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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: Democrats want to raise taxes again; Enjoy those tax rebates everybody | ||||
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| Spork | posted on 07-24-2001 @ 8:27 PM |    | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01  | Straw's on the ball here. If you don't want to listen to the plastic utensil at least listen to to the hot chick, people! If you would earnestly like to understand these taxes more and understand just what it is that is changing, please check out Visit this Website. This is a guide that KPMG put together detailing what the new tax code changes mean for you. Look, I'm not trying to sound like a dick here, but there really is something to the notion that it is perhaps those of us who have mortgages and property taxes and insurance of all kinds to pay who seem to grasp these concepts better than those of you who are looking to buy the latest Playstation game or are worrying what your next report card is going to look like. A lot of us depend on a robust economy for our livelihood. A lot of us plan our own retirement and understand that while there is a place for government, it needn't be a big place, and it is not more gooder to have more government control of any aspect of our lives. ...or it could just be the notion that I am constantly picking up more and more that for some reason those of us who lean Republican need to, for whatever reason, defend our positions much more vehemently than the left? Beats me. All I know is it's a little better in my book to argue on the facts rather than notions of class warfare and the bringing down of the capitalist hierarchy that has made our country so grand! I am always disheartened when people start arguing about things they haven't even TRIED to understand. At this point, with the Democrats losing a House seat in California (I doubt very much that Condit will run or win in 2002) it looks like, as Straw says, that the Republicans can use Gephart's talk of higher taxes as a rallying point. I'm still hoping that your "average American" is smart enough to figure out that ANY tax cut is better than ANY tax increase!  Graduated and Rooned by Rone on 6/16/01 | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 07-24-2001 @ 10:32 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: Is that spamming for the the Republican Party ;)? quote: No, pesky child labor laws. quote: Just because I am underage it automatically disqualifies my opinion? And it isn't like I'm the only one not agreeing with you. quote: I wouldn't say that because I am the only socialist and defend my opinions pretty well however disagreeable they are to you. The government wants you to spend the money back into the economy in an attempt to stimulate it. But it isn't going to work because the economy is in a shithole right now. It isn't going back up for a while. The government should use that money to pay down the debt because there isn't going to be a lot of money coming in.  Resident Board Socialist Email me here IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought Syndicate into the International | ||||
| Snoteater | posted on 07-26-2001 @ 9:55 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | Not to drag this thread back up, but a few observations. One NJStraw...The Repulbicans usually what the heavy handed Gov't And the Dems are the ones who sport those evil social services plans. The Elephants want to tell you what is supposedly morally right and you should live by that. No questions ask. Spork...the reason that I have been able to come up with for the right pushing their agenda more is because their on the wrong side. The conservitve plan will never work because it lacks social responsiblity. You always seem to forget that the good of helping the all outways the helping of the few & You can't, for whatever reason, see that the short term solution is not always the best. Real results take time. This tax cut will hurt this country. badly. It is poorly thought through and will hurt the Repulbicans big time. And as for the any tax cut is better than any tax raise is a crock. If we can't run our gov't the way it should be run, then I'm willing to make a little extra contribution. Sure it might hurt my pocket, but if it's for the good of us all, then I'm all for it. | ||||
| Syndicate | posted on 07-26-2001 @ 10:27 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | quote: Thats whats wrong with this country, we expect to have to pay higher taxes rather than question it and try to change policy. Your vote is powerful, your voice is powerful. If you don't like how your goverment is spending your money, SPEAK UP. The power you each have is unbelievable. As for those who can't manage their own money and need the goverment to do it for them, well you're dumb enough to be taken advanage of anyway. The opportunties in this country are MIND NUMBING. We are the most spoiled rotten bastards in the world. If people would get up off their fat asses and realized this the country would be a better place.  I like AFRO's | ||||
| skitchr4u G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Xtreme Skiing Assualt Force | posted on 07-26-2001 @ 11:22 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | Hey Spork...lets see here...so a guy who works for a private bankers association (Mr. Greenspan)is to blame for all of the trouble. I can agree with you. Do you know who runs the fed (and don't say greenspan, i mean his bosses)...its the bank of england. Thats right, the FED is a private group, not governmentally run that is run by the major banks in england who decide what to do with the US economy. So you see, before you lump us all into the ignorant category, you should do more "research"  AIM: SkiT4you First Member of the JWO | ||||
| njstrawberry | posted on 07-26-2001 @ 1:15 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Feb. 01 | adolescentmasturbator Here is some insight for you, if you have never held a job and don't know what it is like to fork over nearly 33% of your pay to the Government then you shouldn't bother posting in a thread regarding politics and tax incentives or tax hikes. In other words, 15 year olds need not reply. Snoteater The Republicans want the heavy-handed Government? You must be a Democrat because you are obviously too stupid to be a Republican. The last time I checked, the Republican party wasn't the party that was trying to take away my guns, over tax my hard earned money and force me to socially accept that women are retarded and need crutches and programs and clubs to become an active hard working American. Syndicate Regardless of your party affiliation, I am very impressed with your pride in our country. I encourage people, as you have, to become active citizens of this great land and not sit by like bumps on a fucking log and complain about things they put no effort in changing or supporting. skitchr4u The Federal Reserve, the central bank of the United States, was founded by Congress in 1913 to provide the nation with a safer, more flexible, and more stable monetary and financial system. Today the Federal Reserve's duties fall into four general areas: (1) conducting the nation's monetary policy; (2) supervising and regulating banking institutions and protecting the credit rights of consumers; (3) maintaining the stability of the financial system; and (4) providing certain financial services to the U.S. government, the public, financial institutions, and foreign official institutions. By the way, for those of you who are naive enough to believe that Bush took office and the economy crumbled over it, you are wrong. Mr. Greenspan noted on the economy and his belief of a recession as early as February of 2000 when he addressed The House Of Representatives. "...There is little evidence that the American economy, which grew more than 4 percent in 1999 and surged forward at an even faster pace in the second half of the year, is slowing appreciably..." and also "...Yet I recognize that growing budget surpluses may be politically infeasible to defend. If this proves to be the case, as I have also testified previously, the likelihood of maintaining a still satisfactory overall budget position over the longer run is greater, I believe, if surpluses are used to lower tax rates rather than to embark on new spending programs..." Maybe some of you should read before you post on a topic. ;) Federal Reserve Board  I was bi when being bi wasn't kewl. Mmmm tastes like chicken to me, wanna lick? DON'T UNDER ESTIMATE THE PSYCHO FACTOR IN MY HEAD This message was edited by njstrawberry on 7-26-01 @ 1:17 PM | ||||
| Snoteater | posted on 07-26-2001 @ 2:06 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | too stupid...I doubt that. Heavy-handed gov't = intrusive gov't. Much like the Republicans dictate. I much rather have my tax dollar go to someone in real need rather than some fortune 100 company that is pleeding poverty, but still gives out obsence bonus to their CEO and buys my democracy with their "no money pay the people who do the real work". Do you hear the Dems saying that your lifestyle is wrong??? Nop, it's just the Elephants who want to legislate your lifestyle, prefernces and the like. | ||||
| skitchr4u G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Xtreme Skiing Assualt Force | posted on 07-26-2001 @ 2:10 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | Yes Straw, the Federal Reserve was voted into existence by congress in 1913. But, it is nor has it ever been part of the government. No member who is part of the fed was elected by the people of the United States. It was also members of the Federal Reserve who helped to finance the Nazi's rise to power in Germany in the late 30's and early 40's as well as the rise of communism in Russia, but that is another story altogether. I am just saying that a group of people, not elected nor part of government are telling the president what to do with our money. That is all... AIM: SkiT4you First Member of the JWO | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 07-26-2001 @ 5:08 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Hey straw that's the kind of attitude in older people that creates voter apathy in younger people. You just find some way to make someone seem ignorant because they don't know what the tax system is like. That's right minors shouldn't have political beliefs. Well that's just the ones that don't agree with you right? I know for a fact that you wouldn't say that to a Teenage Republican. quote: Sure and that falling stock market and drying job market is a sign of growth. We are definitely in a recession because the market overbloated and crashed. It wasn't Clinton or Bush that caused it. Resident Board Socialist Email me here IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought Syndicate into the International | ||||
| njstrawberry | posted on 07-26-2001 @ 6:14 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Feb. 01 | quote: Actually, yes I only ever hear democrates bash me about it. Infact, you fellow dem have been the only person in this thread who even mentioned by sexual orientation. ;) As far as the Republican party dictating my life you are mistaken. I am active in both the party and my Government and at no time have I ever had to explain my sexuality to anyone. On the other hand, through debates, it is always the liberal, such as yourself, who takes it upon themselves to bring it up. quote: That's because they are appointed. Secondly, you said in your previous post that economy is controlled by banks in England. and AM, I didn't say it was Bush's fault or Clinton's fault. I was just stating a fact in my argument that the Federal Reserve Board was aware of this downward spiral for over a year now. Actually, your party affiliation has nothing to do with why I said what I said. You are a 15 year old who lives at home, doesn't work and expects government to take over your parents role when you move out one day. You are the last person who should be discussing tax credits and/or incentives, you don't even PAY any and you want to live off of everyone else's buck... I was bi when being bi wasn't kewl. Mmmm tastes like chicken to me, wanna lick? DON'T UNDER ESTIMATE THE PSYCHO FACTOR IN MY HEAD This message was edited by njstrawberry on 7-26-01 @ 6:23 PM | ||||
| Spork | posted on 07-26-2001 @ 6:53 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | And when you get into discussions of lifestyles - remember that each party has its various "wings." But a lot of folks out there in the Republican party are self-identified libertarians. The Democrats are the furthest thing from libertarians that we have other than their undying support for the ACLU which always does a good job of taking silly, extra-extremist approaches to libertarianism. But it's funny to me that many of you out there identify with the Democrats because you think they they don't try to legislate your lifestyle. The biggest way anyone impacts MY lifestyle is by taking A THIRD OF MY INCOME! Republicans don't want to do that, nor do they generally try to legislate morality as much as people think they do. The Democrats don't seem to have a problem legislating continued poverty (those housing projects from the "Great Society" were just a fantastic idea, and they so helped impoverished people in the inner-city, didn't they?) Graduated and Rooned by Rone on 6/16/01 | ||||
| The Painter 1/2 a bottle of Jack Daniels... it's a cure-all | posted on 07-26-2001 @ 7:31 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | Am it's not your age, it's your inexperience. You still live on the teat. Get a job. Don't cry about child labor laws to me. I've been working since I was 10. When the government starts taking YOUR money, you may think different. You should read a book by Ayn Rand. It's called Atlas Shrugged. It may open your eyes. If Republicans are intrusive, why did a Republican administration give women abortion rights? If Democrats aren't intrusive, why did they burn down Waco. If you believe the dogma of either party you're a fool. Think for yourself. In the words of Thomas Jefferson: The government that governs best, governs least. In other words, the government should leave the people alone to live their lives  | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 07-26-2001 @ 9:46 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: If you believed that dogma in its truest sense you would a anarchist. Or a moderate libertarian anarchist. But a laisez-faire economy is bound to fail(note: anarchism does not promote this). quote: I love how you try to make socialists look like leeches. I guess that means I can say Republicans are Nazis. It's fair game isn't it? Painter I do various jobs but nothing real big mostly under the table kind of stuff. I like how you people prefer to dismiss someone because of their age. It's not like i'm the only one with these ideas so I guess everyone else is that same age too right? quote: Actually that was the Supreme Court. Resident Board Socialist Email me here IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought Syndicate into the International | ||||
| njstrawberry | posted on 07-26-2001 @ 10:20 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Feb. 01 | The first blacks in government were registered Republicans and documentation proves that. The first woman elected into a body of Congress was a republican named Jeannette Rankin of Montana. The Republican party created and legislated the Emancipation Proclamation Act, the 19th Amendment giving women the right to vote and the Civil Rights Act of the 60's. In fact, the right to a woman's choice was made by a Supreme Court that was considered to be "Conservative". The Contract Of America was a key factor in helping individuals off of welfare programs, which exist and help to become productive citizens. This current tax plan that was passed was created and legislated by none other than Republicans. The fact that within the 10 year phase in plan those in the lowest income bracket will pay NO federal taxes is also a Republican "idea" which was carefully enacted and legislated. So, booo-hooo we really hold people back... As for your age, it has nothing to do with my comments. It is the fact that you do not pay taxes and desire a life of living off of everyone else's tax money. If everyone thought like you there would be no taxes for you to live off of because no one would pay them. Get my point? I don't expect to change your mind. That is something you will do on your own. If you aren't a liberal at 20 you have no heart, if you aren't a conservative by 40 you have no brain...remember that one...future republican... ;) I was bi when being bi wasn't kewl. Mmmm tastes like chicken to me, wanna lick? DON'T UNDER ESTIMATE THE PSYCHO FACTOR IN MY HEAD This message was edited by njstrawberry on 7-26-01 @ 10:33 PM | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 07-26-2001 @ 10:31 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: Most of those are when the Republican Party was the more liberal party and where introduced into politics by radicals like myself. Somewhere down the line it changed. quote: When I get a real job(not menial stuff you do as a kid). I'll pay the taxes not find loopholes everywhere I can so I don't have to pay. Future republican please no. Someone please shoot me if i'm either a republican or a democrat when I'm 40. No offense to you guys but I don't want to become the epitome of all I see is wrong. Resident Board Socialist Email me here IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought Syndicate into the International This message was edited by adolescentmasturbator on 7-26-01 @ 10:38 PM | ||||
| DreamWeaver'sHorse | posted on 07-26-2001 @ 10:57 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Feb. 01 | WOW!!! How'd I miss this thread? All I can say is.."Yeah, what Spork & Straw said." You guys are excellent. I thought I was the only right winger on this board. You both must be Freepers, what are your nicks over there? Here's my two cents: The argument that really gets me is the one where the tax cut is not big enough. "Well it's only like a dollar a day in my pocket" To that argument I say take the money if it's 10 dollars a year! It's YOUR friggen money in the first place!! At least taxes are moving in the right direction. It's a matter of someone in the government owning up to the fact that we've been over-charged. Any one of you people would Call up AT&T if you were charged for a $300 phone call you didn't make. But because it's the government, and you all feel as though it's going to be put "to good use" which is bullshit anyway in the context of a surplus, you all line up to pony up the dough. I can't believe people want to fight to give their money away.  | ||||
| Snoteater | posted on 07-26-2001 @ 11:57 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | Straw, I didn't mean you personally, as a whole race. Mine, yours, AM's, and the rest of us. I post a better response when I not soooo tired. | ||||
| The Painter 1/2 a bottle of Jack Daniels... it's a cure-all | posted on 07-27-2001 @ 6:05 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | quote:Actully weren't the Nazi a socialist political party. National Socialist German Workers' Party "I like how you people prefer to dismiss someone because of their age." I guess you didn't see that my post starts out with "It's not your age" This message was edited by The Painter on 7-27-01 @ 6:51 AM | ||||
| Snoteater | posted on 07-27-2001 @ 8:33 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | quote: A budget surplus is always a good thing. If we had a surplus, there are plenty of programs that could use the extra money(i.e. Social Security, Missile Defense program, NASA, & police). Stuff that can make life better for everyone. And if that's what Gov't is all about, then I don't know what it is around for. | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 07-27-2001 @ 12:35 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: Actually the only opposition to the Nazis in the beginning were Socialists. Hitler arrested many socialists in Parliament to block their vote in giving him Supreme Power. Hitler also sent Socialists to Concentration camps. Just because it has that name it doesn't mean that is what the party is about. Resident Board Socialist Email me here IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought Syndicate into the International | ||||
| njstrawberry | posted on 07-27-2001 @ 9:33 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Feb. 01 | quote: First off I am not a kid, secondly I am more woman than your 15 year old ass could ever handle and third I don't find loopholes everywhere not to pay taxes. I have worked since I was younger than you are now. If you are going to knock me for being a Republican feel free but have the facts to back it. You are beginning to sound even younger than your age. ;) As for you being a Republican. Trust me you, either way you won't be a socialist at 40. When your party disappoints you continually and trust me they will, you will jump ship. I was bi when being bi wasn't kewl. Mmmm tastes like chicken to me, wanna lick? DON'T UNDER ESTIMATE THE PSYCHO FACTOR IN MY HEAD | ||||
The sky is blue | posted on 07-27-2001 @ 9:57 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Oct. 00 | Newsflash: WE PAY AMONG THE LOWEST TAXES IN THE WORLD Ooo, breaking news: REPUBLICANS, YOU VOTED FOR THIS MAN:   I'm still saved.... Tune in next week for Gooch's creative works on my status! This message was edited by Fez on 7-27-01 @ 10:08 PM | ||||
| Spork | posted on 07-28-2001 @ 12:01 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | Fez, That's the point, my friend. Do you not find it a rather amazing correlation between the facts that we pay among the lowest taxes in the world and yet we have among the highest standards of living on the planet? Imagine that! I still remain baffled that there are people out there who want to pay more taxes!? If you folks want to, then by all means, give more of YOUR money over to the government (although it's quite funny that those who don't make as much money seem to want everyone else to pay their way). Those kids in Washington will spend it mighty quick for you so that they can guarantee their own re-election. Have you ever thought if you are so altruistic, that your money might be better spent going to a charity? Word around the campfire is that charities tend to be a little less political than the executive and legislative branches of government. Not only that, a higher percentage of the money that you donate actually goes to HELP the people you think you're helping. But that's right, you want me to give my money to the most wasteful charity of all, the US government. Oy vey! Graduated and Rooned by Rone on 6/16/01 | ||||
| F the S out of her A | posted on 07-28-2001 @ 12:32 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | It's past midnight I have to get up early, so I sorta skimmed the last 30 or so posts in the thread. The real issue here is that a President was selected, despite a horrible resume (drove something like four corporations into the ground), has put forth a tax refund for a year in which he was not in office. The scary part is this reunion of the Reagan Administration. Over the past twenty years, the Fed has been working its way into the deficit that was ignored by Reagan in favor of an arms buildup greater than that of World War II. Now that all the old gang is back in town, they want to spend on the military like they did in the eighties. While I feel we need to rebuild some of our military might, we do not need to place China up as a red herring to justify outrageous spending. Someone said it right earlier in the thread when they mentioned downsizing the government; doing away with the Depts. of Energy and Education, two redundant organizations (the states already have such departments) as early as TOMORROW would start to reduce our taxes in a more organic manner. We do not need tax relief, we need government relief, and the rest would (in theory) take care of itself. We do not need to raise taxes, we need to lower spending. For those who follow politics (see: not government, but POLITICS), these are really exciting times. Those of us who follow policy and the economy, these are extremely frustrating times. So, pick your poison: smoke and mirrors economics or just some really interesting postulation on who will be the first candidate to ever unseat a sitting President for the Republican nomination in 2004. But this is my country, and it is, despite the self-centered buffoons on Pennsylvania Avenue, one of the best in the history of the world, without a doubt. Canada does not suck, Spork, but it save healthcare, we kick its ass pretty well... just ask Stan, Kyle, Kenny and Cartman! Adopted by JonBenet Norton through correspondence course Admitted complete tool | ||||
| Spork | posted on 07-28-2001 @ 1:50 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | Uh, yes, Canada DOES suck. That is why I left. Oh, I suppose it doesn't suck if being rewarded for hard work is a virtue you don't have much time for, and I'm not about to get into the million ways in which Canada sucks because it would just take too long. I do feel, having lived a good 22 years of my life in Canada, that I am indeed at liberty to declare its suckiness! These can be exciting times for you if you study politics and/or history and/or economics - whatever. I would like to think that I follow them all, at least my Poltical Science degree won't go to complete waste. Please remember, if you are a student of politics or government that the United States has three branches of government. Tax legislation is generally not passed unilaterally by the President. I also think that people forget how there really WAS a Cold War going on while Reagan was in office, and it was a dangerous time (lord knows as a kid I was crapping my pants having nightmares about nuclear anihilation) and you know what, Ronald Reagan WON that war. Reagan drove the Soviet Union into the ground. They could NOT keep up with us. And if you want to pretend that all the research and space travel that was done during the Cold War did not contribute to the bursting forth of the Information Age and the subsequent breakthroughs in communication technology and increased productivity on the part of the workers and corporations in these United States then go right ahead. But remember, ALL the doom and gloom that Reagan's foes were projecting never came true. All that bullshit about "our grandchildren will forever be paying our debt" stuff just never materialized now did it? The 80's were a very prosperous time for the United States. Revisionist historians can argue otherwise, but they'll be telling lies. Moderately conservative estimates say that the national debt could be gone as early as 2012. And YES that includes those current tax cuts in there. Congress needs to be FORCED to reduce spending, they won't do it on their own. That's the whole point. If you give them money they WILL spend it. Period. If you give the money back to the people who deserve it, those who earned it, then THAT is when things will "take care of themselves." Graduated and Rooned by Rone on 6/16/01 | ||||
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