Me and my dog just got back from his first long road trip. I've never seen a dog so excited to ride in a car, especially when the only time he's ever in a car is when he's going to the vet (and we've had 11 years of reinforcement of that).
My dog rocks. When i was away at college, my dad took care of him and he got a bit vicious, but in the past few years I've mellowed him out some and tried to undo some of that damage.
The "peanut butter on the sack" trick is the absolute greatest.
ummmmhmmmm....
Quote:Pack shmack....I don't go by that pack/alpha stuff. It's a buncha doody. Dogs aren't wolves and wolves aren't dogs. They have very different traits and the enviornment wolves and dogs are raised in is much different.
Lemme guess.... you won't feed your dog first either, right? Humans always eat first. You give scruff shakes, too, right? Hmmm... what else? :confused:
Eh... I still love ya, tho. :grin2: 
You DO know that dog and wolf DNA is like 99.999999999% the same dont you? Yup, people eat first, go up stairs and through doorways first, he MUST be submissive to the kids and all visitors, and he does all that and is the happiest dog Ive ever seen. I use scruff corrections when they are pups, with my breed its uneffective when the are adults. First I try treat and positive reinforcement. If that doesnt work I go with the choker. If that fails, out comes the prong collar. My dog was particularly dominant when he was young, he took a while to break.
I bet your dogs sleep on the bed, get on the couch, beg for food, run to the door when people are trying to come in, and eat out of the trash.
Quote:I bet your dogs sleep on the bed, get on the couch, beg for food, run to the door when people are trying to come in, and eat out of the trash
My dogs don't eat out of the trash! :mad:
Okay, so they do the rest of the stuff though....not too much with the begging for food.
Quote:Originally posted by sweet angel
Quote:I bet your dogs sleep on the bed, get on the couch, beg for food, run to the door when people are trying to come in, and eat out of the trash
My dogs don't eat out of the trash! :mad:
Okay, so they do the rest of the stuff though....not too much with the begging for food.
Nobodys perfect.
Quote:Originally posted by Rooner
Quote:Pack shmack....I don't go by that pack/alpha stuff. It's a buncha doody. Dogs aren't wolves and wolves aren't dogs. They have very different traits and the enviornment wolves and dogs are raised in is much different.
Lemme guess.... you won't feed your dog first either, right? Humans always eat first. You give scruff shakes, too, right? Hmmm... what else? :confused:
Eh... I still love ya, tho. :grin2:
You DO know that dog and wolf DNA is like 99.999999999% the same dont you? Yup, people eat first, go up stairs and through doorways first, he MUST be submissive to the kids and all visitors, and he does all that and is the happiest dog Ive ever seen. I use scruff corrections when they are pups, with my breed its uneffective when the are adults. First I try treat and positive reinforcement. If that doesnt work I go with the choker. If that fails, out comes the prong collar. My dog was particularly dominant when he was young, he took a while to break.
I bet your dogs sleep on the bed, get on the couch, beg for food, run to the door when people are trying to come in, and eat out of the trash.
Yes, I do know that wolves and dogs can mate and have offspring as a result BUT... wolves are different than dogs. They are shyer than the domestic dog. Wolf pups sleep far less than a dog puppy. I met a wolf/dog hybrid. She was very undog-like, very different than a regular domestic dog.
My adult dog will sleep on the leather couch. Why not? What does that hurt? My adult dog will get on my bed during the day to nap or when he gets "spooked" (ex: fireworks), but, he will not sleep at night there. He actually prefers the cold, hard floor even tho he has beds all over the place. When the door bell rings he stands behind me and he greets than goes and lays back down. He will stay and "kiss" depending on if the visitor encourages it. He NEVER gets in the trash. I have a covered garbage anyway. He doesn't beg me for food when I'm eating, he will lay on the floor and wait. When I take him to the dog park to play with the other dog he sits before I unhook his leash. When we are walking on the street and another dog is approaching he will sit and wait as well.... so there!
The one point I am trying to make, tho, is sometimes negative attention is still attention. For example scruff shakes.... before I knew what I was doing I gave my dog a scruff shake.... it's very unnatural and half the time a puppy thinks you're just playing with him/her anyway and depending on the dog you could be setting yourself up for a misplaced aggression problem later in life.
Luna, ever get a cold wet nose in your ass during sex?
I mean your dog's.
If you scruff shake right, they wont think youre playing. Im not belittling your methods Luna, we all use what works for us. I know plenty of people the use clickers and whistles for training, but for me, they have never worked. But I do know how to implement those methods so if something doesnt work for me, Im adaptable.
Quote:Originally posted by Rooner
If you scruff shake right, they wont think youre playing. Im not belittling your methods Luna, we all use what works for us. I know plenty of people the use clickers and whistles for training, but for me, they have never worked. But I do know how to implement those methods so if something doesnt work for me, Im adaptable.
Ahhh.... I could show you how to make them work. It's a timing issue and you can use a whistle just like a clicker.
I've used all the methods that you've used. Official dog training has really only been around since the 50's and so much has changed since the very beginning and it keeps changing, we keep learning new things. I'm not totally adverse to the harsher methods (Koehler methods), but, I use them as a last resort and even before I use those I rely on my voice first.
First and foremost, I try positive reinforcement. And most dogs are very receptive to it. Ive just run into a lot of hard dogs, that needed a lot firmer hand.