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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: What is "REALITY"? | ||||
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| Kid Afrika | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 8:29 PM |    | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70  | Observation, as a theory, lends itself to great speculation. It must be considered that the observer has an impact on the system being observed. According to Maturana, as stated by N. Katherine Hayles in "The Second Wave of Cybernetics", "…observation does not mean that the observer remains separate from what is being observed; on the contrary, the observer can observe only because the observer is structurally coupled to the phenomenon she sees" (The Second Wave, pg. l42). Later in this paper we will further explore the applications of this theory, but first we must delve deeper into the theory of observation. The one who sees is always called simply "the observer," without further specification, implying that any individual of that species occupying that position would see more or less the same thing.(The Second Wave, pg. 143) This theory proposes that what one sees, will also be seen by the masses; however, this theory loses in itself the idea of perspective, whereas, Maturana insists that, as observers we "…do not so much discern preexisting systems as create them" (The Second Wave, pg. 131). This is where the speculation comes in, how do we know what is real? What really exists? In Maturana's view, all that exists is what we can see and interpret as information. This is quite an elitist theory, which can lead to solipsism. For an observer to assume that the only reality is the reality known to him is quite presumptuous. Flame me if you want. But, if it made you think for even a second, my work is done. :)
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| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 8:31 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | And you make fun of Ikeaboy topics. :) Also will there be lots of Voltaire quoting in this topic.  Email me at sticksituation22@yahoo.com or pinkorag@yahoo.com IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag This message was edited by adolescentmasturbator on 5-19-01 @ 8:34 PM | ||||
| Kid Afrika | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 8:33 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | It's not like I posted "Weekly What Is Reality Thread". LMMFYBO :p And yeah, so what if it's part of a paper I wrote in college. ::bows head in shame:: ::thinks this may have been a bad idea::
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| fbdlingfrg wow, my name looks odd without 5 lines of type below it in bold and purple and red G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Red Wings Captain Cecil JBA~Remove the Pick & Click NOW! | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 8:34 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | this has never been more true(well maybe.there are LOTS of inane posts), but OK TERRIFFIC i didn't watch out so the insects got me This message was edited by fbdlingfrg on 5-19-01 @ 8:36 PM | ||||
| HardCoreDave (TvvisTofFaTe) | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 8:47 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | re·al·i·ty (r-l-t) n., pl. re·al·i·ties. The quality or state of being actual or true. One, such as a person, an entity, or an event, that is actual: “the weight of history and political realities†(Benno C. Schmidt, Jr.). The totality of all things possessing actuality, existence, or essence. That which exists objectively and in fact: Your observations do not seem to be about reality. reality n 1: all of your experiences that determine how things appear to you; "his world was shattered"; "we live in different worlds"; "for them demons were as much a part of reality as trees were" [syn: world] 2: the state of being actual or real: "the reality of his situation slowly dawned on him" [syn: realness, realism] [ant: unreality] 3: the state of the world as it really is rather than as you might want it to be; "businessmen have to face harsh realities" 4: the quality possessed by something that is real [ant: unreality]  AIM: Tv v ist of FaTe "some people jus need a ruthless beating!" for wrestling news http://bounce.to/NwF Sam Adams-"theres no beer in the food, but theres food in the beer" | ||||
...And now the battle between us and them has begun. JYD-4-LIFE. | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 9:01 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: May. 00 | kid i have been waiting a long time for this...hey kid  you know how hard it can be the way things are going they're gonna crucify me-john lennon | ||||
| Sephiroth | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 9:08 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | "Reality" is that annoying little thing that interferes with my board posting. I wish somebody would fix it already. "Murder one inborn into your every cell It's in your blood and you can't shake it Because you were bred to take it Next stop annihilation They bred the hate right in your bones" -The Misfits Have any anime questions? Send me a E-mail or IM me at AIM: Hitokiri182 I have adopted jerichoholic1 as my newbie, but have space for one more. If you wish to be adopted, contact me. | ||||
| Mr. Brownstone | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 9:11 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | Reality is whatever i say it is. There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers exactly what the universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another which staes this has already happened. ---Douglas Adams Now seeking junior Brownstones to adopt | ||||
Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC STRIKE 3 (I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans) | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 9:16 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | Reality is, and this is not a slam on you Kid, me realising that I must truely have A.D.D. Funny how ev'rything was roses When we held on to the guns Write To Me Here Do I listen to pop music because I'm miserable? Or am I miserable because I listen to pop music? | ||||
| FukMeBoobs | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 9:26 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | Reality is knowing the fact that I am a loser reading this on a Saturday night at 9:26PM. Thanks to NJPANTHER for the sig pic! Smack dat ass, pull dat hair! | ||||
| Kid Afrika | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 9:26 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | Ok, I found the best definition of reality yet...
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| danked Dankarella! | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 10:00 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | hey, like... uh... wow, man. Kinda gets you by the boo-boo, don't it? | ||||
| LaughRiot | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 10:20 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | im sposed ta read all that? I dont think so. I'm your quiet neighbor. | ||||
| Kid Afrika | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 10:22 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | I wouldn't expect you to read it. You couldn't possibly expand your mind, because you already know everything.
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| o&aswallow | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 10:23 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Reality???? What a concept!! o&aswallow Recognized His Destiny Early. Too Many Hotties, Not Enough Horny Goat Weed It at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed. - Curly Howard. | ||||
| Kid Afrika | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 10:27 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | Imagine if you will, the idea that we all interact on this message board, a message baord that only exists in theory. There are bits and bytes floating all throughout the Internet, some of which converge somewhere to form what we see on our screens. The raw data exists on a server somewhere, but raw data doesn't exactly make a message board. So, does the message board exist? or is it just a mass delusion?
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| Rockmoor | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 10:29 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 00 | Oh, how well I remember this typical college bullshit. I can't believe no one mentioned the use of the word "solipsism." Did anyone ever use this word in a sentense? I think not. K1d, it did at least get me to use the dictionary. Talk about loser. I'm with FukMB, only now it's 10:35.  Did anyone mention skating? | ||||
| o&aswallow | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 10:31 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Kid, it's Saturday night. Shouldn't you be getting laid or something?? o&aswallow Recognized His Destiny Early. Too Many Hotties, Not Enough Horny Goat Weed It at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed. - Curly Howard. | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 10:33 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Kid, I think you watched the Matrix one too many times. Email me at sticksituation22@yahoo.com or pinkorag@yahoo.com IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag | ||||
| Rockmoor | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 10:39 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 00 | K1d, are we flaming you or vice versa? Shouldn't this topic be in the esoteric forum? Did anyone mention skating? | ||||
| The Painter 1/2 a bottle of Jack Daniels... it's a cure-all | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 11:00 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | Reality is not only what you observe. It is also what you hear, taste, smell and feel. All your senses can be deceived. Therefore, there is no reality. Reality is a crutch, so we can function day to day. On observation, I'd like to quote Yogi Berra, " You can observe alot, just by watching " | ||||
| Sephiroth | posted on 05-19-2001 @ 11:17 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | [edit]-Thanks for the assist FTL. "Murder one inborn into your every cell It's in your blood and you can't shake it Because you were bred to take it Next stop annihilation They bred the hate right in your bones" -The Misfits Have any anime questions? Send me a E-mail or IM me at AIM: Hitokiri182 I have adopted jerichoholic1 as my newbie, but have space for one more. If you wish to be adopted, contact me. This message was edited by Sephiroth on 5-20-01 @ 2:06 AM | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 05-20-2001 @ 1:52 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Come on man, pay some respect to the late Douglas Adams. The answer is 42. :) Kid, I'm going with the mass delusion. Just look at the people on this board.... myself enthusiastically included. How do we know the Universe isn't just a bunch of galaxies trapped in marbles, in a bag being used by a giant alien, eh? So, in Board Time, would the Big Bang be the night that Froy's mom and dad decided to do more than cuddle? Ah, philosophy.  Me droogies: Two positions currently available. | ||||
| TheGooch Mullet Master Yo Gooch, Moron here... how's that for some fucked up shit... Fez is giving you status... Karma sucks, huh? | posted on 05-20-2001 @ 2:10 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | "Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever." Baron Munchausen The Adventures of Baron Munchausen | ||||
| Cranky Ass | posted on 05-20-2001 @ 3:53 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | There is no single reality. Reality exists within the confines of individual perception. What we perceive thru our 5 senses and in some cases of extrasensory perception (ESP) constitutes what we believe to be reality. Knowledge is of two types. That which is learned thru these senses and priori knowledge. "A priori" is a term used to identify a type of knowledge which is obtained independently of experience. A proposition is known a priori if when judged true or false one does not refer to experience. "A priorism" is a philosophical position maintaining that our minds gain knowledge independently of experience through innate ideas or mental faculties. The term a priori is distinguished from a posteriori, which means knowledge gained through the senses and experience. These are the two most common ways in which philosophers argue that humans acquire knowledge. For Aristotle, "a priori" referred to something which was prior to something else. By "prior" he meant that some thing's existence was caused by the existence of another. Aristotle argued that to have knowledge of a prior thing, then, was to have knowledge of a causal relationship. He argued that we can establish a causal relationship between things through syllogistic logic. Descartes used the term "a priori" in his quest for the foundation of all knowledge. For Descartes, knowledge of our own existence was a priori because (a) denying it leads to a contradiction, and (b) we do not need to rely on our experiences to ponder our existence. Kant believed that a priori truths could be found in the two areas; mathematics and the categories which organize the material of experience and science. Kant divided a priori truths into two categories: the synthetic and the analytic. Traditionally, mathematical propositions were seen as both analytic and a priori. Kant, however, classifies both mathematics and the categories as synthetic a priori. Math is synthetic a priori because it depends on the pure intuitions of the elements of time and space. Kant argued time and space were central intuitions to mathematical knowledge, and were thus the reasons for his grouping mathematical truths in the synthetic a priori. Our categories are identified as synthetic a priori because denying them does not lead to a contradiction. On the other hand, these categories are central to experience. Kant used the example of causality, in the "Second Analogy" of the Critique of Pure Reason, to demonstrate that the concept of an "event" having a "cause" must be connected before we can give apply either notion. This connection can only be a synthetic one, since it is not tautological. You may not want to read all this, but people like Kid and myself enjoy discussing it. Yes, I did want to read ALL THAT, Slash & LaughRiot ;) ________________  Charcole brickette? Read My Column, Kickin Ass With FoundryMusicAntD on FoundryMusic.com , the most difficult site to navigate on the net. [INSERT CORNY SONG LYRICS OR WACK ZANY QUOTE HERE] | ||||
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