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Hmmm, dieing for oil... I'll take a pass on that one
So if they only had the draft for troops for Afghanistan would you be down, or are you going to give the taxes excuse again.
Note: I don't support the war in Iraq, we were tricked into believing that they were responsible for 9/11 then that they had WMD neither which were true. now we are caught in a catch 22. We are fucked if we do help them now and fucked if we don’t help them.
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If my country asked me to go to Iraq, Afghanistan or any of those places I would go. I'd be scared shitless of dying but I'd go regardless. And I'd pack extra underwear because I'm sure I'd shit myself as soon as bullets started flying.
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I was going to try to join the seals. Alas, a medical condition prevents me.
I don't think being stoned 24/7 counts as a "medical condition".
Damn, how would you classify that?
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<marquee><font size=1 color=blue><b>Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs. </b></font></marquee><marquee><font size=1 color=green><b> Yo I can't sing it I feel like singin I wanna fucking sing Cos i'm happy Yeh, i'm happy HaHa I got my baby back Yo, check it out Some days i sit, staring out the window Watchin' this world pass me by Sometimes i think theres nothing to live for I almost break down and cry Somtimes i think i'm crazy I'm crazy, oh so crazy Why am i here, am i just wasting my time? But then i see my baby Suddenly i'm not crazy It all makes sense when i look into her eyes Somtimes it feels like the world's on my shoulders Everyone's leaning on me Cos sometimes it feels like the world's almost over But then she come back to me My baby girl [hailey laughs] keeps gettin' older I watch her grow up with pride People make jokes, cos they don't understand me They just dont see my real side I act like shit, dont phase me, Inside it drives me crazy My insecurities could eat me alive But then i see my baby Suddenly i'm not crazy It all makes sense when i look into her eyes Yeh and if i could sing, i'd keep singing this song to my daughter If i could hit the notes, i'd blow something as long as my father To show her how i feel about her, how proud i am that i got 'er God, im a daddy, im so glad that her mum didn't (abort her) Now you prob'ly get this picture from my public persona That i'm a pistol-packing drug-addict who bags on his momma, But i wanna just take this time out to be perfectly honest Cos there's a lot of shit i keep bottled that hurts deep inside o' ma soul, And just know that i grow colder the older i grow This boulder on my shoulder that gets heavy and harder to hold And this load is like the weight of the world And i think my neck is breaking should i just give up Or try to live up to these expectations? now look, I love my daughter more than life in itself, But i got a wife who's determined to make my life living hell But i handle it well, given the circumstances i'm dealt So many chances, man, it's too bad, coulda had someone else But the years that i've wasted are nothing to the tears that ive tasted So here's what im facin: 3 felonies, 6 years of probation I've went to jail for this woman, i've been to bat for this woman I've taken bats to people' backs, bent over backwards for this woman Man, i shoulda seen it comin, what i stick my penis uppin? Woulda ripped the pre-nup if i'd seen what she was fuckin But fuck it, it's over, there's no more reason to cry no more I got my baby, maybe the only lady that i adore, haley So sayonara, try tomorra, nice to know ya My baby's travelled back to the arms of her rightful owner And suddenly it seems that my shoulder blades have just shifted Its like the greatest gift you can get The weight has been lifted Woow! I told you, i can't sing. Oh well, i tried Haley, remember when i said If you ever need anything, daddy will be right there? Well guess what, daddy's here. And i ain't goin nowhere baby I love you (kiss)</b></font></marquee><marquee><font size=1 color=yellow><b>We’ve been waitin’ for a long time Yes, we’ve been waitin’ for a long, long time We’ve been waitin’ for a long time But we ain’t gonna wait no more We’re getting’ ready to rock & roll We’re gonna - 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3! Well, there’s a reason everybody should be shakin’ in the house tonight And you should grab your favorite lady and promise her you’ll do it right. Tell Fat Jack to jump back and give you a shot of some booze So you can party to some stomp-down, butt-bumpin’, rock & roll, rhythm & blues. ‘Cause the boys are back in town. The boys are back in town. I know that everybody when they hear the music will be doin’ it on the floor Jump up and down they turn around and tell the band to play some more ‘Cause tonight you can dance and romance and do anything you feel like doin’ But don’t look surprised ‘cause you know what I like and tonight we ought to do it ‘Cause the boys are back in town. The boys are back in town. Oh, yeah. Well, there’s a reason everybody should be shakin’ in the house tonight And you should grab your favorite lady and promise her you’ll do it right Tell Fat Jack to jump back and give you a shot of some booze So you can party to some stomp-down, butt-bumpin’, rock & roll, rhythm & blues. ‘Cause the boys are back in town. The boys are back in town. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! The boys are back in town. And when the boys are back, There ain’t no foolin’ around!
</b></font></marquee><marquee><font size=1 color=orange><b>Please allow me to introduce myself I’m a man of wealth and taste I’ve been around for a long, long year Stole many a man’s soul and faith And I was ’round when jesus christ Had his moment of doubt and pain Made damn sure that pilate Washed his hands and sealed his fate Pleased to meet you Hope you guess my name But what’s puzzling you Is the nature of my game I stuck around st. petersburg When I saw it was a time for a change Killed the czar and his ministers Anastasia screamed in vain I rode a tank Held a general’s rank When the blitzkrieg raged And the bodies stank Pleased to meet you Hope you guess my name, oh yeah Ah, what’s puzzling you Is the nature of my game, oh yeah I watched with glee While your kings and queens Fought for ten decades For the gods they made I shouted out, Who killed the kennedys? When after all It was you and me Let me please introduce myself I’m a man of wealth and taste And I laid traps for troubadours Who get killed before they reached bombay Pleased to meet you Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah But what’s puzzling you Is the nature of my game, oh yeah, get down, baby Pleased to meet you Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah But what’s confusing you Is just the nature of my game Just as every cop is a criminal And all the sinners saints As heads is tails Just call me lucifer ’cause I’m in need of some restraint So if you meet me Have some courtesy Have some sympathy, and some taste Use all your well-learned politesse Or I’ll lay your soul to waste, um yeah Pleased to meet you Hope you guessed my name, um yeah But what’s puzzling you Is the nature of my game, um mean it, get down Woo, who Oh yeah, get on down Oh yeah Oh yeah! Tell me baby, what’s my name Tell me honey, can ya guess my name Tell me baby, what’s my name I tell you one time, you’re to blame Ooo, who Ooo, who Ooo, who Ooo, who, who Ooo, who, who Ooo, who, who Ooo, who, who Oh, yeah What’s me name Tell me, baby, what’s my name Tell me, sweetie, what’s my name Ooo, who, who Ooo, who, who Ooo, who, who Ooo, who, who Ooo, who, who Ooo, who, who Ooo, who, who Oh, yeah</b></font></marquee><marquee><font size=1 color=red><b>Mama don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys Don't let 'em pick guitars and drive them old trucks Make 'em be doctors and lawyers and such Mama don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys They'll never stay home and they're always alone Even with someone they love Cowboys ain't easy to love and they're harder to hold And they'd rather give you a song then diamonds or gold Lonestar belt buckles and old faded Levi's each night begins a new day And if you don't understand him and he don't die young He'll probly just ride away Mama don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys Don't let 'em pick guitars and drive them old trucks Make 'em be doctors and lawyers and such Mama don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys They'll never stay home and they're always alone Even with someone they love Cowboys like smokey old pool rooms and clear mountian moringin's Little warm puppies and children and girls of the night And them that don't know him won't like him And them that do sometimes won't know how to take him He ain't wrong he's just different but his pride won't let him do things to make you think he's right Mama don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys Don't let 'em pick guitars and drive them old trucks Make 'em be doctors and lawyers and such Mama don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys They'll never stay home and they're always alone Even with someone they love Mama don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys Don't let 'em pick guitars and drive them old trucks Make 'em be doctors and lawyers and such</b></font></marquee><marquee><font size=1 color=grey><b>What dey gives you blood? Three months man Whatchu doin in here anyway? You oughta be home with your momma How old are you boy? Thirteen Thirteen? 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Brain,
Your entire argument is based on the belief that government has the authority to determine the lives of individual citizens. In fact, when you say:
Quote:We simply put cannot have such individual subjectivity when it comes to preserving our freedom. It's why this is a democratic republic and not a democracy-- we entrust a small representation of the public to act on our behalf as a whole. So if that small group decides we need to go to war to protect our foreign or internal interests, then so be it, that is what we all will do.
you ignore a few facts. First: Yes we entrust representatives to act on our behalf, but that trust has been betrayed. Elected officials only have the ability to govern when they have the consent of the governed. What we're seeing right now is an abuse of that power; government basically has carte blanche to do whatever it wishes, because most people are either too scared or too stupid to call them on their bad decisions. This needs to change.
Also, I have to ask, what "foreign or internal interests" were we protecting when we invaded Iraq? If our Congress - those men and women who were elected by the people to represent everyone - tells us we need to invade Canada for whatever reason, that means we all should sign up?
"Your government says you must go and kill Canadians."
"But no Canadian ever did me wrong."
"Shut up and grab your gun, boy, and never question your leaders!"
What you advocate is slavery.
Second, you fail to mention that a military draft should be the <i>absolute last resort</i> when a country is faced with a war that must be won. Clearly, we have not exhausted our options. We can still increase funding for our volunteer military which would boost recruitment, and/or hand over the occupation of Iraq to the UN. Unfortunately, both of those options would require our president to admit he was DEAD WRONG, and he'd rather force people at gunpoint to go and die than admit he was wrong.
Quote:\"The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.\"
--John F. Kennedy
He is not arguing that the \"rights of Man\" come from God... he acknowledges that the times of that belief have changed, and that mankind (the \"generosity of the state\") now holds sway over the rights of Man, even as he makes his oath before God and country. I know, the wording in that part of the speech is awkward, but it is as it is: the \"revolutionary belief\" in God-granted rights gave way to rights granted by the generosity of the state in more modern times.
Here is where you're completely, inarguably wrong. Consider the context of Kennedy's words - this was 1961, when Communism was the greatest (and only) threat to America, and here you are in 2004 basically espousing communist ideals!
When Kennedy says, "And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God," he is clearly saying that the rights of man come from the hand of God (or, as John Locke said, rights are natural), and that that the belief that "the rights of man come from the generosity of the state" is the basic principle of communism that we as Americans must oppose. "The same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe" does NOT say that those beliefs are a thing of a past, it says that there exists a threat to those beliefs that needs to be addressed. To twist Kennedy's words completely around and say that "the 'revolutionary belief' in God-granted rights gave way to rights granted by the generosity of the state in more modern times" is disgusting and you should know better.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty & the pursuit of Happiness."
These are not just words, they're the foundation of this country. What you're saying is that this is an antiquated idea, and that now we only have these rights so long as the state <i>allows</i> us to have these rights. You're wrong. If you sacrifice your rights to the state, you may as well live in a totalitarian dictatorship, because you do not value freedom.
Quote:Like it or not, from the first Revolutionary army being made up of farmers and merchants called into service, to today's students and up-and-coming businessmen having to put their personal lives on hold for service to this country, the draft has existed, and will continue to exist, in one form or another. Kennedy acknowledged as much, becuase it is necessary for us to be willing to make that sacrifice of individual freedom to maintain national freedom, because the two freedoms are inherently intertwined-- one simply cannot exist without the other.
You cite the American Revolution, as if that in any way compares to the wars we're fighting today. Look, the Revolution had a clear goal, one that could be understood by everyone: to gain independence from Britan. The Civil War, WWI, WWII, all had clearly defined goals. Vietnam? No clear goal, no objective and - surprise! - we lost. The Iraq War? What are the goals? I thought it was to disarm Saddam, but now I guess it's to bring 'democracy' to a bunch of people who don't want democracy and don't want us there. How the fuck are we supposed to win, and how can you rationalize sending unwilling men and women to die when there are no goals established and the fate of our country is not at stake?
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Unfortunately, both of those options would require our president to admit he was DEAD WRONG, and he'd rather force people at gunpoint to go and die than admit he was wrong.
Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111
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hopefully that will be good enough for the next 14 months (when i turn 27).
Quote:\"To come out and work with you guys every day, it's a good feeling,\" Pinkley, 26, told his 101st Airborne Division buddies during the ceremony earlier this month. <b>His wife, Kimberly, watched with a smile</b>, their toddler in her arms.
that means Kimberly is fucking the mailman.
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Unfortunately, both of those options would require our president to admit he was DEAD WRONG, and he'd rather force people at gunpoint to go and die than admit he was wrong.
Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111
Listen, I'm not saying that Dubya is <i>right now</i> forcing people to serve, we're talking about a theoretical draft that may or may not happen. My point is, Bush would sooner draft citizens into the army than he would relinquish control of Iraq to the UN or the increase funding for our volunteer military that he previously cut.
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I'm still looking for an article of some sort saying specifically that this is an idea being pushed by the Bush administration. And God damn I just cant find it  cratches head:
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Quote:Bush would sooner draft citizens into the army than he would relinquish control of Iraq to the UN or the increase funding for our volunteer military that he previously cut.
I just caught this. He cut our volunteer military????///??/
Show me.
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No (while cutting military benefits was shitty) I asked you to show me where he cut the volunteer military.
*maybe I misunderstood your statement to which I apologize.
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