Gay Marriage

[The Jays]

Fine you are not a reagan lover I am sorry.

I admire the fact you are actually interested in learning but you are not asking questions you are arguing a point thats quite naive.

I apologize if I offended you.

1) Thank you.



2) I've been asking questions, and then comparing answers against what I have learned prior to and what I know.

Did I phrase my question wrong? What rights does a marriage provide a couple that a civil union doesnt? Is that not relevant to the discussion? I've never been married, I've never been in a civil union, I never bothered to ask my parents what benefits my parents get for being married. Can I not ask this question? What's the problem?

So, there's no difference in the rights, it's just that there's two different institutions for basically the same thing, and there's only civil unions in Vermont as of right now?

One side says that the purpose of marriage is for the procreation of and raising of children. And the other says...?

So why is there a problem with calling one a marriage and one a civil union, if both of them are A-OK, and both of them carry the same benefits?

How exactly can they be viewed as inferior if they have been given the same rights as the other?

I mean, what ever happened to the idea of celebrating the differences of one another?

How can the government do it? The Constitution says you can't make laws that infrige upon the rights of others.

Do you believe that the government has the right to tell people who is inferior and who is not?

What do you mean by this?

Is it a bad thing that they are gay?

In those two sentences, where does it say that a marriage is better than a civil union?

Can the federal government force the Catholic Church to recognize gay marrriage?

3) Apology accepted.

I posted in the Personality thread that I took the test a few monthes ago, and I came up and INTJ.

Black Laz posted...

Be willing to back up your statements with facts - or at least some pretty sound reasoning.


Don't expect them to respect you or your viewpoints just because you say so. INTJ respect must be earned.


Be willing to concede when you are wrong. The average INTJ respects the truth over being "right". Withdraw your erroneous comment and admit your mistake and they will see you as a very reasonable person. Stick to erroneous comments and they will think you are an irrational idiot and treat everything you say as being questionable.


Try not to be repetitive. It annoys them.


Do not feed them a line of bull.


Expect debate. INTJs like to tear ideas apart and prove their worthiness. They will even argue a point they don't actually support for the sake of argument.


Do not mistake the strength of your conviction with the strength of your argument. INTJs do not need to believe in a position to argue it or argue it well. Therefore, it will take more than fervor to sway them.


Do not be surprised at sarcasm.


Remember that INTJs believe in workable solutions. They are extremely open-minded to possibilities, but they will quickly discard any idea that is unfeasible. INTJ open-mindedness means that they are willing to have a go at an idea by trying to pull it apart. This horrifies people who expect oohs and ahhs and reverence. The ultimate INTJ insult to an idea is to ignore it, because that means it's not even interesting enough to deconstruct.

This also means that they will not just accept any viewpoint that is presented to them. The bottom line is "Does it work?" - end discussion.

One last thing, you said this.

It's the same in legal terms but they cant have it in a church, synagouge, mosque or whatever their place of worship is. It's only recognized in VT. Thats how its segragational and how its not the same.

But even if it was gay marriage, they still can't have it in a church, synagouge, or mosque. Doesn't that point out that the problem is with those religions and with society, rather than with government itself?