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| Lord Duvious | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 12:36 PM |    | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jul. 01  | I hate to subject everyone to one of my diatribes, but this subject came up in the slacking thread, and I thought it deserved it's own. *Note: This is just my opinion, if you disagree, please spout off all you want... I love America. Plain and simple. While I will say that our government is in no way infallible, I do have to say that I am grateful to have been born in a country where freedom is a given. In many countries one does not have the ability to speak his/her mind, take a stand, fight the government. We have this right. There are many individuals in the public spotlight who disagree with out government, i.e. it's policies and actions. Why would these individuals choose to remain in a nation where such perceived transgressions take place? Simply put, because they benefit from the system. I do not begrudge anyone the right to have an opinion. I don't agree with Rage Against the Machine's politics, but I don't hold that against them when I listen to their music. It just pisses me off when they spout anti-American rhetoric, all the while making millions of dollars off a system they claim to hate. As the son of an Air Force officer, I was raised to respect the flag, our history as a nation, and be proud to be a citizen of this country. I know not everyone has or is brought up with the same respect. This, in my opinion, is a shame. Thousands of men and women sacrificed their lives in order for Americans to have the rights many of us take for granted. When I see callous individuals desecrating the memory of those men and women by failing to pay the proper respect during the national anthem, I wonder what the future of this great country will be. ::jumps down off the soapbox:: OK, I'm done. I didn't put this in FU because I didn't intend it to be a super-patriotic ra-ra America thread, so if you have a dissenting opinion, feel free to post.  | ||||
| Corpsegrinderjunk | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 12:40 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Aug. 00 | I too am proud to be an american. I agee that our justice sytem among other things isn't perfect, but all in all we live in the greatest country on the face of the earth and I wouldn't change it for anything.. I mean where else would you go to have such a diversified community. Most places you'd be lucky to have clean water. In the USA, you can get all kinds of fucking flavored water! Everyone is always going to complain about how we don't have certain things, or that something isn't workin, but if you stuck that same person in some 3rd world country, they would be singing a different tune... Why fucking bother "Think before you write" - Froy E-Mail Me | ||||
| JohnSlack | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 12:40 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | I agree with you, and disagree. America is great. and I always stand and remove my hat for the national anthem, out of respect for those who have fought and died for our country. However, people need to realize how evil our goverment can be, and that most people turn a blind eye to. All while politicians (the dirtiest people on earth) laugh at the american people and go 'suckers.' I don't think anti-america sentiments from people like RAGE are anti-servicemen. I think they are against american international bullying tactics using hard-working american citizen as pawns and killing them off for no reason. for example, we have no business being involved with Israel - the israelis stole palestine from the arabs because 'the torah says we belong here' I don't buy it. But do you know why it has held up - the jewish lobby in the US. and don't worry, if a war breaks out there, the US will be the first to send americans to die for a cause that is wrong. Israel is the next vietnam, mark my words.. For example: Kindest Regards, Your Name | ||||
| Lord Duvious | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 12:50 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jul. 01 | I tend to agree with you (just a little) about Israel. Unfortunately, our position as the only remaining super power doesn't allow us to have a hands off policy. I'm not sure if Israel could turn into another Vietnam though. I'm sure there would be a resolution (unlike Vietnam which had none) if we joined a fight there. Valid point about RATM. I guess I failed to distinguish that they choose to target different aspects of the nation's operation. | ||||
| AFDude | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 1:06 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Well said, Duvious. About RATM, I like their music-always have. I don't listen to it because of their anti-establishment lyrics, I just like their music. Even in a great country like ours, people find something negative to bitch about in government. Everybody knows our system is by no means perfect, but at least the people in this country have a say in how it's run and can work to change something they don't like. Most any other country does not allow it's citizens half the rights we do. For example, in China people who go t here as Christian missionaries are still dragged into the streets, beaten, and deported..but only if they are U.S. citizens. They have to pretend to be teachers, lawyers, etc. A person from another country would just "disappear" or have a car "accident" Take a look around, realize you live in the best country in the world bar none...and enjoy it.  Any potential adoptees can go here:AFDude@opieanthony.com One adoptee currently in "AFD's Newbie Academy" Currently, Duvious is in training... Thanks to Maynard for the Sig help. | ||||
| JohnSlack | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 1:57 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | I agree we do have more freedoms then most of the countries in the world...but not all the ones we were intended to have by our founding fathers..why settle for less, even if it is the best out there? For example: Kindest Regards, Your Name | ||||
| Black Lazerus | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 2:03 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | Love the country even served its USAF.( try getting some chinese food at 2 in the morning in England) Hate the Bull that goes on between the people,all of them. The stuff in the past should not be Forgotten it should bring us closer together(but it won't) Personaly i feel Every One should have to serve in the service to learn a lesson about getting along with other people. What Do you think AFdude? people always complain about whats wrong with this country should go to another and live for 2 - 3 mounths you will beg to come back "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot will be victorious. | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 2:14 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | I agree with everything slack has said. Like in vietnam regardless if you believed it was just or not, the government sent troops to die in a war they acknowledged they would not win in 1964. Tell that to a mother who lost her son so the US could make a "stand aganist communism." You are right about Israel. Israel has a long list of human rights abuses. In fact you would be surprised but many jews are opposed to Israel for this very fact.  Resident Board Socialist Email me here IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought into the International | ||||
| Roger | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 2:28 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | I have not read this thread therefor I do not have an opinion. All I wanna know is what the hell is Lord Duvious? Is that a cross btwn devious and dubious? "One girl, I drove through three states wearing her head as a hat." ~ Garland 'The Marietta Mangler' Greene "Hand me the keys, you cocksucker!" "In English, please?" "Excuse me?" "In English." "Hand me the fucking keys, you cocksucker, what the fuck?" | ||||
| Lord Duvious | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 2:31 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jul. 01 | That's about it Roger. The simple explanation is that its a corruption of my name. Blame my frat big brother for it. Proud Graduate of the AFDude Academy Now I have my wings | ||||
| Arpikarhu Harmless Teddy I wish Maynard was still posting here so I could implant my head up his ass. Needle dick, bear salesman. I think I'm a revolutionary. Actually, I'm a one trick pony. I enjoy C&BT | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 2:46 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Apr. 01 | quote: this statement is so blatantly misinformed that it is hilarious. try reading sometime. why are people with the least to say the loudest Arpi Karhu Kauppias Forever!!! graduted by CRXGIRL AIM- Arpikarhu  | ||||
| Roger | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 2:49 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Damnit, the obvious answer was the correct one? I hate that, like mystery. Ah, being right ain't bad. "One girl, I drove through three states wearing her head as a hat." ~ Garland 'The Marietta Mangler' Greene "Hand me the keys, you cocksucker!" "In English, please?" "Excuse me?" "In English." "Hand me the fucking keys, you cocksucker, what the fuck?" | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 2:50 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Airparku Go here. Resident Board Socialist Email me here IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought into the International | ||||
| Arpikarhu Harmless Teddy I wish Maynard was still posting here so I could implant my head up his ass. Needle dick, bear salesman. I think I'm a revolutionary. Actually, I'm a one trick pony. I enjoy C&BT | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 2:59 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Apr. 01 | what about it? listen, i am not going to get into a debate about about the method in which israel became a state or about american foriegn interests in the middle east. i was just pointing out the simplistic and misinformed statement that jonslack made. the matter is infinitly more complex and involved and we can probably never know the truth of it all. Arpi Karhu Kauppias Forever!!! graduted by CRXGIRL AIM- Arpikarhu | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 3:07 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Obviously the matter is complex but that doesn't change the fact that Israel wrongly came into being. Resident Board Socialist Email me here IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought into the International | ||||
| Arpikarhu Harmless Teddy I wish Maynard was still posting here so I could implant my head up his ass. Needle dick, bear salesman. I think I'm a revolutionary. Actually, I'm a one trick pony. I enjoy C&BT | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 3:11 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Apr. 01 | quote: i cant help but see statements like this as thinly veiled anti-semitism. Arpi Karhu Kauppias Forever!!! graduted by CRXGIRL AIM- Arpikarhu | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 3:14 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: I love statements like that. I am the farthest thing from racist. That same book is written by a Jew. Is he anti-semitic towards himself? Let me ask you something do you oppose a black nationalist state? If not are you racist towards black people? EDIT-Please do not take this as support for the PLO. In my opinion whatever they may have been they are a terrorist group that is just as bad as the Israeli government. We have to realize that the PLO doesn't represent Palestinians as a whole and the Israeli government doesn't represrent the Israeli people as a whole as well. Resident Board Socialist Email me here IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought into the International This message was edited by adolescentmasturbator on 7-31-01 @ 6:03 PM | ||||
| o&aswallow | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 8:57 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Bravo Lord D. I could go on forever here, but just a few thoughts. We are not a perfect country but one of the best if not the best. Our freedom is the envy of much of the world. It is something we often take for granted. Never, ever forget the sacrafices made to give us that freedom. Never, ever. Vietnam. The war effort was one of the disgraces of American foriegn policy. Don't ever buy into the fact that we couldn't have won that war. So many died and so many were maimed and we never made the commitment necessary to win it. I protested the war and then later enlisted and sat on a plane in 1975 in full combat gear, ready to go in to try and save Saigon. The orders never came and this country hung it's head in shame. It was the policy of the lawmakers and the cowards that Johnson and Nixon were, to commit to win the war, that the lost the war for this country. The troops that went to Nam, were brave and sacraficed everything. And as a nation, we had the gaul to shun them when they came home. Never become complacent about your government. If you feel it it's not serving you, change it. Don't sit there and say you can't. We more than any other country on this planet have that ability. Youth changed this country in the 60's and 70's. It can be changed again. And AM, you mentioned in the slacker thread that the US acted for oil (I believe you were talking about Kuwait) and not as a liberator. I respect your opinion but you are wrong young man. Even though the oil interests in Kuwait are key to the security of this country, are record on defending nations under oppression is stellar. There were no oil interests in Yugoslavia, but there was a tyrant on the rise. Vietnam was a crucial keystone in stopping communisim in the pacific rim. And even though the US needed Kuwaits oil, we were not about to let a free nation and a friend fall to the likes of Saddam. Like the policy or not, we are the worlds policeman when it comes to protecting the will and desire of free nations and their desire to remain free. Anytime one of those nations are threatened, we will and we must respond. God Bless America!  o&aswallow Recognized His Destiny Early. Too Many Hotties, Not Enough Horny Goat Weed Now accepting foster children applications. Cash only, no checks. Email at onaswallow@opieanthony.com Frat Guy has rented one of the foster bedrooms as of 7/21. Yes ladies, another college boy is in town for you to ravage. It at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed. - Curly Howard. Pennsylvania resident, but original NYC listener. This message was edited by o&aswallow on 7-31-01 @ 9:27 PM | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 9:59 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Vietnam could have been a democratic country. The communists by all accounts would have won the election after re-unification. The US stopped elections and helped cause a bloody civil war. quote: I respect those troops. I just feel horrible that their government forced them to kill civilians and innocents under the guise of "fighting communism." It was documented by 1964 that Johnson and top military brass knew that winning the war was impossible. But they were still sent so they could make a stand aganist communism. Tell that to someone whose child died to make a stand aganist Communism. We disdain the Soviet Union for invading Afghanistan yet we do not when America invaded Vietnam. Because of American involvement half of the Vietnamese population is under 25. quote: Oh there were other reasons. Here is some info on the subject. quote: Resident Board Socialist Email me here IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought into the International | ||||
| o&aswallow | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 10:05 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Unfortunately I can't debate all night with you AM, but a couple of corrections to your "facts". We did not invade Vietnam. After the French withdrew their troops (the year escapes me at the moment but I want to say 1959), the South Vietnamese government pleade with the US to provide aid to their struggle. The Eisenhower administration provided arms, money and advisors. Over time we continued building up to troops to protect the advisors and provide support for the ARVN. Also for the record, Johson wanted the US to escalate involvement in Vietnam to benefit his war machine buddies in Texas. The Gulf of Tonkin incident, where American naval vessels where allegedly fired on, and was the incident that won Johnson approval by Congress to wage limited war was staged. This is not consistant with your allegations that Jhonson new he couldn't win the war. Other than some Kurdish religious battles in Turkey, the Turks to my knowledge have not tried to ethnicaly clense any peoples since 1915 when they exterminated 1.5 million Armenians. So I think your other source is a bit misguided also. Good night and never loose your passion AM. o&aswallow Recognized His Destiny Early. Too Many Hotties, Not Enough Horny Goat Weed Now accepting foster children applications. Cash only, no checks. Email at onaswallow@opieanthony.com Frat Guy has rented one of the foster bedrooms as of 7/21. Yes ladies, another college boy is in town for you to ravage. It at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed. - Curly Howard. Pennsylvania resident, but original NYC listener. | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 10:35 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | The Soviets were invited by Afghanistan too. That didn't make it right. As for Johnson here is a Times report. quote: Also, the Turkish government oppresses the Kurdish people. Turkey has been known to imprison even try to give the death penalty to Turks that speak out aganist this. It also tries to get rid of as much media information as possible. Resident Board Socialist Email me here IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought into the International | ||||
| Lord Duvious | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 10:40 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jul. 01 | Unfortunately gentlemen, there are few absolutes on which to base this argument. Whether or not the US took the role of democratic watchdog too far in Vietnam and lost sight of the impotance of life, I don't know. I see this as a never ending circle of contradicting information and hearsay. I respect your point AM, and unlike many people out there, you obviously have the intelligence and knowledge to back up your statements. It's faily obvious that neither one of you is going to convince the other of his opinion, but I'm glad we have a dialogue in which to discuss these issues. That didn't sound to stuffy did it? Oh fuckin well. Proud Graduate of the AFDude Academy Now I have my wings | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 10:49 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Don't get me wrong people. If I may strongly disagree with you or not I respect your opinions just as long as you present them in an intelligent matter. And it seems most of you do that. Sure there may be one or two that don't but that's the same with every creed. EDIT-In regard to your first statement about RATM. Not all the members are completely radicals(to the best of my knowledge) and the ones that are usually donate. Their point on being on a major label is it allows them to get their message on a greater level. Resident Board Socialist Email me here IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought into the International This message was edited by adolescentmasturbator on 7-31-01 @ 10:56 PM | ||||
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| posted on 07-31-2001 @ 10:50 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | quote: [rant] I love this crap - basically says if you don't sing 'god bless israel' you are an antisemite. And not wanting to be compared to nazis most people back down. Its fucking wrong to make a blanket charge of racism against anyone who doesn't agree with your views. Jews want you to cry a river over a couple dead israeli soldiers while thousands of palistinian CHILDREN lay dead for throwing rocks..even the united nations has made like 20 resolutions calling for the end of israeli occupation. I would like to see how tough israel gets with the arabs if they didn't have daddy USA in their corner because Jewish special interest groups and big campain contributions..Hey if its your 'homeland' or whatever you want to call it, fine, you go fight. But if you think I am getting drafted to head over there - fuck that shit! [/rant] For example: Kindest Regards, Your Name | ||||
| slackjaw The Cunt-Twat is my WORLD! The Great Pumpkin | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 11:02 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | AM, I suppose we had alterior motives for going into Somalia as well? As far as our alliance with Israel goes, the absolute number one reason we have such close ties to them to this day is strength. Israel is our strongest ally in the Middle East. Think of this, they are one small country surrounded by mortal enemies that outnumber them tenfold. These enemies are the most dangerous kind, spiritual zealots who consider it an honor to die in the name of Allah. Yet, Israel survives. These same "enemies" contain large numbers of people who despise every thing our country stands for as well, making them dangerous to us. They know full well that they stand little chance in a full scale battle with the U.S., so they fight with different tactics. Much the same as the Colonial Army used guerilla tactics (well, the closest thing to it at the time), the fanatic terrorists use warfare that we would consider barbaric. Having an ally like Israel greatly stagnates potential outbreaks, "keeps them honest" so to speak. I may not agree with Israeli policies and practices, but at the same time, to discard them could have horrifying effects. It is kind of like the old addage "the evil that you know vs. the evil that you don't"  School's out, shouldn't you have a job? The Slackjaw School of Satire and Sodomy has completed the removal of all carcinogens..... now they are Tequila's mess! We are officially back in business, first new adoptee gets a lifetime pass to the new fun park facilities! Yes, yes, Spermie World is up and running! Two Slots open. | ||||
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