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Messing up our children properly.
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<b>Tom Robbins from “<i>Skinny Legs and All</i>”</b>

“Early religions were like muddy ponds with lots of foliage. Concealed there, the fish of the soul could splash and feed. Eventually, however, religions became aquariums. Then, hatcheries. From farm fingerling to frozen fish stick is a short swim.

The Reverend Buddy Winkler was correct about Spike Cohen and Roland Abu Hadee: they did not glide in numb circles inside a glass box of religion. In fact, they, Spike and Abu, wouldn’t hesitate to directly attribute the success of their relationship to their lack of formal religion. Were either of them actively religious, it would have been impossible for them to be partners or pals. Dogma and tradition would have overruled any natural instinct for brotherhood.

It was as if Spike and Abu had been granted a sneak preview behind the veil, a glimpse in which it was revealed that organized religion was a major obstacle to peace and understanding. If so, it was a gradual revelation, for it unfolded slowly and separately, a barely conscious outgrowth of each man’s devotion to humanity and rejection of doctrine.

At best, perhaps, when the fourth veil does slip aside, Spike and Abu will be better prepared than most to withstand the shock of this tough truth: religion is a paramount contributor to human misery. It is not merely the opium of the masses, it is the cyanide.

Of course, religion’s omnipresent defenders are swift to point out the comfort it provides for the sick, the weary, and the disappointed. Yes, true enough. But the Deity does not dawdle in the comfort zone! If one yearns to see the face of the divine, one must break out of the aquarium, escape the fish farm, to go swim up wild cataracts, dive in deep fjords. One must explore the labyrinth of the reef, the shadows of lily pads. How limiting, how insulting to think of God as a benevolent warden, an absentee hatchery manager who imprisons us in the “comfort” of artificial pools, where intermediaries sprinkle our restrictive waters with sanitized flakes of processed nutriment.

A longing for the divine is intrinsic in Homo Sapiens. (For all we know, it is innate in squirrels, dandelions, and diamond rings as well.) We approach the Divine by enlarging our souls and lighting up our brains. To expedite those two things may be the mission of our existence.

Well and good. But such activity runs counter to the aspirations of commerce and politics. Politics is the science of domination, and persons in the process of enlargement and illumination are notoriously difficult to control. Therefore, to protect its vested interests, politics usurped religion a very long tme ago. Kings bought off priests with land and adornments. Together, they drained the shady ponds and replaced them with fishtanks. The walls of the tanks were constructed of ignorance and superstition, held together with fear. They called the tanks “synagogues” or “churches” or “mosques.”

After the tanks were in place, nobody talked much about soul anymore. Instead, they talked about spirit. Soul is hot and heavy. Spirit is cool, abstract, detached. Soul is connected to the earth and its waters. Spirit is connected to the sky and its gases. Out of the gases springs fire. Firepower. It has been observed that the logical extension of all politics is war. Once religion became political, the exercise of it, too, could be said to lead sooner or later to war. “War is hell.” Thus, religious belief propels us straight to hell. History unwaveringly supports this view. (Each modern religion has boasted that it and it alone is on speaking terms with the Deity, and its adherents have been quite willing to die—or kill—to support its presumptuous claims.)

Not that every silty bayou could be drained, of course. The soulfish that bubbled and snapped in the few remaining ponds were tagged “mystics.” They were regarded as mavericks, exotic and inferior. If they splashed too high, they were thought to be threatening and in need of extermination. The fearful flounders in the tanks, now psychologically dependent upon addictive spirit flakes, had forgotten that once upon a time they, too, had been mystical.

Religion is nothing but institutionalized mysticism. The catch is, mysticism does not lend itself to institutionalization. The moment we attempt to organize mysticism, we destroy its essence. Religion, then, is mysticism in which the mystical has been killed. Or, at least diminished.

Those who witness the dropping of the fourth veil might see clearly what Spike Cohen and Roland Abu Hadee dimly suspected: that not only is religion divisive and oppressive, it is also a denial of all that is divine in people; it is a suffocation of the soul.”
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#12
Cliff Notes please...
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#13
Quote:Why do you feel that any organized religion will give him a greater guideline to living his life than you can give him through good parenting?

You're giving Hottie's parenting skills a lot of credit.
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#14
It's not a greater guideline, just additional reinforcement.
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Quote:**Second edit because I had another thought -- you didn't mention Protestants in your post, Brain. Did that particular group do wrong/cause harm?
The only reason I didn't mention Protestantism is because there are so many variations of that branch, it would be inconceivable to list all of their offenses. And truth be known, the Protestant faith only exists because people didn't like all the stringent rules of Catholicism (or in some cases, like Puritanism, didn't find them stringent enough), so they picked and chose what rules they wished to follow, and made that their religion.
Quote:I still can't get past the 8:30 am thing however. Tell me the days that god sleeps in, and we'll discuss it.
The whole point in following a religion is that you must have <b>conviction</b> in your beliefs. It's not a sport where you can be a "casual fan", showing up when it is convenient for religion to enter your life. If you are going to be religious, than religion has to come first. This is what they teach you.

It is not an aspect of your life; it <i> becomes</i> your life. That half-assed attitude where you don't wanna wake up in time for Sunday prayer won't get you into whatever Heaven the priest or rabbi promises you.
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Quote:Originally posted by IrishAlkey
Quote:Why do you feel that any organized religion will give him a greater guideline to living his life than you can give him through good parenting?

You're giving Hottie's parenting skills a lot of credit.
The quote originated from Sweet Angel.

I actually have faith in her. Tongue
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Are you the son of a preacher man?
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#18
I figure it this way, believe what you want. The catholics(of which I am a former member) are just too fucked up to even talk about. The really orthodox Jews don't like anyone. I can tell you that from experience. Imagine being cut out of an inheritance if you marry a non Jew.

I look at it this way, believe what you want. We're all gonna burn....
I'm not quite there yet
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#19
The rash on my balls is only the start of the hell I'll spend eternity in...
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#20
Quote:Originally posted by IrishAlkey
Are you the son of a preacher man?
You're thinkin' of Billy Ray...

<center><b>Son Of A Preacher Man </b>
<i>Dusty Springfield</i>

Billy Ray was a preacher's son
And when his daddy would visit he'd come along
When they gathered around and started talkin'
That's when Billy would take me walkin'
Out through the back yard we'd go walkin'
Then he'd look into my eyes
Lord knows, to my surprise

The only one who could ever reach me
Was the son of a preacher man
The only boy who could ever teach me
Was the son of a preacher man
Yes he was, he was, ooh, yes he was

<brief instrumental interlude>

Bein' good isn't always easy
No matter how hard I try
When he started sweet-talkin' to me
He'd come'n tell me "Everything is all right"
He'd kiss and tell me "Everything is all right"
Can I get away again tonight?

The only one who could ever reach me
Was the son of a preacher man
The only boy who could ever teach me
Was the son of a preacher man
Yes he was, he was, ooh, yes he was (yes he was)

How well I remember
The look that was in his eyes
Stealin' kisses from me on the sly
Takin' time to make time
Tellin' me that he's all mine
Learnin' from each other's knowin'
Lookin' to see how much we've grown and

The only one who could ever reach me
Was the son of a preacher man
The only boy who could ever teach me
Was the son of a preacher man
Yes he was, he was, oh yes he was

(The only one who could ever reach me)
He was the sweet-talkin' son of a preacher man
(The only boy who could ever teach me)
Was the son of a preacher man

(The only one who could ever reach me)
Was the sweet-talkin' son of a preacher man </center>
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