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| Arpikarhu Harmless Teddy I wish Maynard was still posting here so I could implant my head up his ass. Needle dick, bear salesman. I think I'm a revolutionary. Actually, I'm a one trick pony. I enjoy C&BT | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 9:16 PM |    | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Apr. 01  | imagine how many he would have killed if he had access to an assault rifle Arpi Karhu Kauppias Forever!!! graduted by CRXGIRL  Master of the Air Guitar !!!! | ||||
| Jonesin | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 9:20 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Oct. 00 | Unless somebody shot that sick fuck first. Japan's violent crime rate is higher than ours, but they have very strict gun laws. Damn the torpedo's, bite the bullet, go for the gusto, that's what I always say!!! Oh wait...that was someone else. Never mind. | ||||
| Dana Dillon | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 9:25 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Arp!Excellent point!What's next?A butter knife in gay Paree?Gawd, no place on this planet is safe, until one wacko, any where anytime, just releases.We actually are one.....Human but with different belieafs and terrors....Scarey! | ||||
| Spuds_Buckley | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 9:38 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | here is yet another way to look at it... everyone dies, whether it be old age or murder, so what's the difference  You're not gonna take my hair and plant an evil Dewey are you? | ||||
| Jonesin | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 9:38 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Oct. 00 | "If you drove into Richmond, Virginia, today, you'd be greeted by billboards with giant words that say, "An illegal gun gets you five years in federal prison." These warn all felons that Project Exile is in effect. Project Exile simply enforces existing federal law. Project Exile means every convicted felon caught with a gun, no matter what he's doing, will go to prison for five years. No parole, no early releases, no discussion, period. My, my -- incarcerating armed felons. What a novel idea. It works, like no other anti-crime policy ever proposed. Project Exile, in its first year in Richmond, cut gun homicides by 62 percent. And as you'd expect, related gun crimes like robbery, rape and assault also plummeted. That means hundreds of people in Richmond today are alive and intact who, without Project Exile, would be dead or bleeding. For years the NRA has demanded that Project Exile be deployed nationwide. Makes sense, huh? The laws are already on the books. Just enforce them. But Bill Clinton won't do it. When he says he's serious about fighting crime, consider that as a matter of policy -- as a matter of policy - the Clinton Administration is not prosecuting violations of federal gun law. In fact, they reversed the Bush Administration's policy of prosecuting felons with guns. Instead, with plea bargains, a wink and a nod, they've been letting armed felons off the hook. From 1992 to 1998, prosecutions have been cut almost in half. So while Project Exile was saving lives in Richmond, federal prosecution for gun law violations everywhere else dropped by 46 percent. Such fraud could not happen without the news media's alliance in the dishonesty; it goes utterly unreported. Here are more examples. Everyone remembers the press's podium-pounding for Clinton's Crime Bill and its "urgently needed" juvenile gun transfer provisions. It became law. But nobody is reporting that, out of thousands of certain offenders, his Justice Department bothered to prosecute only five people in 1997 and six in 1998. Everyone remembers all the press support for his "desperately needed" semi-auto gun ban -- that outlawed guns based solely on their appearance. But nobody is reporting that, out of thousands of certain offenders, the Clinton Administration prosecuted four people in 1997 and four in 1998. Everyone remembers that media love-child, the Brady Bill. Mr. Clinton repeatedly claims that a quarter million handguns have been prevented from falling into the hands of convicted felons. But nobody is reporting what matters to you: How many of those quarter million people were convicted and taken off your streets for the federal crime of being a felon trying to buy a gun? Try nine! It's surreal. Mr. Clinton stands in the Rose Garden with his ten prop cops, lip-biting in pained support of some new law. The press does its best to get it passed. It becomes law. Then everybody forgets about it. And Americans buy it over and over and over again. Maybe you think a politician's lies can't hurt you. But let me tell you, armed felons can." From the NRA website. I live in VA. Don't think that the above statement is just a stupid quote. The signs are at the border of VA on Rte 81. The message here is "Don't fuck around!!" If every state had that, this thread would not exist. Damn the torpedo's, bite the bullet, go for the gusto, that's what I always say!!! Oh wait...that was someone else. Never mind. | ||||
| Spuds_Buckley | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 9:43 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Funny I used to take that road every time coming home from school and never recall seeing that sign...oh wait I was too busy taking my radar detector off of my windshield to notice. Fucking hard ass VA Staties. You're not gonna take my hair and plant an evil Dewey are you? | ||||
| Arpikarhu Harmless Teddy I wish Maynard was still posting here so I could implant my head up his ass. Needle dick, bear salesman. I think I'm a revolutionary. Actually, I'm a one trick pony. I enjoy C&BT | posted on 06-13-2001 @ 10:07 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Apr. 01 | joesin, you bring up a very good point and a valid one. however it certainly didnt help that republicans blocked more than half of all of clintons judicial nominees, thereby helping to keep republican butts in those seats. and if you think that the NRA's love child George W. is going to turn those statistics around you have got another thing coming. Arpi Karhu Kauppias Forever!!! graduted by CRXGIRL Master of the Air Guitar !!!! | ||||
| WyzeGuy | posted on 06-14-2001 @ 12:58 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | Hunting: Good or Bad Guns: Good or Bad If only it was that simple. Hunting serves a purpose, as do guns, but neither, in and of themselves, is good or bad. Hunting, for example. The fact of the matter is that hunting plays a pivotal role in the population management of many species, often times saving them from total extinction (as has been the case with NY State's Whitetail Deer). As society continues to expand, less and less land is available to support wildlife. It's here where hunting and similar programs designed to trim the herd aren't only good, but down-right necessary. Of course the flipside is that few people (and certainly most Nations) bother to concern themselves with the nobleness in hunting. When it's done solely for sport or commerce, absent any quotas, regulations or responsibility, it's beyond bad. It's evil and threatens the delicate balance that is nature. The same with guns. Here, in America, where gun laws are rather liberal, the murder rate is vastly higher than that of the combined total for most European Nations, where of course gun ownership is almost unheard of. Here, in America, the standard of living is vastly higher than that of the combined total for most European Nations, where of course gun ownership is almost unheard of. My point being, statistics can be twisted to support either argument. A gun is a tool, nothing more. It's only as good or bad as the person using it. That said, I think common sense dictates that guns should be difficult to get. There should be a mandatory backgound check and extensive waiting (read cooling off) period. And, much like with hunting, registration and safety training should be a prerequisite. But, once those requirements are satisfied, law abiding Americans should have the right to gun ownership. Unfortunately, the genie's out of the bottle, and modern day gun laws only serve to handicap those who strive to adhere to the law to begin with. As cliche as it sound, when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. | ||||
| ShavinBush | posted on 06-14-2001 @ 1:20 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | For all of the retarded people whom do not understand the fundamental point of licensing: YOU CANNOT ACQUIRE A HADNGUN or any other SEMI_AUTOMATIC Weapon WITHOUT a GUN PERMIT AND/OR License. I Live in CT and have had my gun permit since my 21st birthday it took 4 tests 2 training classes and over a half a year to acquire (and that is with me being VERY proactive). Since AP-Whatever wants to use the LIBERAL sources for DATA I will use the Conservative NRA: 95% of incidents where people were Injured/Assaulted/or Murdered by an UNTrained assailant with a Weapon could've been prevented by a Properly Trained Victim with a Weapon! Unless you have been in a situation where you have had to protect your family of have been confronted with violence in your own home, do not tell me that I should GIVE up my right to bear arms! I couldn't have talked the guy that attempted to rob me out of my house, but my Sig-Sauer 40 Cal did an excellent job of guiding him right the fuck back out of my son's window! ------------------------------ An Adoptee of Grumpy's Family of Wayward F-tards and Midgets. ------------------------------ | ||||
| ShavinBush | posted on 06-14-2001 @ 1:28 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | Jonesin - AMen! Fuck the liberal BS! I wich I had seen this before my previous post. I was trying to make the same point: You know how you prevent Assault with a Deadly Weapon? Enforce the laws the THE EVIL Republicans put in place - LAWS AGAINST CRIMINALS - Unlike the Democrats (of which I am a member) whom pass laws against Law-Abiding Citizens. Let me tell you how ridiculous Gun Laws have gotten, In California, a young women on the Olympic Shooting Team was training for the Olympics when Cali passed new Semi-Auto gun laws which turned her Competition pistol into an outlawed gun (mind you it is sactioned by the USOC and IOC) when whe sent a letter to the Governor asking for exemption she go a big fat "No", so when she went to lawmakers (CALI is a huge Democratic State) the answer she got was "Move to Texas" honest to god! That is how Fucking ridiculous YOUR Lawmakers are! So let's go for more gun control and eliminate a sport and eliminate someone's Olympic Dreams! ------------------------------ An Adoptee of Grumpy's Family of Wayward F-tards and Midgets. ------------------------------ | ||||
| Kid Afrika | posted on 06-14-2001 @ 1:35 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.
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| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | The "right to bear arms" line was written at time when guns were essential to human survival. Back then, people needed to hunt at times for survival, and the invasion of our country was a constant threat. Nowadays, it's used by everyone as an excuse to carry a gun. If it's done for sport, great, but if you want to carry a gun for the sake of protection, chances are better than not that you'll regret it in a crisis situation. I have friends who used to carry guns, and many of them no longer do, because they ended up in situations where their pulling out a gun when someone was in the process of robbing them created more of a problem than a solution. One person was shot with his own gun, another was pistol-whipped with his, and in the end, they had their guns stolen, along with their money. For every hero story you hear about someone thwarting a robbery with a personal handgun, there are ten other stories of people getting shot or killed with their own guns. Many robbers are ready for anything...you're not. This message was edited by Crash_NYC on 6-14-01 @ 6:32 AM | ||||
| FoundryMusicJoker | posted on 06-14-2001 @ 7:03 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | Personally I couls give a fuck. Joker loves chaos. No one will gimme a gun so I can't say I like or hate'em. I am great at any video games with guns. And why is this topic even here. Who the fuck cares. Since when we become political. Ehhh less fighting more boobs. Ian just like Ted though. I am an American sonofabitch. PS i need some new sigs so if anyone design a kool sick looking sig let me know....Peace joeblstrn@aol.com  check me out on the studio board at http://www.foundrymusic.com | ||||
| The Painter 1/2 a bottle of Jack Daniels... it's a cure-all | posted on 06-14-2001 @ 7:09 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | quote:Don't tell me people put themselves in more danger when they have a gun. People save thier own lives. If a criminal is climbing in your window and sees a 12 guage pointed at him, he's gonna back out real fast.  | ||||
| Unicron | posted on 06-14-2001 @ 7:13 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Mar. 01 | I believe in the gun. I believe it should be used for hunting and protection. People who want the world to be a world without guns are just, in a word, stupid. | ||||
| Lt_Boogaloo | posted on 06-14-2001 @ 8:28 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | Guns save lives. They kill those people/animals that attack you, they kill those things that you can use for food. Guns take lives. They can kill innocent people. Guns don't know any of the morality that people project onto the argument. A gun, at least to me, is a tool. Just like a screwdriver or a Black&Decker cordless drill. I make this comparison because if I were to put a gun against my hand and pull the trigger, I'd injure my hand. If I drove a screwdriver into my hand, I'd injure it as well. The police, people sworn to protect you and your family, carry firearms. Some carry more than others. Does this mean that with more guns available to them, that they are more likely to go on a shooting spree? No, because as I was taught in getting my license, "Guns are an extension of the person. If someone wants to use the gun to take a life, they will. If someone wants to use the gun to save a life they will." I'm not sure if I answered the question. I think it boils down to whomever is squeezing the trigger, and the motives they have for doing so. And on a side note, to the guy who typed in all capital letters that arrows can't penetrate the skull -- have you ever noticed that at the base of your skull, where your spine meets your head, and near the temple, the skull is pretty fragile. A good expanding arrow-head with enough velocity should penetrate. It may not lodge itself into gray matter, but a puncture would be had. -- It's a grid! -- Breasts!! One More Shot! One More Beer!!  ltboogaloo@yahoo.com AIM - ltboogaloo I just adopted IslesBaby00 (6/13) | ||||
| njchica | posted on 06-14-2001 @ 9:09 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Oct. 00 | I have to admit that I'm impressed with the fact that you guys are almost having a rational, intelligent debate. (almost) I have only 2 points.... 1) Gun laws are like sensors on clothes in the mall. They keep honest people honest and they don't stop people who don't adhere to laws anyway. 2) There are some wackos who don't eat meat AND they don't eat plants either b/c they don't believe in killing things. These idiots eat fruit, honey, milk, etc... Things that can be obtained from plants and animals without hurting anything. Obviously not a well-balanced or healthy diet. | ||||
| Arthur Dent | posted on 06-14-2001 @ 9:34 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Nov. 00 | One point that really annoys me is when poeple say "Oh, but the poor animal feels so much pain." Well, what do you think hurts more, being shit once throught the chest, twitching for a little and then dieing, or being chased down by a pack of wolves nipping at your legs before being brought down and having your throat ripped out by their teeth. Being city folk, we are very disconnected from nature. We see postcards and pictures and think "Wow nature is beutiful" without acknowledging that nature is also cruel, viscious and remorseless. We are NOT above nature. All you have to do is watch the evening news to figure that out. And doesn't anybody realize that the "I couldn't bring myself to shoot an animal, but I'll shoot another person" is really twisted?  "I don't read books, but I have friends who do." -Presidential Candidate George W. Bush "I get to go to lots of overseas places, like Canada." - Britney Spears | ||||
| Lt_Boogaloo | posted on 06-14-2001 @ 9:40 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | Note, I've never actually been "shit" through the chest, but it sounds messy. Yes, Nature is more cruel than the urban society we live in. Nature relies on instincts and brutality, in the city you're using a higher set of perceptions and skills. I have never understood the "animal feels so much pain" argument. If you are killing an animal to feed your family, do you really care if the animal is hurt? If a bear is mauling you, and you gouge out its eye to save your life, are you going to wonder if the bear is hurt? No, you're lucky you're not food for Gentle Ben. Maybe the urban existance has perverted our relationship to nature. When we place more concern on the feelings of an animal (whether its a foodstuff or a predator) we are lessening our survival instincts should we ever need to call on them. -- It's a grid! -- Breasts!! One More Shot! One More Beer!! ltboogaloo@yahoo.com AIM - ltboogaloo I just adopted IslesBaby00 (6/13) | ||||
| allyourbasearebelongtous | posted on 06-14-2001 @ 10:30 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Apr. 01 | quote: Wrong! Read it again: Amendment 2 states: "A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed" No where in that sentence is the state granted ANYTHING! quote: Read the amendment again! It says NOTHING about FOREIGN invaders. It simply states "the security of a free State", which was more geared towards domestic enemies, such as our own government. Look at countries like Cuba, where the common citizen isn't allowed to own a firearm. Do you honesty think Castro wold be in power today if the common citizen was allowed to own a gun? One of the first things Adolf Hitler did when he came to power was to collect all privately owned firearms so his goverment could not be overthrown. There are a lot of individuals who own guns in this country that shouldn't. They don't know how to safely store and use them. These are the assholes that give guns to kids who go shoot up schools. I would be all for legislation that would require gun owners to take a manditory safety course within 1 month of their gun purchase. May states require you to take a safety course before they will let you purcahse a hunting license. This type of legislation wouldn't prevent them from purchasing a firearm, but it would requre them to take a safety class within a designated time or face a very stiff fine, or possibly jail time/community service. Every gun store I have purchased a firearm from has included a free safety course and literature on how to properly take care of and treat a firearm. One even gave me a free weekly membership to a shooting range, which included private instruction on sigiting in my rifle. I later joined the club and joined their target shooting league. It is a proven fact that states with "right to carry laws" have lower crime rates. A criminal is far less likely to use a gun when they know there is a possibility their intended victim is armed. allyourbasearebelongtous  | ||||
| THEHAMMERHEADSHARK | posted on 06-14-2001 @ 11:24 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jun. 01 | guns are good for hunting and protection of our homes and buisness but not for road rage and other strupid crap like that. HAMMERHEADSHARK MAN NY VIA MASS | ||||
| Jonesin | posted on 06-14-2001 @ 11:30 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Oct. 00 | The only point I have tried to make in this thread is that no problem gets solved by simply passing more laws. I personally know a convicted fellon (two times in jail) that got caught for DWI number 5 with a loaded .45 cal. revolver in the back seat in New Canaan Ct. Guess what he got. Try 1 year in jail. How does that solve problems? If they passed a law saying that driving drunk was a felony with a 5 year mandatory sentence, would it work if every time they caught a drunk driver they fined them $10.00 and let them go? No it wouldn't. Enforcement of the laws on the books is the only way to go. I have a NY target permit. It cost $125.00, took 10 months to get, and I had to be fingerprinted in triplicate, submit 4 written signed notarized referances (mine were all from cops), take a safety course, and have 2 FBI background checks done. All just to get permission to take my gun (in the trunk of my car, unloaded with the ammo in another place in the car) to and from the range! If you want me to believe that by making it harder for me to get a gun that it will lower the crime rate, you are just plain wrong. By the way, Shavinbush, I have a .40 Sig Sauer too(P229)...love the thing. Damn the torpedo's, bite the bullet, go for the gusto, that's what I always say!!! Oh wait...that was someone else. Never mind. This message was edited by Jonesin on 6-14-01 @ 11:43 AM | ||||
| ShavinBush | posted on 06-14-2001 @ 2:41 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | jonesin - Nice choice! I chose the 229 over the 228 because I preferred the added weight of the Nickle-Plating as opposed to the Matte Black finish! I bought my GLOCK for weight (for carry), I bought my SIG for Accuracy! Nothin' beats the Sig! ------------------------------ An Adoptee of Grumpy's Family of Wayward F-tards and Midgets. ------------------------------ | ||||
| Jonesin | posted on 06-14-2001 @ 3:11 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Oct. 00 | I've always wanted to shoot a Glock, but never had a chance. I almost bought one, but I didn't like the fact that you can't see the hammer. On a Sig (as you well know) there is a decocking lever, so you know when the hammer is back. I really want to test out a Glock though...... Damn the torpedo's, bite the bullet, go for the gusto, that's what I always say!!! Oh wait...that was someone else. Never mind. | ||||
| Jonesin | posted on 06-14-2001 @ 3:21 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Oct. 00 | As an engineering student at Virginia Tech (30 years old from NY going for a masters degree) this is a beautiful piece of machinery. http://www.gunnery.net/sig/229.gif Damn the torpedo's, bite the bullet, go for the gusto, that's what I always say!!! Oh wait...that was someone else. Never mind This message was edited by Jonesin on 6-14-01 @ 3:51 PM | ||||
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