey various specific messages. The gospels are no different.
People shouldn't be offended by this film just like I shouldn't be offended by your sig. Good work by the way.
**and it's NATIVE AMERICANS! Not INDIANS!!!!
Thanks bro. To quote one of my roommates:
"Nothing, and I mean nothing... is more important than the comedy"
Oh did I say Indians? My bad... I meant Native Americans... I also meant to say Greasy Wop bastards instead of Italians. :biggrin:
If jews can bitch about this movie, then Germans should be able to bitch about Schindlers List. In both instances, a small number of a larger group of people have done something horrible. (Horrible to the victims in each case, I could care less in each case, sorry heebs and christians) Are all Germans responsible for the deaths of millions of jews because of the few that were in charge? Are all jews responsible for the death of Christ because of the few that were their leaders? Its assinine if you ask me.
It's COULDN'T CARE LESS, for fucking tonka raper.
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It's COULDN'T CARE LESS, for fucking tonka raper.
But I COULD care less, I do care a teeny tiny lil bit. How exactly does one rape a metal toy truck?
i really want to see this movie. the subtitles are going to annoy me though.
Why do people always have a problem with sub titles? As long as the charater is reading a thesis on the benefits of nuclear fussion, its not that hard to read and watch at the same time.