02-26-2004, 04:48 PM
This is strictly for discussion sakes, this is not a whole belief thing, everyone has their beliefs. This is strictly under that it happened and jesus was infact the son of god, messiah, or messenger.
Well it can ultimately be blamed on either the jews, the romans, or jesus himself or a combo of all 3.
You also gotta take into account this, it's easy to look back and blame them or anyone with the knowlege available after and today. I mean if someone showed up today claiming to be the son of god and king of the jews, he'd be in bellvue, no one would believe him. But go back 2000 years when we werent as caring as a people and you'd be killed as he was.
Jesus was a menace to the high priests of the jewish temples in jerusalem. He threatened their livelihood and their power, so they did want him dead. They tried him on a bunch of trumped up charges and got him on blasphemy for claiming to be the king of the jews and the son of god. But they could not execute him, so they took him before Pilate and he actually found him innocent, he coulda ended it right there and dismissed the case against Jesus... ofcourse his name was not Jesus, His name was Yeshua. But back then the Y was pronounced like the J today so it was Jeshua, it wasn't till long after he was annointed "jesus" probably by constantine who was more responsible for christianity than Yeshua himself.
Either way Pilate found him innocent but the mobs of jews called for his death, wether they were there on their own or rounded up by the high priests and forced is anyones guess but pilate washed his hands literally to symbolize the fact that Jesus' blood would not be on his hands cause he was innocent but did sentence him to death by crucifixtion.
But Jesus knew what he was doing, he knew all his actions would eventually lead to his death. He coulda left jerusalem if he wanted to but he stayed. Before his capture in the forrest he bled from his forehead, which was probably due to the stress and can actually happen under great stress. He said at the last supper that the bread they were eating was his broken body and the wine his spilled blood. He told Judas at the supper to do what he had to do but to do it quickly.
He rode into jerusalem on a donkey and made sure it was a spectacle. The prophecy of the coming of the messiah described him as "riding into the holy land on a donkey". Right then and there he was proclaiming himself the messiah but that wasnt enough to kill him. He made sure to go to jerusalem on the busiest week of the year which was passover when the population doubled in jerusalem for the week, if not tripled. He made a scene in front of the holy temple by accusing the priests, money changers and everyone for being corrupt and threatening that god would destroy the temples and everyone in them.
He knew what he was doing and knew the outcome, he was speeding towards it. It's not right to blame the jews because it wasnt the people, it was the people in charge who wanted him dead cause they were already corrupt. You can blame Pilate but he caved in to the peoples demands, ofcourse its not simple to say if the people were there out of force or not. But Jesus needed to die, he knew he did.
If Jesus had not died, what would be the point? He came to die for the sins of the people, he wouldnt have been ressurected, etc etc. Death made him what he is today, jesus was born and died a hebrew. If he was not crucified christianity may have never existed, he didnt create christianity, he proclaimed himself king of the jews.
Well it can ultimately be blamed on either the jews, the romans, or jesus himself or a combo of all 3.
You also gotta take into account this, it's easy to look back and blame them or anyone with the knowlege available after and today. I mean if someone showed up today claiming to be the son of god and king of the jews, he'd be in bellvue, no one would believe him. But go back 2000 years when we werent as caring as a people and you'd be killed as he was.
Jesus was a menace to the high priests of the jewish temples in jerusalem. He threatened their livelihood and their power, so they did want him dead. They tried him on a bunch of trumped up charges and got him on blasphemy for claiming to be the king of the jews and the son of god. But they could not execute him, so they took him before Pilate and he actually found him innocent, he coulda ended it right there and dismissed the case against Jesus... ofcourse his name was not Jesus, His name was Yeshua. But back then the Y was pronounced like the J today so it was Jeshua, it wasn't till long after he was annointed "jesus" probably by constantine who was more responsible for christianity than Yeshua himself.
Either way Pilate found him innocent but the mobs of jews called for his death, wether they were there on their own or rounded up by the high priests and forced is anyones guess but pilate washed his hands literally to symbolize the fact that Jesus' blood would not be on his hands cause he was innocent but did sentence him to death by crucifixtion.
But Jesus knew what he was doing, he knew all his actions would eventually lead to his death. He coulda left jerusalem if he wanted to but he stayed. Before his capture in the forrest he bled from his forehead, which was probably due to the stress and can actually happen under great stress. He said at the last supper that the bread they were eating was his broken body and the wine his spilled blood. He told Judas at the supper to do what he had to do but to do it quickly.
He rode into jerusalem on a donkey and made sure it was a spectacle. The prophecy of the coming of the messiah described him as "riding into the holy land on a donkey". Right then and there he was proclaiming himself the messiah but that wasnt enough to kill him. He made sure to go to jerusalem on the busiest week of the year which was passover when the population doubled in jerusalem for the week, if not tripled. He made a scene in front of the holy temple by accusing the priests, money changers and everyone for being corrupt and threatening that god would destroy the temples and everyone in them.
He knew what he was doing and knew the outcome, he was speeding towards it. It's not right to blame the jews because it wasnt the people, it was the people in charge who wanted him dead cause they were already corrupt. You can blame Pilate but he caved in to the peoples demands, ofcourse its not simple to say if the people were there out of force or not. But Jesus needed to die, he knew he did.
If Jesus had not died, what would be the point? He came to die for the sins of the people, he wouldnt have been ressurected, etc etc. Death made him what he is today, jesus was born and died a hebrew. If he was not crucified christianity may have never existed, he didnt create christianity, he proclaimed himself king of the jews.
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