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FANDICK	posted on 07-16-2001 @ 2:28 AM
Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00	Well, I don't really know where to start, so this long ass thread will probably be pretty sporatic. Please bear with me. I have been a die hard Stern fan since '92, and I've come to a number of conclusions by listening to both shows.(O & A for about three months now)I have been both impressed, and disappointed. While lurking around both boards and talking with real fans I've noticed one thing in particular, Howard has lost some of his fire, O & A are hot as shit, and both shows are very entertaining. Don't get me wrong, Howard invented this style and format of radio, no question about it. Howard was the ONLY one doing this type of show in the beginning. Nobody else came up with the idea. Did he invent breathing, NO! But he did create the landscape of radio as it is today in almost every market in America, yes! The same format that O & A use today. Undisputed. Sadly, with the loss of Billy West, his sub par movie, (in my opinion was funny, but not up to Howard standards at the time)the loss of his wife, going WAY too Hollywood, and most recently the departure of Jackie Martling, Howard has lost the edge. I think he really believes he can do it on his own. He can't. O & A interact with their fans, the comedians they have on, and people in general much better than Howard. He is too egomaniacal. I admit that success will have a great impact on this disposition, but you have to know when to pull in the reigns. Howard does not. In reguards to the gag order, I was utterly embarrased to hear that the man who would always take on all comers would stoop to such a level. It was childlike flexing of muscle, but you have to understand his point. He BUILT Infinity Broadcasting. His revenue is through the roof, ratings slide or not, and he feels disrespected by O & A. It all started with them crashing the Son of the Beach press conference. Why did they do that? It was like they were nipping at his heels for no reason. Then the concert they announced knowing that Howard was supposed to announce it the next day. (I mean Christ, the guy has earned SOME priveleges hasn't he?) Then with the divorce. Now I know that O & A discuss events in the news, but don't you think that it was another attempt to piss off Howard?! So many DJs have gotten famous off of Howard's name. Most recently, MANQUEER. I know you all know him, he wouldn't have even gotten syndicated if not for Howard mentioning him and his doctored phone call. (For those of you that have heard him you know what I mean) It jump starts your career when you mention, or get into a fight with Howard. O & A aren't stupid,they know this. So Howard, admittedly on the air two weeks ago, said that for those reasons, he just had to do something. Add to the fact that he was in contract negotiations, I could see his point, but I still thought it was pussy, being used to the Howard I know. I have to hand it to O & A, they aren't scared one bit. I've heard them say, "Bring it on!" when callers ask why they won't compete with him in the mornings. I really admire them for that. They have some good ideas and they're funny as hell,but they owe it all to Howard. I mean Jesus, Anthony APPEARED on Howard's show doing a Jackie impression to try to win a contest. That was in "95. So if Howard "lost it" in "86, why was he there?! He was working for Opie at the time. Just looking for a little consistancy. Now, let's talk about something else. For O & A to say that they don't copy Howard's format is a joke. For all of the younger listeners out there, Howard created this type of radio. NOBODY was doing what he was doing at the time. I also grew up in Chicago and I can tell you, Steve Dahl wasn't the originator of anything. Howard was doing bits like Godzilla goes to Harlem, and the King Schmaltz Bagel Hour, a good five years before Dahl was even on the air. They worked at the same station in Detroit, and that's where Dahl got his act. He didn't even get any recognition until 1980 for his disco demolition rally and his John Wayne Gacy parody. He would call his wife and kids and there would be so much dead air. He didn't know what to do. Besides, he has admitted that Howard was his influence many times. I don't know who had the very first lesbian on, but Dahl couldn't make it work, and I'm sure Howard had no idea what Steve was doing at the time. (At least not as good of an idea O & A had about Howard in their conception) The thing that's key is that O & A have captured the energy of Howard's show from the early to mid nineties. Anthony's impressions are awesome, but the thing that is lacking is that Howard is such a superior interviewer compared to these two. He is much more of an original thinker, more quick witted, and much more fascinating. This has been what has kept me listening. There is no comparison in these areas. O & A however, are much more in tune with their audience, more down to earth, (in a common guy sense,like Howard used to be) and seem to have more fun at their job than Howard does at this point. If we could combine these shows, Holy Fuck! You've got to know though, that when you get to a certain point of success, it is IMPOSSIBLE to have it new and fresh and like it was, forever. It's inevitable. So many have tried to keep the element of their roots and it's too damn hard. Everything about these people seems to change. It will happen to O & A if they get big enough, trust me. I have much more to say, but being new, I thought I would only inflict so much eye strain at one time. I respect everyone's opinion on this board, some I have issues with, but I still respect them. I had hoped to come here as a die hard Stern fan and a new O & A fan at the same time without hearing people wishing AIDS on me or exclaming Howard sucks! O & A rule! You're an idiot! But, so be it. I'm just trying to find a middle ground in all of this. And by the way, YOUR MUDDA BLOWS! Later.
NJLSTONES	posted on 07-16-2001 @ 2:23 PM
Psychopath Registered: Sep. 00	Face it Hollywood Howie sucks and he's a BIG PUSSY to boot!!!!! He also is a BIG FAG!!!!!!!!!!
mikeWOW I got a staple in my ass and all I got was this status	posted on 07-16-2001 @ 3:47 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00	lets face it. howard turned in to what he hated. o/a WILL NEVER go hollywood "i hate people that dont get it!"
FANDICK	posted on 07-16-2001 @ 4:20 PM
Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00	I didn't mean that they would go Hollywood, I just meant that when you get so big, it's hard to keep it fresh and family like. You have to bow to the system sooner or later.
PeterDragon	posted on 07-18-2001 @ 9:49 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	Anyone who'se listened to O&A long enough would realize that they liked Stern's work. They "grew up" listening to him (among others) on the radio, and they gave him props when he deserved it. Even today, Opie said they had much more to say about Howard, even some good things, but it was cut out. Ant summarized it by saying that all they want is to be able to defend themselves, and have a level playing field. The gag order was one inequity; another was that here in NY WNEW cannot just put on who they want in the morning; Stern has a no-compete clasue with infinity. K-rock however, can program against O&A. Howard did not invent this radio. Imus (among others) did this kind of stuff earlier; Howard took it to another level. Howard has become everything he was against. Stuttering John can go up to Ted Williams and ask if he farted in the catcher's face, but O&A can't "get a sandwich" at Stern's Son of a Beach press conference?
FoundryMusicDoug	posted on 07-18-2001 @ 11:11 PM
Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00	You really want to know the real difference between the OA show and Sterns? It's simple: Callers. On the OA show the callers add to the conversation. This includes jokes, punchlines, putdowns, etc. They know exactly what to say, and then say it. The Stern callers seem more haphazard. When they attempt to add to the conversation all they do is slow it down. I haven't listened in a while, when did OA explain the Sandwich thing. "Now the seasons over, and I feel it gettin' cold. I wish I could take you to some sandy beach road, we'ed never grow old. Ah but baby you know thats just jive, but tonight's bustin' open and.... I'm alive!"~Bruce Springsteen (Thunder Road Est. 1973) Well I got this guitar and I learned how to make it talk
FANDICK	posted on 07-18-2001 @ 11:31 PM
Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00	I agree. Howard's callers USED to be that way. Almost exactly. I personally think that when Howard used to just plunk down a line blindly made for some great stuff. He's become too scripted, like he's just going through the motions at times. He also used to read faxes almost immediately after recieving them, similar to instant feedback. Howard has just lost key element after key element on his show, but at least he took radio further, made an innovation, did his OWN thing. While O & A are great, they are doing variations on a theme. They've come up with some great original stuff, but further? I don't think so.
PeterDragon	posted on 07-19-2001 @ 4:16 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	Doug, the "sandwich" comment goes back to the event. The day after O&A were "asked" to leave, Opie simply said "But I just wanted a sandwich" as a reason for why they were there at the press conference. As for callers, yes, O&A gets great callers, and even the bad callers are funny because they tool on them. But more than that, O&A appreciate/enjoy their listeners. 1) Ant reads & posts here 2) WNEW & Foundry sites 3) Opie constantly saying that they couldn't hire writers to be as good as the phone callers 4) The hanging out & drinking with the listeners at places like Bar 9 & Hooters, etc. 5) The FREE road shows compare this with Howard. Howard shuts down fan web sites, and has admitted he doesn't have a site because he can't make money off of it. Howards road shows all pay, including pay-per views, etc. This message was edited by PeterDragon on 7-19-01 @ 4:24 PM
Filzy Stand up straight Stomach in Shoulders back SOUND OFF!!!	posted on 07-19-2001 @ 8:11 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00	There's quite a few big differences between Stern and O&A... Stern sues his fans for making sites dedicated to him. O&A say thanks. Stern keeps losing his fanbase because of his greed and selfishness. O&A are who they are, two ignorant jackasses who were given a radio show. But, they love to share with their fans, whether it would ba good or bad. Stern rests on his laurels, and is afraid of evolution. O&A keep trying to push the boundaries, and are always trying anything to get attention, even throwing the C-word on live TV. Stern is one man. O&A are two, TWO people. Ying and Yang. And last but not least... Since when was the last time Opie and Anthony sued someone for poking fun at them? Probably never. I'm not dead yet, sorry to roon your hopes! Two, TWO sucessful graduates: whichwaymediumorrare AND Short Hills Mall
funkmaster	posted on 07-27-2001 @ 12:37 PM
Hanger-On Registered: Jul. 01	very well said. same point i was trying to make in my topic.
OVERMAN	posted on 07-29-2001 @ 1:18 AM
Psychopath Registered: Jul. 00	Glad to hear you're coming around, Fandick. Like I said, the show will grow on you, one day you'll like it more than Stern's show and you will slowly start listening to him less and less until you don't listen to him at all. As you know, I was a pretty big Stern fan, but after grueling deprogramming sessions, I've come out of the haze. I don't like listening to music on the radio, so O & A at AAF, while I listened to them far more often than other music shows, were still a music show and I was still primarily a Stern fan. Now? I'll tune in to Howard's show just long enough to hear a balloon knot, gunt, or junk reference and then I have to tune out. It just proves that Howard is has turned into everything he used to goof on. He IS Mancow now, right down to the fake bits w/ guys eating "Glass " and horrible actors bringing in their "dead daughters ." Not that he doesn't still have his moments, but the are rare and only getting rarer, while O & A put on four hours of great radio almost daily. WBCN needs to get it's act together or they need to move out of the way, so O & A can finally return to Boston.
Cunt-Twat No real… its cool to wear childrens Band-Aids. I'm not a Cockblocker, I'm a COCKSUCKER!	posted on 07-29-2001 @ 11:25 AM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	ok fandick, you say that howard has better interviewing skils then o&a, did it ever occur to you that when they usually interview someone, they call it "bad guest day?" i used to listen to howard on my way to school, as did my mother and brother, now, there is not a single stern fan in my house. our conversations turned o&a related. stern is a has been, and you can't dispute that. o&a thanked howard on their demented world cd, it's not that they on't appreciate how far he took radio, it's that he's an ass. let's go met's go!! thanks FN MORON...you know why
FANDICK	posted on 07-29-2001 @ 12:19 PM
Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00	What's up Overman. I thought I'd see you hear after a while. I have to admit, you were right. The boys crack my ass up the way Howard USED to. Though I don't think he'll ever be even close to the level MANQUEER is at, he HAS lost it. It's like he totally forgot how to do the show. After listening to O and A HE sounds like a bad imitator. Though I still consider him an original thinker, find his thoughts fascinating and will always appreciate the way he took radio to it's present level. Though O and A do a lot of original stuff, they haven't taken it further. I don't even know how you do that in this day and age without swearing. Anyway, good to talk to you again. I guess we helped take care of THE QUEER, huh? Last week he just made up an offer he said he got from Infinity. HE JUST MADE IT UP! While I enjoy O&A more than Howard now, I'll always hate THE MANQUEER with everything I've got. I'll be surprised if they resign him.
CriticsLoveSnatch i know better than to ask for a status from you mean ol' mods Emo Fag Emo Fag Emo Fag Emo Fag Emo Fag Emo Fag Emo Fag Emo Fag Emo Fag Emo Fag Emo Fag Emo Fag Emo Fag Emo Fag Emo Fag I shall call him mini-FTL	posted on 07-29-2001 @ 12:33 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00	good points filzy, but you missed one. O&A are "normal people" - anthony comes to the bar to hang with us and sing with joe, and doesn't act all aloof like he's better than us. Howard has this i'm better than you my shit don't stink attitude that comes with selling out and going hollywood. he forgot about the fans, plain and simple. Because I sit here locked inside my head remembering everything you've said Your silence gets us nowhere Gets us nowhere way too fast My adopted Mini-critics are bawkswine and ScubaSteve. 4 weeks and counting until GonzoStyle can have his "I'm finally gone" party
OVERMAN	posted on 07-30-2001 @ 1:52 AM
Psychopath Registered: Jul. 00	Ya, I was exaggerating when I said he was as bad as Mancow. In all honesty, Howard is still far more entertaining than any other morning show, he's just not O & A. I didn't hear the whole show the day you were on, because I was having a little gathering over here, but I did have the show on in the background and I think I heard your call. Did you mention Manqueer? I was listening on and off until about five that day, so I'm pretty sure I heard the whole Howard discussion.
slap nut	posted on 07-31-2001 @ 2:04 AM
Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01	UMMM Howard did Godzila goes to Harlem 5 years before Dahl was on the air?????? UMMM YOUR WRONG WITH THAT ONE. dahl was on the air YEARS before Stern, the disco demolition at Comiskey Park in Chicago was started by DAHL and that was in 1979. YEARS BEFORE HOWARD EVEN STARTED
JohnSlack	posted on 07-31-2001 @ 8:52 AM
Psychopath Registered: May. 01	Its another case of once howard says it enough, people believe it and it becomes 'the truth.' Ponderous. For example: Kindest Regards, Your Name
FANDICK	posted on 07-31-2001 @ 10:46 AM
Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00	ummmm, for you last two, getYOUR facts straight. Howard did that bit in college, COLLEGE! He has played the tape, he's had his old program director on. It was 1975! I grew up in Chicago and know Steve Dahl better than any of you. Before Howard was on the air?! He did his first morning drive show in 1977 in Hartford! Talk about being brainwashed. At least I don't change dates in history. I'd been getting good feedback until you two showed up with YOUR misinformation. After all I.ve said in this thread, you two still say I'm brainwashed. THAT'S F'n ponderous.
JohnSlack	posted on 07-31-2001 @ 11:13 AM
Psychopath Registered: May. 01	drink the kool-aid. everything will be ok. For example: Kindest Regards, Your Name
FANDICK	posted on 07-31-2001 @ 2:22 PM
Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00	Good one. What explosive wit.
JohnSlack	posted on 07-31-2001 @ 2:33 PM
Psychopath Registered: May. 01	So...howard was doing this Before even he was on the air? great logic.. hoo hoo robin i invented being imus.. For example: Kindest Regards, Your Name
Cunt-Twat No real… its cool to wear childrens Band-Aids. I'm not a Cockblocker, I'm a COCKSUCKER!	posted on 07-31-2001 @ 6:37 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	what's next fandick, howard was doing radio while having sex with his mom at the age of 10. just face it, stern is a has been, no one is disputing that yes, at one time howard was funny, but to say that he started this type of radio, is simply foolish. i have a good idea for you, go to the museum of television and radio in mid-town manhattan, go prove yourself to be correct. come back and tell us what you learned. METS IN 2002!! thanks FN MORON...you know why
FANDICK	posted on 07-31-2001 @ 10:50 PM
Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00	O.K. Try to follow. Howard did Godzilla Goes to Harlem in college, in 1975. He had his first morning drive show in 1977 in Hartford. He and Steve Dahl worked at the same station in Detroit in 1978. Howard went to Washington, Dahl went to Chicago. Who do you think influenced who. And as for "creating" this type of radio, yes and no. No, he didn't invent breathing, or the talk radio show, but he DID take it to the level it's at now. The level that everyone else is at. Nobody has taken it further. Some have been original, but they haven't taken it FURTHER. Haven't come up with their OWN innovation. And they certainly didn't go through what Howard had to go through to get their. He is the sacrificial lamb for every show that does the type of format that he opened the door to. As for having sex with your mother at age 10...I guess we know what's going through YOUR mind dude. Whatever floats your boat.
Dr Gonzo	posted on 07-31-2001 @ 11:24 PM
Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00	Howard Sucks Die get in the coffin
FANDICK	posted on 07-31-2001 @ 11:47 PM
Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00	No, YOU suck. LIVE, and get OUT of the coffin.

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