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| AmericanPsycho | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 10:08 AM |    | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00  | GOOD GOD! Am I still on an Opie and Anthony message board? Talk about off-topic.  | ||||
| PeterDragon | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 11:09 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | So many issues, so little time.... a) let's not forget there are many other world spots still in turmoil - Northern Ireland, Ruwanda, Croatia, etc. b) Cunt-Twat - Maybe I should have been more explicit, but my point was no one who onlyhas lived here could truly understand. Those of us who know people who have lived there have some idea, but even that wouldn't match actually being there. c) Jewish history is not that jews haven't flourished at any time; It is that at any time in history jews feel it could all be taken away. Romans, Persians, Spain, Russia, Germany, Iran, etc. Jews however aren't looking for sympathy; it has just lead to a feeling that they have to do everything themselves. Germany for example, had the terrorists from the '72 Olympics in their sites, and let them get away, partially because of their screw ups, and partially because of Germany trying to negotiate not to be future PLO target (see however Luftansa). Contrast this with the raid on Entebee (sp?). Israel buys military equipment from any country, yet insists on being able to fix it all themselves because they feel that they can't count on other countries. I'm putting this not to justify anything, but to explain a little psycology d) there is prejudice throughout the world, not just the middle east. That is not the point. Ask Israeli jews of Sephardic heritage if they are not discriminated against by Israeli jews of European descent. Quoting an Israeli saying he hates Palestinians when he sees terrorist activities everyday doesn't say much. e) There are moderates/liberals in Israel regarding peace, just as there are hard liners. Every time a suicide bomber appears on the news, it strenghtens the hardline position, just as here in the US when the news shows US marines blown up in Lebanon it strenthens the Hawks here. There is a reason this has gone on so long. Peace cannot be imposed by outsiders. Only visionaries on each side can help the situation, and we all saw what happened to Sadat and Begin.  | ||||
| dirtydingusmagee | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 11:49 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 01 | Personally,I don't care, if in this 1000's year old orgy of bloodlust,they all murder each other. What I care about,is the retarded,ass-kissing politicians in this country who might tie the fate of the USA to the fate of Israel,in order to gain support from their Jewish constituents.The founders of this nation clearly stated that the fate of the USA should be tied to NO OTHER NATION.Period.I think Jefferson,Adams,Monroe,et al knew more about this type thing than today's "intellectuals"(better,"politically indoctrinated hacks") would give them credit for. The mess over there could turn into a worldwide thing real fast,with the Arab nations going against Israel,then the USA stepping in with Israel,then Russia with the Arabs.Do you want to die in/for the desert? Not me.If we don't get in,there is no worldwide conflagration,period. War itself probably is just a human species-specific form of population control,anyway.Let people in other countries control the world population.Just as Opie and Anthony are an "Island",let the USA be an "Island";free from 1race/2race and 1religion/2religion murder... Anyone in this country who puts the priorities of their ancestral country before the priorities of the USA SHOULD FUCKING MOVE THERE! | ||||
| Sloatsburgh | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 11:56 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Good God, now the Italians are gonna start bitching.  220, 221, whatever it takes. Showering Carmine with paternal love. | ||||
| Arthur Dent | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 12:26 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Nov. 00 | Sloats, you have no idea how entertaining I find these debates. As for this : "self-proclaimed most persecuted race " Yes, I was exaggerating to get a reaction. But the point has been made already, jews aren't the only people to be persecuted, despite what extremists would have you believe. Try mentioning the other 4 million non-jews who died during the hollocaust and the extremists act like your belitteling their suffering by mentioning someone elses. Oh, and then theirs: quote: Answer: Isreal! Forget that they got kicked out by the ROMANS in 70 A.D.? As for never being peace in the Middle East, that's bull. Historically, Arabs have been known as a very hospitable and accepting toward all "People of the Book" as they refer to christians and jews. The Crusades were completely unnecessary because jews and christians were openly welcomed to visit and even live in the Holy Land for centuries. It's because they feel Isreal STOLE that land with the help and FUNDING of the U.S. and the U.N. that terrorist groups and violence have occurred. There have been a lot of really good points made here. Very nice debate.  A much wittier reply came to mind immediately after I clicked the 'Send' button. A Life? Cool! Where can I download one of those from? BTW, FWIW, IMHO, AFAIK, yes. OTOH, AAMOF, maybe not. YMMV. | ||||
| Silvio Dante | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 12:27 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 00 | There is a way for the US to stop this. Bush should ask for a billion dollars to fund newsstands, falafel stands, and taxis throughout the US. Then other cities can experience the joys of Manhattan and the Palestinians will have a place to go. Robin's ass is so fat, her blood type is Ragu.  | ||||
| NewYorkDragons80 | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 12:43 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Nov. 00 | quote: Blacks and hispanics have their respective homelands. Up until 50 years ago, Jews did not. In their own countries the blacks and hispanics had prosperity until (And I don't want to sound like Farakhan here) Europeans showed up. (It's a good thing I'm Irish so I have no guilt about slavery.) Homosexuality is a choice of lifestyle, so I don't see it as a race. The New York Dragons-10,000 fans a game. No need for my help. | ||||
| mrbungle | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 12:43 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 01 | Okay...I think we can all agree that the rest of the world is fucked up...every single day there's a new terrorist act in another country...I feel terrible that so many people are being killed for no reason other than the fact that no one wants to give an inch to the others... Who I don't feel bad for are the idiots who decide to vacation in these countries and get themselves killed...you're walking into a warzone! How about sending your relatives the plane tickets you were going to buy? It's the same cash...and I'm sure they'd be excited as hell to see the U.S. and YOU WON'T BE KILLED IN A WAR THAT ISN'T ENDING!!!!! Death that needs not happen is not an honorable death.  It's not funny, my ass is on fire.... Thanks to the lovely Jolene for my sig pic... It's always funny until someone gets hurt, And then it's just hilarious!!! | ||||
| AmericanPsycho | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 1:51 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00 | Easy solution = genocide of everyone in the entire region. That'll shut 'em up. On a lighter note, I'll remember these 3 pages of posts of non-OandA material next time someone bitches at someone else for not posting in off topic. Harmony at oa.com | ||||
| Mc_Cain_GookKilla | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 3:34 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jul. 01 | "Except the blacks/African Americans, the Hispanics, the gays, ...... " I never knew being gay was a race. Oh boy it looks like someone has reading pro palistian liberal propaganda. Lastime I checked there was only 1 race. The human race. Everything else is just skin color. Lines on a map and skin color does not make you your own special own race. | ||||
| Ashley the Goer | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 3:35 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Aug. 01 | quote: NYD, where is the Christian homeland? I believe in homeland you mean a place (country) that someone can trace their ancestry back to. Being Jewish is a religion, not a nationality. | ||||
| PeterDragon | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 3:47 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Jewish Homeland, while located in a historical place of culture, mostly means a place guaranteed to ensure self-rule. Note: Historically freedom of religion is not something promoted in Islamic and Catholic run countries. Mostly only minorities in any particular place ask for freedom. Even in this country, the original idea was freedom for puritans, not everyone else. Discounting radicals on both sides, the problem isn't that Israel doesn't want arabs in its country, as much as they both want to rule. Jerusalem is a significant bone of contention. Note: under Israelis, all religions are welcome in Jerusalem, which wasn't true before 1967. Israel is not only supported by the US because of Jewish voters; it is (and has been ) the only reliable US ally in an area filled with Qaddafis and Husseins. | ||||
| PeterDragon | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 3:47 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | :: weeps ashamedly:: sorry, 1st double post :( This message was edited by PeterDragon on 8-15-01 @ 4:05 PM | ||||
| attila | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 4:32 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | The fighting between the Isrealis and the Palestinians WILL NEVER END.The major problem that comes between them is the terrorist groups Hamas, Hezbollah, The Islamic Jihad. And don't forget Osama Bin laden, who supplies these groups with weapons and money. Bin Laden wants a worldwide brotherhood of Musilm states and the Jews being in the middle of it occupying "Palestine" doesn't fit.All of these groups have chemical, biological,and nuclear weapons that in was the direct fault of the former Soviet Union.The Russians Wanted too badly to remain the 1st power of the world. You can thank Nikita Kruschev for supplying Syria( and not to forget Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq,and Lebanon) the weapons in the attack on Isreal in 1967.The suicide bombers add more to this vicious cycle and they are a bunch of cocksucking pieces of shit who should be executed one by one. But none of this will end and this cycle of violence and tragedy will continue. Sweet Merciful Crap! | ||||
| ThatTerribleAwfulNegro | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 4:47 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | Well, obviously- this is a sensitive, hot-potato topic that alot of people will respond to- heritage/ entrenched belief first- on either side and not exactly be objective- there's blood involved! but since i'm neither palestinian or jewish (obviously) -not some anti-semitic race supremacist and not holding a grudge against palestinians for not picking me up when i try and hail a cab (that was a joke- we ALL know that only the Saudi's & Paki's drive cabs :) )- i feel that i can comment freely on the matter with some degree of disinterest and objectivity. (NOTTT that other's can't!) ...and I think it's time we call A Spade A Spade!!! (??? did I just say that ???) the whole history here is one of the most involved, protracted, convoluted geo-political-religious territory disputes known- (capt. obvious says, "No SHIT!") i'd venture to say- but these are my 2 pennies on the issue (and I'm also shocked that this hasn't been moved to OT yet!). -the whole modern situation began not in the middle east- but in Europe and World War 1. -Through The League of Nations, Britain and France split up the Arab World after World War 1 (1919) (agreeing to this in the Sykes-Picot Agreement) -Britain already announces it's sympathies to the zionist effort for jewish settlement in palestine(1917 Balfour Declaration) for mostly geo-political reasons- Palestine's proximity to the Suez canal. -Britain basically reversed its earlier support for a unified arab kingdom. (a documented policy that it held for the early part of WW 1) -after world war 2- the influx of jewish settlers to palestine was dramatically increased- for obvious reasons! Tensions between the indigenous palestinians and the new settlers also dramatically increased. -the UN Commission releases it's famous resolution 181- dividing Palestine into two territories- one jewish, one palestinian- with Jerusalem as an international, demilitarized regime- this is summarily rejected as further colonialist, imperialist chess-board type tactics by all the major arab nations- the 1948 war of indepedence results-many other wars as well (6 day war, et al, during which israel doubles its size). bottom line: BOTH SIDES share comparable blame- along with the outside forces that treat people and land like literal pawns on a chess board! when organizations like HAMAS and HEZBOLLAH conduct campaigns of terrorism- like it or not- that doesn't justify the GOVERNMENT of Israel to start blowing up palestinian territories willy-nilly. or to arrest and assasinate-palestinians they SUSPECT to be terrorists! the PLO is officially separate from Hamas and the rest. attacks by these groups can't blanketly be labeled as 'state-sponsored' terrorism! but if a GOVERMENT attacks another country-repeatedly killing civilians- that indeed is 'state-sponsored' terrorism-in my opinion. the analogy here is if some fringe groups out of japan bombed pearl harbor- and the then empire of japan- disavowed all knowledge-vowing to arrest all culpable, etc etc-the US would NOT have then been justified in declaring war against the government and people of japan- for the attacks of rogue-extremist elements WITHIN japan. i'm neither liberal nor ultra-conservative- but I do feel the oppression of palestinians exists and that their complaints hold water. TERRORISM is not the answer to oppression! But the Mass-Slaughter of civilians by the government of Israel is not a legitimate response to the private campaigns of terrorism against the Israeli state. to sum up: THE MAN SHOOTING BULLETS ALWAYS BEATS THE MAN THROWING STONES! and the next palestinian/arab cabdriver I see- STILL will pass right by me and NOT pick me up!  | ||||
| JohnSlack | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 5:57 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | Well said, negro. Who said darkies aren't good for anything? ::ding:: "Philly: It's Camden - with a bell." - Jim Norton | ||||
| 1.2 Niggawatts | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 6:41 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 01 | ::clap clap clap clap clap:: Can we kill this string now / start it again in Off-Topic?  | ||||
| CriticsLoveSnatch i know better than to ask for a status from you mean ol' mods I shall call him mini-FTL | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 6:55 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | There will not be peace in the middle east in my lifetime. There will not be peace in the middle east in my children's lifetime. Arabs and Israelis will continue to fight until one of them doesn't exist anymore. they both are wrong, and nobody is right. and also the isrealis fucked up in 1947. they were offered an island off of great britain or an island in the carribean. they refused, asking for "the promised land" in the middle of a god damn desert. now they are locked in wars until one group is dead.  Too much from the wounded But I see, See through it all See through, And see you. Anyone looking to be adopted IM me at Jemo123 This message was edited by CriticsLoveSnatch on 8-15-01 @ 6:56 PM | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 8:08 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: I agree with you on your first point. But we cannot support a government that commits state terrorism just so we can have strategic power in the area. The US actually had a Muslim ally. Remember Iran before the 1979 Revolution? The US helped torture Iranian dissidents but I guess that was ok because it helped your strategic interests? quote: I think that is ironic how when Israelis die it is terrorism but when Palestinian children are killed they are "placed" there. quote: Actually the Ancient Persians helped free the Jews from Babylon. King Xerxes had a Jewish wife. So anti-semitism flows with the time. Although the terrorist attacks by Palestine are unjustifiable you cannot forget that the US government has done the same thing consistently on a grander scale yet you don't display discontent with the US policy? To me that sounds more like Anti-Palestinian sentiment than Anti-Terrorist sentiment. There are obviously other reasons for this.  Resident Board Socialist Email me here IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought into the International | ||||
| dirtydingusmagee | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 10:04 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 01 | So,all you history buffs,answer the hypothetical question-(I bet this is the preferred scenario in think tanks all over right now)The Arab Nations wage war on Israel with huge amounts of conventional forces; Israel is losing,yet reluctant to use their nukes for fear of reprisal in kind:What does the USA do? Unless you can figure winning strategy,all the "this happened in 1947"crap ain't worth shit. | ||||
| Graffix Rulz | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 10:16 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 00 | why the hell is this in G D thought G D was about the damn Opie and Anthony show?! "My girlfreinds mom still hasent been born!" | ||||
| ThatTerribleAwfulNegro | posted on 08-15-2001 @ 10:27 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | First of All, The State of Israel isn't afraid to utilize nuclear weaponry in the least!!! and EVERYBODY knows this! That is precisely why you haven't seen the entire league of Arab Nations rise unitedly against Israel since the six-day war. On top of that -certain countries are kept with amenable leaders in place- (e.g., Mubarrak in Egypt, etc). Were the arab nations to attempt to rise againt Israel in concert- not only would there be nuclear reprisal from ISRAEL- but the United Stated, Britain, France, Italy and many other western powers would unite with Israel and launch full-scale war against the arab league ....what you are talking about, my friend, is WORLD WAR III (oooooooooohhhh..spooky music, vincent price laughter!!) | ||||
| The Painter 1/2 a bottle of Jack Daniels... it's a cure-all | posted on 08-16-2001 @ 6:46 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | quote:Holly shit, AM agreed with me. Maybe peace in the Middle East IS possible.  | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 08-16-2001 @ 7:01 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: Uh on I think I have to change my opinion to completely disagree with you. Resident Board Socialist Email me here IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought into the International | ||||
| The Painter 1/2 a bottle of Jack Daniels... it's a cure-all | posted on 08-16-2001 @ 7:14 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | LOL. Dick:) | ||||
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