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Charlene	posted on 03-11-2002 @ 4:28 PM
Hanger-On Registered: Mar. 02	They are not animals - animals don't know any better. These people are cowards. They attacked civilians and knew they were killing innocent people. Call them what they are - cowards. All the best, Charlene

GRABMYJUNK	posted on 03-11-2002 @ 4:30 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	Char. What the hell are you talking about??? "Remember, where-ever you go...there you are." "Ratshit! Batshit! Dirty old Twat! 69 Assholes Tied in a Knot! Chickenshit! Fuck-Up!"-George Carlin

Grizzly When I hibernate my cave doubles as a dutch oven. DON'T PANIC	posted on 03-11-2002 @ 4:35 PM
Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01	quote: Char. What the hell are you talking about??? I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume it's the terrorists she's refering to. O&A called them animals, but she's right - they're worse than that. Animals would do it out of survival - these fucks did it out of hatred, and they are cowards for going after innocent people. The fact that they feel justification in the idea that killing innocents is what the US does all the time only exposes further their warped minds. NORTON IS GOD

Tallguy 22 Fuck, I cant fucking spel or kant fucking cuont eithre! but...I LOVE TEH COCK!!!	posted on 03-11-2002 @ 5:17 PM
Psychopath Registered: Feb. 02	they make me despise calling myself a muslam fucking cowards. Set the whole fucking muslam religon back 50 years. Strangley The last things that Nortons victims say.

Meatbus	posted on 03-11-2002 @ 9:19 PM
Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01	quote: they make me despise calling myself a muslam You're Muslim? I wouldn't have guessed.

Tallguy 22 Fuck, I cant fucking spel or kant fucking cuont eithre! but...I LOVE TEH COCK!!!	posted on 03-11-2002 @ 9:23 PM
Psychopath Registered: Feb. 02	well i come from bosnia and my dads albanian and so i am part bosnian part albanian.so thats how i am muslam and how couldent you have geussed. Strangley The last things that Nortons victims say. This message was edited by Tallguy 22 on 3-11-02 @ 9:27 PM

Monocracy I watch Courtroom Dramas so I am TEH L33T COPYRIET LAWEYR!!!11	posted on 03-12-2002 @ 9:16 AM
Hanger-On Registered: Nov. 01	quote: The fact that they feel justification in the idea that killing innocents is what the US does all the time only exposes further their warped minds. And yet, innocent Afghanis are dying because Taliban soldiers killed American innocents. Most Americans feel this is justified. Therefore, by your comment, most Americans also have warped minds.

Norton's Victim	posted on 03-12-2002 @ 9:18 AM
Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02	quote: And yet, innocent Afghanis are dying because Taliban soldiers killed American innocents. Most Americans feel this is justified. Therefore, by your comment, most Americans also have warped minds. You liberal faggot. WE ARE AT FUCKING WAR. No. I could careless about the innocent Afghanis. We are doing nothing wrong. What do you think, they are upset? No fucking way. We are FREEING them. They are slaves of their government and we are fighting their revolution for them. People die in a revolution. At the same time we are protecting ourselves from terrosrism. Get used to it, MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE. Over here and over there. Hopefully not many over here, but there are more countries that we need to destroy. I mean completely DESTROYED. Don't feel bad for these people over there. We have thousdands of families over here that have been ripped apart, and you feel bad for the few hundred that died over there? (If it is even that many) Jesus Christ, wake up. Peace doesn't work as long as there are cowards like this in the world. â€œThe window burns to light the way back home. A light that warms no matter where they've gone. They're off to find the hero of the day. But what if they should fall by someone's wicked way. Still the window burns. Time so slowly turns. And someone there is sighing. Keepers of the flames. Do ya feel your name? Can't you hear your babies crying? Mama they try and break me. Still they try and break me. 'Scuze me while I tend to how I feel. These things return to me that still seem real. Now deservingly this easy chair. But the rocking stopped by wheels of despair. Don't want your aid. But the first I've make. For years can't hold or feel. No, I'm not all me. So please excuse me. While I tend to how I feel. But now the dreams and waking screams. That ever last the night. So build the wall, behind the crawl. And hide until it's light. So can you hear your babies cryin' now? Still the window burns. Time so slowly turns. And someone there is sighing. Keepers of the flames. Do ya feel your name? Can't you hear your babies crying?â€ - Metallica "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty." - John F. Kennedy, 1961

Monocracy I watch Courtroom Dramas so I am TEH L33T COPYRIET LAWEYR!!!11	posted on 03-12-2002 @ 11:05 AM
Hanger-On Registered: Nov. 01	quote: We have thousdands of families over here that have been ripped apart, and you feel bad for the few hundred that died over there? Actually, their civilian death toll is in the thousands ... estimates range from 3000 to 6000+. You don't think their families are ripped apart also? Perhaps you'd feel bad for them if their deaths were shown on TV too ... but then again, perhaps not. I'm not critisizing the war effort, i'm just trying to get the American poeple to stop being nationalistic ignorant hypocrites. So far, i think i'm failing.

Norton's Victim	posted on 03-12-2002 @ 11:10 AM
Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02	Okay, I never heard a death toll that high reported, but I could be wrong or you could be listening to the wrong people. The point is that for the world to be free of this, innocent people have to die. Every country has to defend itself. We were drug into this war, we did not start it. People in Afganistan are thankful for what we are doing. I do feel bad when innocent children die, but I'd rather it be by our bombs being dropped to get rid of terrorism and free people, then have these people living in the horror that they did. It is war and people need to get used to it. It is a sad time when we need to think about American life as more important than any other, but unfortunatley it is one of those time. â€œThe window burns to light the way back home. A light that warms no matter where they've gone. They're off to find the hero of the day. But what if they should fall by someone's wicked way. Still the window burns. Time so slowly turns. And someone there is sighing. Keepers of the flames. Do ya feel your name? Can't you hear your babies crying? Mama they try and break me. Still they try and break me. 'Scuze me while I tend to how I feel. These things return to me that still seem real. Now deservingly this easy chair. But the rocking stopped by wheels of despair. Don't want your aid. But the first I've make. For years can't hold or feel. No, I'm not all me. So please excuse me. While I tend to how I feel. But now the dreams and waking screams. That ever last the night. So build the wall, behind the crawl. And hide until it's light. So can you hear your babies cryin' now? Still the window burns. Time so slowly turns. And someone there is sighing. Keepers of the flames. Do ya feel your name? Can't you hear your babies crying?â€ - Metallica "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty." - John F. Kennedy, 1961

Syndrummer LOOK!! All my "N"s are capitalized!!!	posted on 03-12-2002 @ 11:29 AM
Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02	We never asked to be brought into this. But if you fly a few planes into our buildings, you'd better be prepared for the retaliation. If you want the freedom and ability to sit around all day and argue and discuss topics on computer message boards, then we have to let our military do their jobs.

JackDan1974	posted on 03-12-2002 @ 11:32 AM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jul. 01	quote: Actually, their civilian death toll is in the thousands ... estimates range from 3000 to 6000+. You don't think their families are ripped apart also? Perhaps you'd feel bad for them if their deaths were shown on TV too ... but then again, perhaps not. I'm not critisizing the war effort, i'm just trying to get the American poeple to stop being nationalistic ignorant hypocrites. So far, i think i'm failing. I think you right you are failing.. What other country do you know of that when at war with someone will feed the civilians of the country that they are fighting. You want to say that we are hypocrites, but what do you call a bunch of moron's that kill in the name of their god, and I am not to clear on the religion, but I don't think Alliah wants innocents murder for him.

Monocracy I watch Courtroom Dramas so I am TEH L33T COPYRIET LAWEYR!!!11	posted on 03-12-2002 @ 12:19 PM
Hanger-On Registered: Nov. 01	quote: Okay, I never heard a death toll that high reported, but I could be wrong or you could be listening to the wrong people. Try finding non-American sources (British, Australian, etc.). The American military and press are obviously biased in reporting this information. quote: We were drug into this war, we did not start it. quote: We never asked to be brought into this. How old are you guys? 8? Ever heard of Desert Storm? U.S. aid to Isreal? I don't condone their actions, but lets not pretend that the U.S. was blind-sided without provocation. quote: What other country do you know of that when at war with someone will feed the civilians of the country that they are fighting. You want to say that we are hypocrites, but what do you call a bunch of moron's that kill in the name of their god ... We feed their civilians because we CAN. It's a tactic to try to turn popular opinion in Afghanistan against the Taliban. If Americans were starving and the Al Qaeda had trillions of dollars at their disposal, i'm sure they'd be giving food to us in attempts to turn us against our government. They aren't killing in the name of their God, they are killing to get U.S. influence out of the Middle East. Take some time to study current events before spouting off inaccurate statements. I have nothing against the war with the Taliban, but the American government and media are trying to turn this into a good vs. evil, courageous vs. cowards battle, which it's not. Both sides are fighting for what they believe in. Of course i hope we win, but i just can't stand America's holier-than-thou attitude that is taken while we're doing it. edit - changed an "n" into an apostrophe This message was edited by Monocracy on 3-12-02 @ 12:23 PM

Ferret	posted on 03-12-2002 @ 12:23 PM
Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00	quote: Actually, their civilian death toll is in the thousands ... estimates range from 3000 to 6000+. You don't think their families are ripped apart also? Perhaps you'd feel bad for them if their deaths were shown on TV too ... but then again, perhaps not. I'm not critisizing the war effort, i'm just trying to get the American poeple to stop being nationalistic ignorant hypocrites. So far, i think i'm failing. Never thought I'd say this, but I'm agreeing with Nortons Victim. This is war. People will die. You can't look at every little incident and question if it was necesary. The object is to kill enough of them so that they either give up (which they aren't doing) or are eradicated. All in all, America is taking greater care to keep Afgahni civilian casualties low then is really called for. Most nations wouldn't do that, and you can bet that Afgahnistan wouldn't do the same for us. Thanks to Brokenjaw for the sigpic The official mantra for the Olympics â€œquicker, higher, strongerâ€ has been replaced by â€œcomplain, protest, boycottâ€ for the Salt Lake games. Article coming soon

Redhead Lover	posted on 03-12-2002 @ 12:24 PM
Psychopath Registered: Feb. 02	quote: Ever heard of Desert Storm? U.S. aid to Isreal? I don't condone their actions, but lets not pretend that the U.S. was blind-sided without provocation. Desert Storm? You mean the movement that was provoked by IRAQ when they invaded an ally of ours? We didn't cause Desert Storm, Desert Storm was a REACTION to crimes committed by Iraq. Giving aid to Isreal? You mean the country that had Palestinians open fire on a bus full of Israelie children? Obviously, we wouldn't need to aid Israel if the Palestinians would stop strapping bombs to themselves to kill innocent, unarmed citizens. quote: i'm just trying to get the American poeple to stop being nationalistic ignorant hypocrites. So far, i think i'm failing. Two words... FUCKIN' SPELLCHECKER!! And I don't feel we're being hypocrites. Our attack in Afghanistan was a direct retalliation to the unforgivable terrorist attacks commited by those filthy sand-cunts on sept. 11th. Unless I missed somrthing, I don't believe we killed any innocent Afghans before Sept. 11th. And in your race to badmouth America, I guess you forgot that George W. Bush gave Afghanistan SEVERAL chances to surrender Osama Bin Laden so that we wouldn't have to attack Afghanistan. quote: If Americans were starving and the Al Qaeda had trillions of dollars at their disposal, i'm sure they'd be giving food to us in attempts to turn us against our government. That is quite possibly the stupidest statement I've ever read. In case you haven't been paying attention for the last six months, Al Queda does not feed civilians, they slit unarmed civilians throats and then laugh about it. And before you try to say I made that up, I just described exactly what happened to Daniel Pearl. quote: but i just can't stand America's holier-than-thou attitude that is taken while we're doing it. Oh, you're so right. Why should we be proud of a country that embraces all people, regardless of race, gender, or religion and gives them the freedom to lives their lives however they choose. Yeah, we're certainly no better than these countries where women are shot for wearing make-up. Further proof there is no God... right now our brave soldiers are risking their lives so that people like Monocracy can have the freedom to continue to bash America. Excuse me, I have to vomit now... "Weaselling is all part of human nature! Weaseling separates us from the animals... except the weasel" - Homer Simpson

Monocracy I watch Courtroom Dramas so I am TEH L33T COPYRIET LAWEYR!!!11	posted on 03-12-2002 @ 12:34 PM
Hanger-On Registered: Nov. 01	quote: This is war. People will die. You can't look at every little incident and question if it was necesary. The object is to kill enough of them so that they either give up (which they aren't doing) or are eradicated. You do realise that it's possible that a Taliban soldier said these exact words before ramming a plane into a WTC tower? They fit to a tee. Like i said, there is little difference between them and us.

OAAWITE	posted on 03-12-2002 @ 12:35 PM
Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70	Monocracy, we are feeding their populace becuase we can. We can becuase our citizens have freedom. With freedom, everything is not controlled by the government, and individuals create jobs, money, and products. These things increase the value of society as a whole. Afghanistan will never have money becuase their government is completely fucked up. The "innocent" people of that country have silently supported that anti-freedom and anti-US government ever since WE helped get Russia out of there. So fuck that government. And fuck the people who have supported that government. Civilians or not. We are at war in that country for the sole reason that Afghanistan has harbored and supported the people who committed acts of war against the US. What the fuck does helping Israel or Kuwait have to do with Afghanistan? Absolutely nothing. Just becuase religious zealots in Afghanistan are making the US an "anti-muslim" country doesn't mean they have a fucking clue. We are at war becuase Afgahanistan fucked us. Afgahnistan fucked us becuase the "innocent" people of the country sat back and let it happen. Civilians die in war. That's going to happen. 600, 6,000, 600,000. I couldn't give a rat's ass. The difference is that we are not targeting civilians specifically. New Poster with a question? Reach me through ICQ

Norton's Victim	posted on 03-12-2002 @ 12:49 PM
Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02	Kudos, OAAWITE. That is exactly right. â€œThe window burns to light the way back home. A light that warms no matter where they've gone. They're off to find the hero of the day. But what if they should fall by someone's wicked way. Still the window burns. Time so slowly turns. And someone there is sighing. Keepers of the flames. Do ya feel your name? Can't you hear your babies crying? Mama they try and break me. Still they try and break me. 'Scuze me while I tend to how I feel. These things return to me that still seem real. Now deservingly this easy chair. But the rocking stopped by wheels of despair. Don't want your aid. But the first I've make. For years can't hold or feel. No, I'm not all me. So please excuse me. While I tend to how I feel. But now the dreams and waking screams. That ever last the night. So build the wall, behind the crawl. And hide until it's light. So can you hear your babies cryin' now? Still the window burns. Time so slowly turns. And someone there is sighing. Keepers of the flames. Do ya feel your name? Can't you hear your babies crying?â€ - Metallica "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty." - John F. Kennedy, 1961

Monocracy I watch Courtroom Dramas so I am TEH L33T COPYRIET LAWEYR!!!11	posted on 03-12-2002 @ 1:24 PM
Hanger-On Registered: Nov. 01	Redheadlover quote: Two words... FUCKIN' SPELLCHECKER!! quote: retalliation For now i won't respond to you because you have proven yourself to be a retard within a span of three sentences. I'll use my time for OAAWITE ... at least he has some intelligent comments. OAAWITE quote: Monocracy, we are feeding their populace becuase we can. We can becuase our citizens have freedom. With freedom, everything is not controlled by the government, and individuals create jobs, money, and products. These things increase the value of society as a whole. Afghanistan will never have money becuase their government is completely fucked up. I am in complete agreement with you here. This is why i want America to win ... because our way of life is better. quote: The "innocent" people of that country have silently supported that anti-freedom and anti-US government ever since WE helped get Russia out of there. So fuck that government. You do realise that it was America that trained and supplied bin Laden's network of terrorists to get the commies out of Afghanistan? Right? Right? (Just as the commies helped the Viet Cong in 'nam.) quote: And fuck the people who have supported that government. So you are saying "Fuck the U.S."? quote: What the fuck does helping Israel or Kuwait have to do with Afghanistan? Absolutely nothing. Just becuase religious zealots in Afghanistan are making the US an "anti-muslim" country doesn't mean they have a fucking clue. The religious zealots aren't from Afghanistan. Most of them are from Saudi Arabia (where the U.S. stationed itself during Desert Storm and never left) and other Muslim countries. They aren't "religious zealots" so much as they want U.S. influence the fuck out of the Middle East. (Although i'm not saying this is right, i'm just giving their reasons.) quote: We are at war becuase Afgahanistan fucked us. Afgahnistan fucked us becuase the "innocent" people of the country sat back and let it happen. You mean the "innocent" people that allowed the U.S. to put bin Laden in power, or are you talking about some other "innocent" people? quote: Civilians die in war. That's going to happen. 600, 6,000, 600,000. I couldn't give a rat's ass. The difference is that we are not targeting civilians specifically. And 3,000 of our civilians died. That's going to happen. As you "don't give a rat's ass" about their civilians, many of them probably "don't give a camel's ass" about ours. They didn't specifically target our civilians, they targeted the most important economic structure in the Western world along with one of America's most important military structures.

YellowDiscipline IS STILL REALLY GAY	posted on 03-12-2002 @ 1:28 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Nov. 01	quote: They didn't specifically target our civilians, Bin laden called upon fellow muslims to kill ALL Americans where ever they could, even if they were just civilians. Defend that.

Norton's Victim	posted on 03-12-2002 @ 1:29 PM
Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02	quote: They didn't specifically target our civilians, they targeted the most important economic structure in the Western world along with one of America's most important military structures This is so unbelieveable. They went after our citizens in those buildings. If he wanted to just hurt the buildings, they would have done it at a time when they were least populated, not at 9:00 in the morning right when EVERYONE is there. quote: And fuck the people who have supported that government. So you are saying "Fuck the U.S."? Don't be like this. You know what he means. We did not train terrorists and at the time they made a better ally. We did not support the Taliban. We supported the group that they were. How we we supposed to know that they were going to exploit their power? Sir, you are entitled to your opinion, but when it comes to the best intrest of the world and the people of it, you are very naive. You can stay on your little campaign to save the "innocent" people of the Middle East, but I hope it is your type of people and not mine that have to face the consequences of your ideals. â€œThe window burns to light the way back home. A light that warms no matter where they've gone. They're off to find the hero of the day. But what if they should fall by someone's wicked way. Still the window burns. Time so slowly turns. And someone there is sighing. Keepers of the flames. Do ya feel your name? Can't you hear your babies crying? Mama they try and break me. Still they try and break me. 'Scuze me while I tend to how I feel. These things return to me that still seem real. Now deservingly this easy chair. But the rocking stopped by wheels of despair. Don't want your aid. But the first I've make. For years can't hold or feel. No, I'm not all me. So please excuse me. While I tend to how I feel. But now the dreams and waking screams. That ever last the night. So build the wall, behind the crawl. And hide until it's light. So can you hear your babies cryin' now? Still the window burns. Time so slowly turns. And someone there is sighing. Keepers of the flames. Do ya feel your name? Can't you hear your babies crying?â€ - Metallica "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty." - John F. Kennedy, 1961

OAAWITE	posted on 03-12-2002 @ 1:36 PM
Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70	1. You can't be this retarded. You can't draw parallels between the 5,000 civilians and zero military personell that died during a blind ambush during peacetime on 9/11 with the (let's assume your numbers are correct) 5,000+ civilians and countless military personell that died in the middle of a war in the middle of their country. It simply isn't the same. 2. Bin Laden is not the government. The US had nothing to do with him being in power. He's not even a fucking Afghani. Yes, the US helped get Russia out of that country becuase they were the threat at the time. It is OK to change alliances when people begin to abuse power. The US has done it countless times with many countries and many governments. You deal with the present, squash whatever problems are current and then regroup and re-evaluate. If the US just sat back and let the Middle East work itself out, eventually Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria or whoever the fuck would be in control of the whole place, and then there would be a serious conflict. It's called strategy. Ever hear the phrase "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"? That doesn't mean in any way shape or form we "supported" that government. 3. You're right that many of the religious zealots are not from Afghanistan. That makes it even worse. The rest of the countries in the middle east have told the people to get the fuck out of their country. Afghanistan has welcomed these villians with open arms, protected, funded, and gave them a pulpit for their views. That is the exact reason why the existing political structure in Afghanistan should be eliminated. And in 10 years from now when the NEW government causes problems with the US, will you say that the US "supported" them too? It's the lesser of two evils. Foreign policy dictates that you have to chose between them in many cases. Again, it doesn't mean that you "support" one over the other, because "support" implies agreement. 4. You are giving me the mindset of the Afghanis and Taliban folks. I agree that is their mindset. But the way you are presenting it is making it appear that you are agreeing with them (they don't care about our civlians, they thought tey were right and civilians were an afterthought, they feel the US is intruding on their land, blah blah blah). Yes that is their stance, but it's completely wrong. Not many people will disagree that is their stance, but you are defending it with such ferver that you seem to agree with the. I know you said specifically, you don't, but what's your fucking point then? So they think that the US is evil, Godless and is polluting the rest of the world. They're wrong. Our way of life is better. They think that we are intruding in their lives by having a foreign policy. We have a right to. Their fucked up views in freedom and individual rights will eventually affect us if we let them have free reign. They think that be destroying US commerce buildings they can stop US commerce. They were obviously wrong. Everything they think is wrong. I will agree with you on what they think, why they think it, why they are so positive they are correct. But they are 100% wrong, so I see no reason why you are making such a spectacle about painting them in a positive light. New Poster with a question? Reach me through ICQ

Monocracy I watch Courtroom Dramas so I am TEH L33T COPYRIET LAWEYR!!!11	posted on 03-12-2002 @ 1:54 PM
Hanger-On Registered: Nov. 01	quote: This is so unbelieveable. They went after our citizens in those buildings. If he wanted to just hurt the buildings, they would have done it at a time when they were least populated, not at 9:00 in the morning right when EVERYONE is there. I thought about this for awhile, and tried to figure if there were a better time that they could have attacked whereas less people would be killed. Not just 9:00, but 10:00, 11:00, noon ... 5:00 is when EVERYONE is there. The Muslim pilots NEEDED daylight so that they could see their targets. They also needed a time when there would be the fewest amount of people on the flights that they hijacked (to eliminate the "hero" factor). They also needed to coordinate so that the 4 flights they hijacked would be leaving the east coast, headed for the west coast at approximately the same time. I came to the conclusion that 8:00 - 9:00 in the morning was the only window they had available. quote: We did not train terrorists Yes we did. We specifically trained them to use terrorist tactics against the Russians who were invading Afghanistan. quote: You can stay on your little campaign to save the "innocent" people of the Middle East As i have already stated, i am not trying to "save" the innocents of the Middle East. I am just trying to show that there is no clear right or wrong in this situation. It is not a case of good vs evil. I actually support military action in the Middle East, but i refuse to demonise our enemy just so that we feel better about killing them.

OAAWITE	posted on 03-12-2002 @ 2:01 PM
Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70	quote: there is no clear right or wrong in this situation. It is not a case of good vs evil. I refuse to debate you locially any longer. You are a fucking moron. You cannot be reasoned with. It's either that, or you just are trying to ruffle feathers. Either way, fuck you completely. Don't ever respond to anything I say again. New Poster with a question? Reach me through ICQ

Monocracy I watch Courtroom Dramas so I am TEH L33T COPYRIET LAWEYR!!!11	posted on 03-12-2002 @ 2:06 PM
Hanger-On Registered: Nov. 01	quote: Don't ever respond to anything I say again. OK. i guess reasonable, intelligent debate doesn't belong on this board. Sorry. Go ahead and beat up the next Arab-American you see on the street. Lord knows they are evil, despicable beings.

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