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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 11:27 AM      
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It was a very loose connection, but it was to illustrate that many people do risk their lives for things they believe in. Pearl risked his life by going to Pakistan, to do something he believed in, which was to report the story. There are protesters who go to places like Afghanistan to try to persuade its government to stop doing such terrible things. What about those people who were captured by the Taliban for teaching Christianity?? They went outside the normal means of chnage in order to do something the believed in.

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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 11:35 AM      
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Don't forget "Granola Eating"

This is for The Jays. Did you ever hear of Capitalism. Its hard to sound intelligent, I understand. Remember a corporation called PC Richards....FAMILY OWNED, AMERICAN FAMILY OWNED. Did you vote for Gore, imagine if he were the president. It isn't Politically Correct anymore to protest anymore. Some of these corporations keep towns in America alive, That's right, America.



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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 12:12 PM      
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Many people all over the wolrd and in this counrty have a great deal of evidence that it is the corporations fault. There is a very strong theory that leads many to believe that corporations have already taken control of the world's power, and that the US government is simply there to serve big business.



Are you going to honestly sit there and say that MacDonalds and Coca Cola are responsible for the fact that these countries face overpopulation for their means, live in poverty, face despotism, and are devoid of the most basic political and economic rights?


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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 12:20 PM      
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Not McDonalds and Coca Cola, but much larger corporations. If you look into it deeper, you find out how much influence American coprorations have on the world. For a centruy, larger scale soprorations have made their money by puuting part of the wolrd in misery. Look at the connections between IBM and the Nazi Regime.

Look, I'm willing to keep an open ear, but unless you can give me a really good reason why these protestors have no right to speak their mind, and stop simply dismiss ing them like so...
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Its hard to sound intelligent, I understand.

then I am just going to stick to my own ideas.

Ikeaboy asked what we all think, this is what I think.

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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 12:34 PM      
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Look, I'm willing to keep an open ear, but unless you can give me a really good reason why these protestors have no right to speak their mind, and stop simply dismiss ing them like so...



I don't think its the protestors that are being dismissed as much as their procedures. If they were able to hold peaceful demonstrations, no one would have issue with them. These protestors however appear to feed on violence and destruction which in return takes away from their cause.


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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 12:35 PM      
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2 groups I saw, kind of stood out that make absolutely no sense whatsoever to be there.
HS group called no more standardized tests

and the one I really found funny

the Global Pastry Uprising.

JVoorhees
posted on 01-31-2002 @ 12:38 PM      
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Ikeaboy asked what we all think, this is what I think



You are definately entitled to your own opinion.

I just can't understand the reason, in this case for the protest. Many people are looking for a reason to protest. This is a perfect example. If you do not support these companies, don't buy their products. That is protest. For me its an inconvienence to deal with the protesters. I go to all of the stores you mentioned, will continue too.



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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 12:41 PM      
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however appear to feed on violence and destruction which in return takes away from their cause.




Yeah, those are the assholes who take the central ideas that "Fight Club" was based on too seriously.

I do my protesting by writing letters and geetting invlved in local governments, not by beating NYPD oficers over the head.

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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 12:59 PM      
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just as their are those who believe in our great country.
FMFB, he said that Pearl loved the country and that's why he's in danger.
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Yeah, those are the assholes who take the central ideas that "Fight Club" was based on too seriously.
Why can't these people take that your existance sucks and you'll be stuck in a dead end job for the rest of your life as the meaning of Fight Club like I do?




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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 1:04 PM      
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we all know there are going to be protestors for the World Economic Forum tomorrow and do you really care?



actually i did for a little bit when i found out my Politics of Globalization teacher said he was going up there to join in, i thought this might mean that we wouldnt have class today, alas he was here though, so no i dont care anymore. i dont happen to agree with the protestors though, the wheels of Globalization have been turning for quite awhile and its evident that its here to stay. i think Paco should make more money and i feel for his plight, but i also understand the reasoning of the Capatilist businessman who's trying to get the most production out for the least amount of money, and if i were in his shoes id do the same thing.
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Did you vote for Gore, imagine if he were the president.


i did, what should i imagine? how differently he'd handle this situation? hmmm, lets see there'd still be tons of cops on the streets ready to arrest violent protestors. theres a relatively small difference between Bush and Gore when you look at the range of beliefs across the broad political ideology system. its been said on here a million times before in discussions like this but i'll reiterate, presidents work off public opinion polls, so if 96% of America wanted to see Bush throw back some Coronas with the leader of the Anti-Capatilist group, he'd do it, just like Al would if he was in there....

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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 1:06 PM      
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I'm not arguing their right to speak, I'm arguing about the validity of their points and the manners in which they pursue their aims.

And I think you are confusing interaction with causation. You cannot readily assume that because a coroporation employs cheap labor that they are the cause of or have a ruling hand in the subjugation of a population.


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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 1:06 PM      
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just because you dont want them in your backyard. These are your fellow citizens. You guys talk about being Americans???? You waive your flags around saying how proud you are? These guys are trying to stand up for what they believe in, and you go and bash them. You act like fucking Fascists.



I applaud you for standing up for what you believe in, but I dont want to hit all protestors, I just felt like messing up the ones who disrupt normal activities in midtown.

I really hope nothing happens. I wanted to go to midtown to just see whats going on but Im afraid (me being black) that i might be mistaken for a protestor and the blame will be put on an innocent person like me.

If you want to be taken seriously instead of protesting, you should simply organize a boycott of the companies you loathe like an aformentioned poster pointed out.

Its my opinion, you can protest all you want but is it really going to change anything other than the fact that you are going to annoy a lot of people? This is certainly not the 60s anymore.



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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 1:11 PM      
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You cannot readily assume that because a coroporation employs cheap labor that they are the cause of or have a ruling hand in the subjugation of a population.



I'm not really addressing cheap labor, more about corporate America forcing consumer values on the rest of the wolrd. I could care less is some wetback makes my Walkman or not.

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JVoorhees
posted on 01-31-2002 @ 1:15 PM      
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There is one word that Jay, you seem to not understand. Capitalism. If I am selling a product and want to make a lot of money, I am going to try and shove it down your throat. If I am accused of doing something wrong, then there is a problem. There is this thing called the, Stock Market, which is a strong factor as to how our economy is doing. Look at it. America isn't spending, and we are going to protest this? ARe you crazy. What kind of car do you drive Jay? You had to buy one, was it shoved at you, did the salesman come to our house. Of course not. Did you buy your computer from the guy on the corner, or was it from a mega-store. Who is the hypocrate?



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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 1:28 PM      
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I'm not really addressing cheap labor, more about corporate America forcing consumer values on the rest of the wolrd. I could care less is some wetback makes my Walkman or not
And what value is that? More is gooder, buy expensive? it's all about the money and the same goes for most civilized countries




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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 1:31 PM      
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more about corporate America forcing consumer values on the rest of the wolrd



I suggest you go do a little reading about Micro-economics. The first thing you will learn is that without a demand, a corporation would not supply either a good or service. This isn't just theory, it's simple fact.

If consumers are not buying the products, the corporation will exit the market. If people in any forgein country decide not to buy the products and services or find a better alternative, the firm in that market will condense its operations or move elsewhere. That's basic business. Businesses don't force the consumer to buy, consumers force businesses to sell.


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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 1:35 PM      
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There is one word that Jay, you seem to not understand. Capitalism. If I am selling a product and want to make a lot of money, I am going to try and shove it down your throat. If I am accused of doing something wrong, then there is a problem. There is this thing called the, Stock Market, which is a strong factor as to how our economy is doing. Look at it. America isn't spending, and we are going to protest this? ARe you crazy. What kind of car do you drive Jay? You had to buy one, was it shoved at you, did the salesman come to our house. Of course not. Did you buy your computer from the guy on the corner, or was it from a mega-store. Who is the hypocrate?



I understand capitalism quite well. But i disagree with the fact that a product should be forced down someones throat Thats not marketing.

In tersm of car, I do not own one. My location is close enough to the local amentities. My computer is a Dell. The computer market has not yet been drained down to a choice like Coke or Pepsi, so there is a variety of companies to choose from, and Dell's happen to be the best thus far. I am not a fan of large corporations that make it sem like their product is the only solution. It leads to the downfall of comptetive markets.

And to incite a lil more discussion, more globalization encourages the use of oil around the world. More oil usage means more oil to the middle east. More monye to the middle east goes to the terrorist eventually.
On top of that, oil is very polluting, and will run out soon. THere are just as many jobs in the coporate creation of a building-intergrated solar PV paneling company than in the oil business. Countries such as Holland and much of the European Union have long rejected oil and embraced clean technolgies.

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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 1:35 PM      
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Fuck. Im a anti-corporate tool AND a double poster. Dammit, sorry.

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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 1:53 PM      
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And to incite a lil more discussion, more globalization encourages the use of oil around the world
Don't just blame globalization, oil is used because oil companies finance the entire Bush/Republican campaign and because Bush can't turn his back on his friends, he refuses to search for an alternative fuel source and tells us to keep using more fuel. But you know what he says, it's not oil that's keeping these terrorists in business...it's illegal drugs.

Lewis Black had it best when he said "My cell phone is 3 inches long and you're telling me we can't find an alternative fuel source!?"




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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 2:09 PM      
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Businesses don't force the consumer to buy, consumers force businesses to sell.





This is a Water weael. Its a fucking rubber sock filled with water, and its really hard to hold onto. Now which one of you dumb fucks said "Gee, I need a rubber sock filled with water that I cant hold onto, but there arent any aroun. Where, o where, can I find one??"
The truth is NO ONE DEMANDED THAT SOMETHING AS DUMB AS THIS THING BE CREATED. SOME COMPANY MADE IT, AND PUT IT IN STORES ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND PEOPLE BUY IT. There is no demand for it, this is corpoartions just feeding us stuff to buy.

And Ikea, Im sure you can tell I believe that drugs are the only source for money for them sand crawling bastards.

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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 2:15 PM      
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they're nothin but a bunch of tree huggin faggot liberals who want to ruin the world by protesting. These are the same twats that stand in the quad at campus and protest the attacks on Bin Laden and the Taliban. Make Love Not War...

Fuck you....tell that to the 3800 people that died at the WTC. Tell that to the kids that didn't have mom or dad with them at Christmas.

Ship their fucking asses to Canada.....


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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 2:19 PM      
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My point wasn't to discuss the specifics of your life. But now that we are there.....

I'm sure you don't make your own clothes....
They may even been made in, oh no you guessed it Korea and Japan. I hope you are not wearing name brand clothes either, that would be hypocritical also. Guess what, if it is polyester, it is made by petroleum by products. That horrible corporate America.

By the way, do you turn off banner ads and commercials when you are on your computer or watching TV? I bet you just read, Right.

How about when you listen to O and A? Do you change stations?

If it is that bad, and companies are shoving items down peoples throats so badly, why are we still here. I'm sure there is cheap real estate in Afghanistan. Lets look at the clothes the protesters are wearing...Nike, Reebok, hemp????

It must be all a ploy to get us to buy things...




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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 2:19 PM      
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Don't blame advertising, blame our gullibility. It's the advertisers job to market, to get people to b uy the product.

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And Ikea, Im sure you can tell I believe that drugs are the only source for money for them sand crawling bastards
If this isn't sarcastic you've proven our point completely. Thank you.






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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 2:23 PM      
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I still would like to know what the Global Pastry Uprising is? What, Starbucks does not sell enough pastries with their coffee?

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posted on 01-31-2002 @ 2:26 PM      
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Fuck you



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