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adolescentmasturbator
posted on 08-14-2001 @ 9:23 PM      
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Even though that I completely am disgusted with the PLO it pales in comparison to the State Terrorism of Israel. Israel has a human rights record comparable to apartheid-era south africa. When you get treated like shit you lash out in the wrong way. Some of the blatant racism towards palestinians is disturbing. Everyone talks about how the Palestinians are anti-semitic but I was watching CNN one day and some teen israeli said "I can't wait till all the Palestinians are gone." Naturally this coming from a Jewish person is shocking to want to give exodus to a people for the acts of the few. I have seen on tv peaceful palestinian protestors being shoved by Israeli police. This fosters a real bad mentality. These mortar attacks that supposedly kill terrorist holdings end up killing mostly civilians.



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posted on 08-14-2001 @ 9:36 PM      
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To be honest I dont know much on this topic. but I think the our government has to put a stop to this shit. These people are killing each other over land. If we dont stop this now these people are still going to kill civilians . -Vinny

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posted on 08-14-2001 @ 9:49 PM      
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Psst vinny the US government kills civilians for no good reason too.



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posted on 08-14-2001 @ 11:04 PM      
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I was watching CNN one day and some teen Israeli said "I can't wait until the Palestinians are gone"


maybe you should have kept your tv on a little more to see that the palestinians say the same thing. obviously the israelis don't want the palestinians in their land and vis versa. that's how enemies think. and just a side note, cnn is and always has been very biased against israel an jews, especially durring the gulf war. why should they be any different now?

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posted on 08-14-2001 @ 11:12 PM      
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This thread s/b in "Off Topic," but what the hell...

My friend, who is a nut for absolute decisions, thinks a one-month warning should be issued by the U.N., European Union and whatever other organization there is, that the State of Israel will be irradiated for the next 50,000 years and for those who want to stay for their cause, a memorial will be erected on the perimeter of the nucelar contamination.

It is like two children fighting over the same toy - take the toy away from both of them, because neither will back down.

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posted on 08-14-2001 @ 11:12 PM      
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In addition to this, Arafat is no longer involved with terrorist activities--he sanctions nothing


this is one of the most ignorant naive statements i a have ever read.
as to the innocence of the palestinians, arafat has gone on the record many times saying that the palestinians will never accept peace until israel is destroyed.

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posted on 08-15-2001 @ 12:09 AM      
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I agree but Israel is portrayed as the victim a lot of the time and then some people turn around and say I can't wait till the Palestinians are gone. Sounds like the agressor to me. Of course the Palestinians say the same thing. I guess when it comes to it both sides are wrong but Palestinians are definitely the more abused side.



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posted on 08-15-2001 @ 12:22 AM      
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Palestinians are definitely the more abused side


bushwa. they are the agressors. if the terrorism stopped the israelis would have no reason to use force. the palestinians reap what they sow.

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posted on 08-15-2001 @ 12:24 AM      
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nobody has said israel was right. but i think that israel has tried to make it more of a military thing, bombing factories and military outlets, and the palestinians are bombing civilians in crowded markets and coffee shops. israel has done bad things too, but the palestinians have been much more bloodthisty and agressive


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posted on 08-15-2001 @ 1:02 AM      
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Actually a lot of the Israeil attacks have been concentrated in areas with civilians. A lot of civilians have been killed because of Israel and since Israel has a lot more power it can do more damage.



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posted on 08-15-2001 @ 1:15 AM      
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Actually a lot of the Israeil attacks have been concentrated in areas with civilians. A lot of civilians have been killed because of Israel and since Israel has a lot more power it can do more damage.


this is like the romper room version of the situation.

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posted on 08-15-2001 @ 1:23 AM      
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Nah, I just think it's hypocritical to condemn a terrorist attack then turn around and kill civilians.



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posted on 08-15-2001 @ 3:34 AM      
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quote:

where in the hell is a mod when you need one?
My thoughts exactly NP. Why is this topic in GD? Double standard I say. Being Jewish I can say that. :)




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posted on 08-15-2001 @ 6:42 AM      
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then some people turn around and
say I can't wait till the Palestinians are gone. Sounds like the agressor to me.

You said yourself, this is one teenage girl. You condemn Isreal as the aggressor because of one teenage girl. That makes no sense. Civilians die on both sides. Are suicide bombers, and car bombs directed at military in Isreal? NO, they ar not. Isreal is our only real friend in the Mid East. The Arab coutries hate us. We are the Great Satan to them. Our very way of life is abhorrent to Muslims.



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posted on 08-15-2001 @ 7:04 AM      
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Two of my ex-girlfriends and one of my
best-friends were born & raised in Tel Aviv. What
many people in the US don't realize is that Israel
is geographically only about twice the size of New
Jersey, if that. Land (especially land that's
mentioned in the bible) is the most financially
and spiritually valuable commodity in that region.
Some people are willing to give their first-born
child for their land. Would you be willing to
sacrifice your baby for the land occupied by your
front lawn? No. Well, the Israelies and the
Palestinians are, because it means that much to
them. I don't mean to belittle this struggle with
such a comparison, but that is the severity that
many of us land-spoiled US citizens simply do not
realize. The Israelis are fucked for thier stated
Biblical self-entitlement and arrogance, and the
Palestinians are equally fucked for their
unwillingness to compromise and for being the
primary catalyst of terrorism throughout all of
this. It's all a matter of pride in the end, and
when it all breaks down to brass tacks, we're
dealing with gangland South Central Los Angeles,
with no end to the violence in sight. That's all
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JohnSlack
posted on 08-15-2001 @ 8:32 AM      
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Please Understand, I do not support the PLO. I think the bombings are acts of cowardice. That said, Israel's actions are very much in the wrong as well, and It sickens me to hear anyone trumpet Israel as a victim.

This article is by an american, non-arab journalist from wisconsin:
quote:


And by our silence, we condone Israel's own atrocities against the Palestinian people. The Israeli death toll from the current 10-month conflict is around 140. In the same period, more than 550 Palestinians have been killed. As with the Israeli deaths, many of the dead Palestinians were civilians who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

That's right. Middle East terrorism goes both ways.

Aweek ago Monday, I visited a desert community of about 75 cave-dwelling shepherds near the West Bank town of Yatta. Only two weeks before, the Israeli Defense Forces had bulldozed every one of the community's centuries-old caves, burying clothing, cars and even live sheep under tons of rock. When the Red Cross supplied emergency tents to the families, the Israelis returned with their heavy machinery and buried those as well.

An elderly shepherd named Jaber led me from crumbled cave to crumbled cave. It was early in the afternoon, a time when most Middle Easterners stay indoors or under a canopy. But Jaber and I had no choice. The entrances to the caves were blocked by jagged stones, crumpled cars and torn tents. His face glowed a deep pink from days on end of living under the desert sun with almost no access to shade.

He led me past his surviving goats and sheep, several of whom were gnawing on a fallen tree, to the cave where he had kept them at night and during the harsher parts of day. Through a gap in the stones, we could see buried containers of feed. "Everything is in there," he said in Arabic. "I have no food to give them."

The Israeli government has justified the cave demolitions, saying that they were built without the required construction permits. Israel has used this process to block virtually all Palestinian construction - schools, homes, you name it - on these lands.

And it regularly demolishes structures that predate the 1967 permit law in order to make way for Israeli colonies in the West Bank that are illegal under international law. In its occupation of the Palestinian territories, Israel continuously violates the Fourth Geneva Convention, which outlaws attacks against civilians and forbids permanent settlements by any nation outside of its boundaries, even though Israel itself pushed for this convention and signed onto it.

These home demolitions are only one part of Israel's ongoing policy of harassing, impoverishing, torturing and killing Palestinian civilians in an effort to force them to flee their homeland.

Take the two children and several bystanders who were killed as "collateral damage" during the Israeli attack two weeks ago in Nablus. Or the Palestinian pacifist, Isaac Saada, who was murdered by the Israeli Defense Forces last month in Bethlehem. Or my Palestinian friend who was stopped by an Israeli security officer as he drove on an ostensibly Palestinian-controlled road, ordered out of his car, beaten and threatened with death. Or my encounter early last week with a group of Israeli soldiers who surrounded my group's Palestinian taxi drivers and calmly discussed kidnapping and torturing them, forgetting that the Israeli peace activists among us would understand Hebrew.

The policy of terror is working. Jacob, a Palestinian friend of mine who lives in Beit Jala, a village just outside of Bethlehem, recently told me of his plans to move to Bolivia. The tourist-dependent Bethlehem economy has crashed since the beginning of this intifada.

"There's no work," he told me. "And I'm sick of this shooting." He waved his hand in the direction of Gilo, a walled Israeli settlement that stands like a fortress on a nearby hill. Besides housing Israelis, Gilo holds a military outpost that regularly barrages Bethlehem and its surrounding villages with shells and machine gun fire.

The night before, Jacob and I had huddled in a corner room of the house with several other friends as Israeli bullets zipped through the hallway and burst holes in the gas and water tanks on the roof.

Israel claimed that the shelling was in response to Palestinian gunfire. If so, why did the Israeli Defense Forces blanket residential areas with bombs and bullets, rather than targeting the handful of gunmen who were acting in opposition to the majority will of Beit Jala residents?

The Israeli government is as guilty as Palestinian military groups of waging war against civilians. But unlike Hamas or Islamic Jihad, it is using U.S. taxpayers' money to do so - to the tune of $2.23 billion in military aid a year.




That last sentence shows my whole problem with the situation. Neither side is deserving of US aid. I don't want my hard-earned tax dollars funding a war in the middle east.



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posted on 08-15-2001 @ 8:54 AM      
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Actually a lot of the Israeli attacks have been in areas with civilians. A lot f civilians have been killed because of Israel


um am, you might want to look up the facts before you post. yes it's true that israel is responding to terrorist organizations where civilians live. however, the paelstinians strategically place "innocent" children in the front lines, so when the israelis return fire, the children are killed. it's unfortunate, but this is how much the palestinians value life.
another thing, you can NEVER have a "peace for land" treaty that will work, when the people that you're dealing with have no official claims to the land. the palestinians lost their land in war, i said it before, what other nation that lost their land in war, ever asked for it back, and got it??????? NONE

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posted on 08-15-2001 @ 9:06 AM      
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We are living in the 21st Century, this type of petty shit have got to stop. Someone needs to step in and take away the toys from these infants(Israel & Palistine) and tell them to share the whole Country. IF they don't like it TO BAD. Kick everybody out and make the whole country a park. Enough of this shit has gone on. Enough lives have been lost over someting as stupid as a religious war or cause(whatever you want to call it). These people both live in the US and don't kill each other ( at least I haven't read about anything).

It's time for someone to stand up and say to them "GROW THE FUCK UP AND PLAY NICE TOGETHER". God doesn't want his creations killing each other. They are fighting AND KILLING each other for attention from the same God.

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posted on 08-15-2001 @ 9:22 AM      
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Fucking shit!!!!! I just typed a two page response and because it took so long to type, my log-in timed out and I lost the whole thing!!! And now I don't have the time to re-tyoe it!!!

Maybe I'll have time tonight.

By the way, NICE!!! I love a good debate. Breath some life back into the board.


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posted on 08-15-2001 @ 9:32 AM      
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FUCK YOU Dent. I just picked up HGTTG because you said it help you out when you took things too serious and you go ahead and pull this shit: a debate on a seriously rooted beliefs?









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posted on 08-15-2001 @ 9:33 AM      
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quote:

during the last peace meetings the israelis offered a package of concessions that almost completely matched arafats demands. he then turned it down and started his terrorism campaign again. he realizes that if there is peace with the israelis he becomes redundant. he will not allow that. every israeli strike is merely a retaliation for terroris attacks. as an israeli soldier once said, we must win every battle, lose one and israel is gone.

Is that a useful post by Apricot? Well I'll be damned. But seriously, the Jews are a race that has almost never been safe in their entire history. All oppressed races have had times of prosperity, except for the Jews.

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posted on 08-15-2001 @ 9:39 AM      
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Come on, you expect anyone with any intelligence to buy that? We are not that nieve. Palestinians are not responsible for all the death on both sides, thats just blind allegience to Israel.

Here is a nation who lost their land in a war, and got it back - kuwait. Why did the US step in? Oil. If Palestinians were selling us crude oil for a dollar a barrel, trust me, the US government would be singing a different tune. Thats my point, I have no problem with the israelis or palestinians fighting for what they believe in, but the USA has no place in it.



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posted on 08-15-2001 @ 9:53 AM      
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All oppressed races have had times of prosperity, except for the Jews.



Except the blacks/African Americans, the Hispanics, the gays, ......

I don't know.... I think Jews are doing pretty good in NYC. It's not as big as Israel, but you got Koch elected.







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posted on 08-15-2001 @ 9:58 AM      
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I think they have thrived very well as a people. They have survived for many years without a country. They had times of prosperity as merchants throughout the middle ages. But they thrived in other peoples homelands, and they were different.....so unfortunately when the spoils of countries went bad they served as excellent scapegoats.......
Now lets talk Armenian's......there is a group that has suffered and gets no PR for it.

Snoteater
posted on 08-15-2001 @ 10:00 AM      
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I agree with Sloats. Just look at the Syrian jews in Monmouth County.

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