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| Mr. Brownstone | posted on 08-25-2001 @ 8:09 PM |    | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00  | The Why, When and How of Father/Daughter Sex Foreword Father/daughter incest goes back to ancient culture. The pharaohs of Egypt, believing themselves God, felt the only person worthy of sexual interest and baring the royal children was a Royal Child. Hence there was not only father/daughter sex going on, but also brother/sister and mother/son. Other cultures practiced incest as well with the intention of keeping the family lines pure. Due to the influence of Judeo-Christian piety the open practice of incest has long since gone by the wayside in Western Civilization. Note the operative term, "Open Practice." Although there is as much or more incest going on today as in ancient times, modern practitioners must find their own way in uncertain territory. The wisdom and advice that safely guides us through almost every other activity in society, is conspicuously absent in this area. Incest is not limited to fathers and daughters and no one piece of writing could hope to cover the various combinations adequately. While some of this offering could be adapted to brother/sister, mother/son and so on, it focuses on the unique and special needs of fathers and daughters, particularly when the daughter is a young virgin. Therefore, this writer humbly attempts to offer a philosophy and procedure to help those Fathers wishing to expand the relationships with their daughters beyond the horizon of accepted cultural norm and have those relationships be positive. 1. Why Sexual relationships demand much of us. There are emotional, psychological, and physical elements that work together to make sex positive or abusive. Children are becoming sexually aware, inquisitive and active at earlier ages than ever before. This is due mostly to the loosening of some of the constraints set on western culture by Judeo-Christian piety. Sex is everywhere and children are not as naive as they once were. It is up to parents to temper their children's exposure, to create an open and healthy environment to discuss sexual matters, to develop trust and especially to love their children so that sex is a gift they give receive and in turn give to others in the future. The emotional, psychological and physical elements of sex are compounded in father/daughter relationships. For most young girls, "Daddy" is the center or the world. He protects and provides. He does this out of love and since of honor. He is the girl's first image of what it means to be a man. Most women, upon examination, marry a man who is like their father. If a father is a proper protector and provider, his daughter will naturally accept his role as lover and teacher when the time comes. This is because she knows her father loves her, and she loves him too. Psychologically, sex can be a very esteem building activity for anyone, but especially for the young girl trying to find her way in a grown up world. To know that she is loved and to know that her body, at what ever stage of development, is desired by the man she loves most, and to know that she is considered "mature" enough to become sexually active all contribute to make a rather difficult time much easier for a girl. While boys may still be "icky" Daddy, a grown man, will never have that title in the eyes of a loving and loved daughter. She will grow up to feel she can do anything. Physically, there are many issues to consider. The body of a mature man, father, and that of his young daughter are usually strikingly different. He is usually at least twenty years older, much larger, and can have an overwhelming presence compared to his daughter. Here size does matter since at their most intimate moments, father and daughter will or attempt to fit together in sexual union. If the daughter is a virgin, the breaking of her hymen must be handled with care. 2. When There is a limited window of opportunity for this activity to begin between the ages nine to twelve years of age for the daughter. Researchers and historians Rogers and Hurst tell us that the female body is first able to engage in sexual intercourse at age nine (1). It is interesting to note that according to their findings, by nine years of age the vagina correlates perfectly in dimensions to the penis size of her father no matter what his size. From this we gather that at nine years of age nature has seen to it that a girl, even a virgin is a custom fit for her father. If any sexual relationship is to be attempted it should not be done so prior to her ninth year or else their may be some damage done to her sexual organs. By age thirteen, however the window closes. This doesn't mean that a man could not engage in sex past that age with his daughter, but it would have to have been already established. By age thirteen, Dad is not longer the center of the world. While the love of a Daughter never lessens, she begins to expand herself beyond home and family. She doesn't feel she needs a protector nor provider any more. She would also reject her father as lover. She wants to find independence and develop boy/girl relationships. If a father hasn't at least begun the process of preparing for a sexual relationship by age 13, it is unlikely to happen at all. Consideration should be giving to your daughter's maturity level in all the areas mentioned above. No two people are alike nor two father/daughter couples. 3. How The first step in the process is getting the daughter's willingness to expand her relationship with her father. To do this Father must be completely honest about his reasons for wishing to enter into a sexual relationship. He must explain all the pros and cons of it and he must allow his daughter to choose how far and if she wants to go on this new journey. This is the part that is the least predictable. In order for a father and daughter to enter into a healthy sexual relationship it must be consensual. There must not be any force, fear, or coersion. If any of these are involved, it is abuse. The father must be willing to accept his daughter's willingness or unwillingness. Curious Method (2) A great method to introduce this subject to your daughter is to play off her natural curiousity. She will likely at some point ask questions about the birds and the bees. She will hear other girls and boys talk or brag about sexual activity. This will all work to your advantage. Answer her questions fully and address her concerns as need be. Let her know that you are more than willing to "be there" for her. As "being there" deepens the trust between you, allow your intimacy to increase also. Nature should take its course from there and sex will be a expression of what you have together. This will not happen over night. Relax and let things happen on their own time table. You meet your daughter where she is and bring her along at her own pace. Direct or Banana Split method (3) Another method to develop a sexual relationship with your daughter is to be direct. The previous method counts on your daughter coming to you. This one involves you going to her. Let me offer a word of caution. This is not to be done lightly. The method presumes a healthy and open relationship already. You are making yourself vulnerable. Not only are you risking your daughter's rejections but also being exposed to family, authorities, and community. This is risky even if you have a great relationship with your daughter. One day when you are alone and have time, you and your daughter make a Banana Split. As you go out and shop for the makings Chit chat with her and bring up sex in the conversation. Ask her what she knows and how she feels on the subject. Get a sense of her comfort level and continue if she seems ok with it. Then change the subject slightly. Explain that just like kids want things that may not be good for them all the time, like cake, candy and Banana Splits, adults, too, want things that may not be the best for them. The conversation(4) could continue as follows: "What do you mean, Daddy?" askers the daughter. "Well, first of all," the Dad starts, "you know I love you more than anything, right?" "Yes Daddy," the daughter says, "I know you love me." "And you love me more than anything, right?" the Daddy asks knowing the answer. "Yes Daddy," the daughter says. "What I mean is that sometimes Daddys want things that some say they shouldn't have," Dad says. "What things?" Daughter asks. "Like loving his little girl in every way possible," Dad says. "But Daddy, you do love me already," Daughter assures. "Yes, but there is another way we can love each other," Dad says. "What way is that, Daddy?" the daughter asks. At this point start making the Banana Split. "Look," Dad explains, "this banana is nice, tasty, and full of good things that help make us healthy and happy people. Let's pretend it is you." "Ok," says the daughter. "The ice cream is sweet and is good by itself. It makes people happy too. Lets pretend it's me." "OK," says the daughter. By this time she should be getting pretty amused by all this. She will also be interested in what you are getting at. "Now notice, that putting both the banana and the ice cream together makes something even better than what they would be separate," Dad says. At this point peel the banana and slice it down the middle. Have daughter place it in the bowl. "By slicing the banana, we have opened it to make it better than it was by itself," Dad says as she begins to scoop up some ice cream and pile it between the two halves of the Banana. "Know what happens next?" "What Daddy?" daughter asks. "More sweet things start to happen," Dad says as she spreads some chocolate syrup, nuts, whipped cream over the top. Dad finishes by placing the cherries on the mounts of whipped cream. "Don't you think this is better than if we just ate the banana and ice cream by themselves?" "Much better, Daddy," the daughter says, " but what does that have to do with us?" "Just like we put the ice cream inside the banana and made something wonderful, I want to be inside you and it will be wonderful." At this point lay your cards on the table. Explain sex as you need to based on the information you gleaned from your shopping trip. Tell her that it is her decision and that you will love her no matter what she decides. Give her time to ponder it all and take the risk and allow her to report it to whomever she wishes to prove that you are sincere about how much you are willing to put at stake for her. Assuming your daughter doesn't go running to the cops and you don't end up in jail, one of two things will happen. She will either decline or accept your offer. If she says no, then assure her that if she changes her mind you will always "be there" for her. If she accepts then you'll be ready to move on to the next stage. Discovery Method This is more sly of than the other methods. Simply leave a father/daughter story where it can be found by your daughter. It should be written on a level that can be easily read and understood. Give your daughter time to digest it. If she asks about it, she will most certainly understand that you want to have sex with her. If she says nothing, then that will mean she isn't interested. Any one of these methods can work and be effect. Feel free to be creative. Mix and match or create your own versions of these. She is your daughter and you know her far better than this writer. Remember that above all, your motivation is love for her and the desire to expand your relationship. Sex will not fix relational problems that already exist. 4. Beginning the Journey With understanding that a healthy father/daughter sexual relationship must be consensual, let's assume that the tumblers of the universe have all fallen in the right place. You have been the model father, have developed a wonderful, loving, and healthy relationship with your daughter. You have told her you want to expand that relationship into something more wonderful and she agrees. Believe it or not, the hard part is yet to come. You now, as father, must make several choices for the both of you. In making these choices you must ask yourself several questions. "Will I gradually prepare her for intercourse?" "When and where will it be?" "How can I make it the most beautiful experience possible?" "What is the point of no return for us?" The answers are critical, especially for fathers with virgin daughters. Before intercourse begins, some ground rules must be put down. These will clearly define the events to follow and the expectations you and your daughter will have for each other. Those rules may be something like: -There will be time (weeks or months) for each to reconsider their position before going all the way. There is no rush to hope into bed. It is better to let things simmer for a time and make sure it is the right thing. This is a special experience and you don't want to mow it down in a mad fit of lust. This will also allow both you and your daughter to back out for whatever reason or no reason. - Either can back out until the point of first intercourse. Dad has worked hard to get to that point of actually getting in bed with his daughter. Out of simple consideration for him, it would be horrible to have stop at the last moment. - Other rules as deemed appropriate may be added. Now that rules are set, father and daughter decide when and where. Together pick a place and date to go all the way. Make it an out of town trip or vacation. Make the first day of it all centered around your daughter. Visit an amusement park, water park, etc. Make money no object if possible. Make your daughter feel more special than ever and enjoy being with each other. At the end that special day, have a light meal and retire to your sleeping quarters for the evening. Attention now shifts to Father. This is the moment for which you've been waiting and working. Give your daughter one more chance to change her mind. Assure her that no matter what you love for her will not change. If she is still willing then you begin foreplay and sex. There are two ways to prepare your daughter for first penetration. One way is the "snow ball" model. That is gradually introducing her to sex by kissing and making out in the weeks prior to your going all the way. Let her experience foreplay, orgasms, and even finger stretch her vagina some to ease her first penetration pains, but do not engage in intercourse. Leave that for the "special" night. You may or may not allow her access to you, but if so keep in mind this requires a lot of self discipline on Father's part. Personally I recommend the "Wedding Night" model. In this there is no sexual activity until that "special" night. You and your daughter maintain a high level of piety and modestly. This is a far more romantic way to make your daughter's first time memorable and packed with excitement for the both of you. Again, before the festivities begin give her one more chance to change her mind. If this prescription is followed your daughter should be a "ball of fire" and will in no way consider backing out. If so proceed with consideration given to daughter's age, and father's endowment. In which ever model you use, enjoy yourself and don't rush. As with the day activities, let things move at their own pace and enjoy being with each other. This night will be a memory far too soon. Make it last. Move your daughter through hours of foreplay if possible. Make sure she experiences as many different kinds of sensations as her body can yield leading to the ultimate act of father/daughter love, intercourse. 5. First Penetration It cannot be understated what a gentle and delicate process this must be. You have worked and waited for this moment and your daughter has invested her trust and love in you to this point. She is now giving you the most precious part of her body. Depending on her experience level, your penis may and likely will seem enormous. She would likely want to back out except for the fact that the two of you have build a level of trust that few fathers and daughter ever know. It is one of the great ironies of the universe that the penis responsible for her existence and which can give her pleasure beyond her imagination must now cause her pain. Pain which ranges from mild to intense. You both know this and it will be a very emotional moment. Assure her that you will not hurt her on purpose. To go that extra mile for her, you may ask her again if she really wants to go all the way. Telling her that once you start you won't stop. Assuming she is still willing, which she should be, have her guide you inside her virgin vagina. Begin entering her slow and easy. Don't rush at all and let her tell you when she wants more. You are tearing and stretching her most tender part. Work in and let her get used to it. Repeat this process until you are inside her body. The most difficult part of this procedure is when your penis is pushing through her hymen. No matter how much she begs, cries, screams, or fights, don't stop. The pain will only be a moment and the pleasure to follow will never stop. Once you have "bottomed out" let her have some recovery time and to regroup before you begin in and out motions. When all is well, begin moving in and out ever so slowly until you both enjoy the most wonderful orgasm. Conclusion A father/daughter sexual relationship is a wonderful journey you are embarking on, but it is not for everyone. Let your wisdom and your love for your daughter guide you down this most intimate path. Even if you don't go all the way, you will both be the richer for even considering expanding your relationship to a sexual level. Regardless of where this path leads you, the journey is never complete. Each step you take is better than the previous. The key to this new relationship is to love and enjoy yourselves as fully as possible. Good Luck!  Two openings available at Mr. Brownstone Academy of Dance . | ||||
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| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jun. 01 | This is the most disturbing and most fucking disgusting thing I have ever read in my life. Thine In Honor, FallenAingL "We each play out the part fate has written for us... Free will, is an illusion!" -Kain Goofbahgs, Unite!! | ||||
| JJ G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Soldier of Fortune Spec Ops Division | posted on 08-25-2001 @ 8:23 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Feb. 01 | Um ok terrific, lol We're all just monkeys!! | ||||
| BoxOfWine | posted on 08-25-2001 @ 8:26 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: May. 01 | I AM STUPIFIED! A.K.A.  Thanks for the pic Jo. Graduate of the Mr. Brownstone Academy of Dance, you've been warned. | ||||
| MaynardGKrebs | posted on 08-25-2001 @ 8:27 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Jan. 01 | I'm not sure how to respond to this. I just sit here in awe. It's just "I love you" can mean a lot of things, like "You'll do till someone better comes along", or "I can't describe how I really feel but I know I'm supposed to say this", or "Shut up, I'm watchin' TV"... Yo, I went up to a thug gangster and he was like, "Yo, motherfucker "Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!"  | ||||
| Mr. Brownstone | posted on 08-25-2001 @ 8:37 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | quote:No it isn't, this is... Dogs, like most creatures, are innately, naturally sexual beings. But their sexuality is naturally oriented towards other dogs. They don't necessarily see us as sexual beings. This is something they have to learn. So, I want to talk about sexuality. His. Humans and dogs have been living together for about 20,000 years. We've been able to do it because our temperaments, our social and even sexual natures are very close. After 20,000 years of living together, we can mate happily. But when going into K9 sex, remember, you can't approach him as a sex toy. He isn't a dildo or vibrator. You can't plug him in and turn him on and off. And you can't quite treat him as a human. You have to start from the principle that this is a living being, a nonhuman being. A sexual being. And you have to reach that sexuality. You have to become a sexual being for him. Remember, a dog is literally like an alien. He comes from different physical and instinctive parameters. Certain actions, certain behaviours and traits will be natural to him, others will be foreign. You can't expect him to act like a sex toy, and you can't relate and react to him like a human. Your behaviour to him, to have a successful sexual relationship, must recognize that this is a different kind of being with a genuine, if alien, perspective. Look at humans from a dogs point of view: Humans don't seem sexy. Our geography, our geometry is all wrong. We're tall and erect on long legs, our bodies flat... Their sexuality is oriented towards long bodies slung on legs, where the head and the vagina are in sensible places, not piled on top of each other like some demented totem pole. Our bodies just don't make sense to them, sexually. And look at scent, dogs live by scent. But humans constantly conceal or mess our scents up, by showering, changing and wearing different clothes, colognes, soaps, perfumes, even the mundane things in life like cleaning solvents affect our odour. Instead of smelling natural, we're constantly hiding or masking our scent, especially our sexual scent. On top of that, we refuse or try to minimize a great many normal social behaviours, like sniffing. It's hard to see yourself with someone if they can't even shake your hand. So, it's not a surprise that dogs aren't constantly humping us. Even women who want to do it will sometimes find that their dog isn't interested, or doesn't know what to do. So, how do you become a sexual being for him? By raising his consciousness, by acting and positioning yourself in such a way that he realizes you are a sexual creature.... By relating to the dog on his own terms. * Assuming that you don't already have a dog, what sort of dog should you be looking for? * As a general comment, the most common dog seems to be Black Labs, followed by German Shepherds. Rottweillers, Mixed breeds, Spaniels, Collies and Danes are also used. When picking a breed, go with what you find beautiful. Pit Bulls and Saint Bernards have a bad reputation though. My recommendation is a dog between two thirds and four-fifths your body weight, although women have found bliss with both smaller and larger. I find at that size, they're hung just right and their energy isn't overwhelming. You want someone between the ages of two and five. They should be sexually mature. Most dogs mature at the age of one to one and a half. If he's young, I recommend waiting... This is a gut instinct on my part, too young and he's not really receptive, and you may screw up his natural social development and personality. Too old, and he may be too set in his ways and in his sexuality to expand his horizons to include you. Most importantly, always consider personality. Look for a dog who's friendly, outgoing, who genuinely seems to like you and be curious about you. Avoid dogs who seem withdrawn, or who seem too aggressive. Listen, it's very simple. You wouldn't or shouldn't have sex with a human who's an asshole. Why lower your standards for dogs? Always have a good relationship with your canine. If you're thinking of a dog you already have, then you're the best judge of that relationship.... Good luck. One thing more, if your dog has been fixed, then he's probably not going to be really sexual. Maybe you can feed him hormones or something, if you know a vet or can come up with an excuse. But otherwise, you won't get much past licking. * What to do, how do you reach him? * First, be naked around him, whenever you can. Get him used to the look and feel and scent of your real body. Reorient yourself for him. Move from being a tall totem pole to something whose geography makes more sense to him. Try to orient or show him that your body orients towards horizontal. Lay back or lean or sprawl on the couch or the bed, even in chairs, slouch back. Get down on the floor with him, on all fours. This is much more natural for him, and it makes it easier for him to understand and relate to your body. Skip the shower after exercising, or after you've built up a sweat. Let him get to know your natural odour. Let him become familiar with it. Avoid perfumes or colognes, it will throw him off. Often, he'll show curiousity. Encourage it. Let him sniff you or lick you. Offer him your hands. If he shows any interest in sniffing or licking your crotch, spread and encourage him. Play with him. I mean normally, play tug of war. Go out and throw the frisbee. And play at home naked. The mounting posture, on knees and elbows, is very similar to the 'play' posture. Close the distance, until you're someone that he relates to and likes. The better he has a feel for you as a person, the more easily and happily it will happen. Let him experience your sexuality. Masturbate around him, so that he can smell you. Offer him your wet fingers to lick and investigate. If he shows any interest in sniffing or licking between your legs encourage him. Have him in the room when you are doing it with a human partner, and use doggy style. If you're masturbating, try and use that posture. If you're using a dildo or vibrator, let him sniff it. Let him, encourage him to smell you around your period. It's the closest your body comes to estrus or heat. My dog seems horniest just before my period. But in any case, this is when your sexual scents will be strongest and most like a female dogs. Other things he may respond to: If you urinate in front of him, he may react well. Urination is part of their social communication. Personally, I can't see peeing on the carpet, I work hard enough to break him of that habit, I'm not going to start myself. If you wanna be really gross, let him sniff your tampon or pad...I'm told it will arouse him instantly. Never tried that, but it makes a little bit of sense, since the sanitary will be saturated with your sexual hormones as well as menses. Sniffing and licking isn't truly sexual behaviour for them. But it's strongly social behaviour, and if you're someone he can sniff and lick, then you become someone he can relate to. And that includes relating sexually. After all, when he sniffs you, he's sniffing your body, and that includes your sexual scents. All of this is mainly oriented towards expanding his consciousness, allowing him to see you as a sexual being and someone that he can see and respond to sexually. For most dogs, it will be a natural and almost unconscious process. For many, it will happen easily, and they'll be ready quickly in the first session. Others may take a couple of sessions to fully absorb and digest it. If he doesn't absorb or digest it, you can still get him hard, and even get him to come. But he may be confused, and may simply not know how to react or respond, and won't mount. You'll be able to tell when he's confused, he'll bark or whine, mount and dismount, approach and withdraw. * Licking * Dogs are natural lickers. It's partly a social behaviour, they explore and understand the world with their nose and tongue. It's also partly a physical reflex, give them moisture or certain textures, they have to lick it. A dog can learn to lick your vagina for the simple pleasure of it. For him, it's not really a sexual experience or sexual thing to do. The sexuality, for him, comes from the scents of your arousal as he does it. If he shows interest in licking you, encourage him. Reinforce the behaviour. Pet him, rub his ears, tell him what a good dog he is, give him treats or fill his bowl with cold water. Positive reinforcement lets him know that he's doing a good thing, and he'll follow his natural tendencies. If he isn't licking you, some people suggest trying honey, or peanut butter or fish oil on their vagina. I don't recommend it personally. But sometimes it will work and nothing else may. If you do try it that way, use small amounts to get him started, and once he gets into it, slowly taper it off. Remember, you want him hooked on your natural taste, not on your vagina as a place to find peanut butter. And again, once he starts, provide positive reinforcement. Their tongues are longer and much more flexible than humans, but not as muscular. The surface is rougher, and it's much faster, it laps and swirls quickly, and where a human tongue can push inside, a dogs will sort of slide in. Their licking has no inhibitions, and they'll lick from anus to clit. Enjoy. * Touching Him * Now, I want to talk about initiating sex with him. About touching him and arousing him. Female dogs have it easy, they go into heat, releasing a great big billboard "fuck me" scent. But they also have body language, ways of moving, presenting, whining, all of which turn on male dogs. Well, we aren't bitches, and our body language and smell aren't going to be the same. But dogs have enough flexibility to react and respond to other signals, he can and will respond to your stimulation. You start by stroking the inside of his back thigh. Use short light strokes. For dogs, this isn't sexual, it's social behaviour. It's how they inspect each other. He should go still but will be relaxed. He'll enjoy it, it's almost like a hug or a kiss. They sniff each other there all the time. Speak softly, sound friendly. It's not what you say, but the tone of your voice, so talk dirty if it excites you. And feel free to stroke his head or back as well. Once you're stroking the inside of his thigh, move from there to his sheath. Again, stroke using short light strokes, imitating a licking action. Experiment a little, squeezing and caressing. Squeeze very gently, although you can work the sheath harder than his balls. They're very very sensitive with their balls, go very very gently, and if they react badly, leave it alone. It takes trust and relaxation to touch them there. Some very important things to understand about this: Dog's natural social behaviour is to put their snouts in each other's crotches. That's cool. But those snouts contain jaws capable of exerting hundreds of pounds of pressure, and huge shearing teeth, designed to slice through bone and rip out huge hunks of flesh. Now, that's some very frightening equipment to have near some of your delicate portions. Dogs, if you watch them, move carefully and delicately, sniffing and being sniffed. They don't want to do anything that would result in their genitals being bitten. So they go still and attentive. At the same time, they're more than a little paranoid. If you move quickly, if you grasp them harshly or roughly or strongly, especially if they're not used to your touching them there, they may panic and bite. So move carefully and deliberately, your movements should be slow and smooth. Your touch should always begin light. You are perfectly safe. For them touching or sniffing or licking crotches is part of their social nature, and they'll accept your touch. But be sensible, don't just grab quickly and firmly and rudely. After all, there's a big difference between a handshake and a punch in the nose to us. Make sure he gets the right message. You can squeeze him hard, or move quickly, but he has to get used to it. Be gradual. Watch him carefully, his body language and sounds are his only way of letting you know how he feels. If he moves away, it means he wasn't comfortable and doesn't want to be rude. If he growls, obviously, he didn't like something. This may be a new sort of touching with him and he may not like it. Often at a first touch, they'll move away, and then as they decide they like it, they'll move back. If he growls, then back off, continue stroking the inside of his thigh and speaking softly, and then try again after a minute. He may just need a moment to get used to it. Don't force him to lie down to fondle him. Some will allow that, but it's not a natural sexual function or posture. You're enforcing a submissive posture, which is not sexual to him. This may confuse him sexually and make it hard for him to mount you. As I've said, it is a social posture, and once he's had you and had his head straight with it, it may be possible to put him like that. Also, some dogs may be naturally relaxed enough to allow that at the outset. Generally though, don't push it. Personally, when I touch my dog, I like him to be standing and I'll be on my knees or laying on the couch or the bed, just reaching over. It's a posture that he understands, both with himself and with me. Eventually, if you stimulate him, his cock will come out. That's pretty much a reflex. It's supposed to look like that, by the way. If you're curious there are a lot of pictures available on the net. It's generally bright red, with a lot of very visible small veins, although some cocks may have bluish or whitish tones. The tip has a sort of cone, where a mans has a head. And about two thirds/three quarters of the way down the shaft, there's a bulge which swells, called the knot. Like men, their appearance and proportions vary from one individual to the next. Generally with a normal sized dog, the size I've recommended, it'll be about human sized. If you're wondering how big they get, it really does vary among individuals, just like men. As a general, very general, rule, the cock sizes are reflective of the sizes of the dog breeds, and of the individuals. When it comes out of the sheath, it won't be erect. They have a bone that allows them to come out. Their cocks are very sensitive. Don't grab it like you would a mans. Remember what I said earlier about their "social sensitivity." Instead, hold it lightly, loosely in your hands. You can move up and down, again holding it loose. Squeeze it gently and it will become erect. Dogs seem to prefer squeezing to stroking. If you want to stroke, remember to stroke very lightly, and use short caressing strokes. Think of stroking a cat, rather than stroking a cock. And lick your palm or your fingers while stroking, so as to avoid friction. Some like to be squeezed around the tip, some around the knot. Their most sensitive areas seem to be just short of the tip, directly in front of and directly behind the knot. Behind the knot you can squeeze hardest. Some like the squeezing motion to move up or down the cock. But no matter where you squeeze, start very light, and gradually increase the pressure in a series of little squeezes or pulses, like a slow heartbeat or a throb. Personally, I like to move from the front to the knot in a series of little pulse squeezes, increasing in strength each pass, almost like fucking. Sometimes, I'll use two hands, one moving, the other at the back of the knot. Again, explore him. Watch carefully, see what he likes and do it. After a few times, you'll have a good idea of what he responds to best. Playing with his cock gets him used to your touch, and it gets him to associate your presence, and your touch with arousal. It also lets you see how he behaves with arousal. This is important, because you want to have a working grasp of his behaviour. You don't want to be shocked or frightened. You want a good experience, not a scary or tense one. And for the same reason, it also gets you used to and comfortable with his cock. It's important to see it as sexy or hot, rather than strange. You should be comfortable with it, not freaked. The texture should be smooth, like latex. If it feels grainy or gritty, you may want to clean him with a soft wet cloth. Again, short light strokes, like licking. You can make him come in your hand. There's no secret, just explore, do what comes naturally. He'll hump in your hand, before he comes. I'd recommend you make him come with your hand before you fuck him. It'll show you what his come is like and how he comes. Dogs have a lot of precome, it leaks like a runny nose. Don't worry, it's normal. When they come, they come a lot, in heavy squirts or gushes. It's hot compared to human semen, and it's salty, sometimes metallic. It's thin and runny compared to humans. The taste will vary depending on what they've been eating. Feel free to taste it. When very aroused, dogs will go still. They'll walk stiff legged and deliberate. Movements will be sudden and jerky, but they won't bite. They'll sometimes whine or whimper, but seldom bark. You'll find as they grow more and more aroused their attention focuses on you with almost frightening, or exciting concentration. It feels like terrorists could break down the door or the building might burst into flame and he wouldn't pay attention to anything but you. There really is nothing like that focused attention, and I find it very arousing. If you're not aware of it, you may find it disconcerting. Try to be aroused yourself when you play with him like this. Try to masturbate with him. It's a good for him to associate his arousal to the smell of your own. It's a good association for the both of you to make. * Sucking Him * Personally, I think blowing your dog is one of those things like bungee jumping. You do it for the experience of having done it. You don't necessarily do it because it's that great a time. That said I've talked to women who are really into it and enjoy it a lot. There doesn't really seem to be any good position to do it in. Sometimes you can have them lay down and do it like that, that's a submissive posture and goes against the grain unless he's well trained. Usually, they like to be standing, so unless you have him standing on a table, which itself is awkward, you have to be crouching or laying for it. Their cocks are flexible at their base, so you can pull it out to the side, or even pull it back through their legs to face the opposite direction. Basically, experiment, see what he likes and see what's not too uncomfortable for you. Dogs don't have the psychological power fetish thing that men do about getting their cocks sucked. And it's not a natural behaviour for them, so if you're doing it, you're doing it for yourself. Generally, he won't seek it, although he will enjoy it. I don't recommend sucking him to orgasm, or at least, don't do it too often. Especially early in the relationship, there's a danger of creating the wrong association or connection. Remember, he's learning to perceive and relate to you as a sexual being. Don't teach him that satisfaction comes from your mouth, or he may have trouble realizing that you have a cunt. If you're sucking him, he may start to hump. That's usually a sign that he's ready to mount you. Humping is natural behaviour and dogs don't usually have the control to remain still for oral sex like men. So his inclination will be to hump or fuck your face. My dog has humped my face to orgasm, it makes my throat sore. Also, watch out for his come, there's a lot of it. So much that the first time he came in my mouth, I choked and snorted it out my nose. A word of caution. Do not, I repeat, do not use your teeth. Their cocks are very very sensitive and you can cause them pain easily. Also, they tend to be extremely sensitive about that area. They sniff each other there, which means they make themselves vulnerable to each others jaws and teeth, so they can be quite nervous or cautious about it. The will definitely not like being bitten or nibbled or scraped the way you might do a man. Also, and this is for your benefit, never deep throat so far that you have his knot inside your mouth. Trust me, the knot inside your mouth is not a good idea. When playing sexually with him, I do put his cock in my mouth though, for ten to thirty seconds at a time, not long enough to really be awkward or to be humped. And I like to lick his shaft and his knot, which is almost natural for him. I like that, oral sex with your dog should be play, not work. * Some Basic Facts about Fucking With Him * Others have written some very good sex guides and manuals for having sex with dogs. I would recommend that you look them up and read them. They're written by knowledgeable men and women as or more experienced than myself, and they're very helpful. My purpose here is to add to these other manuals, not repeat them. I will offer some things that I think are important to be aware of. Firstly, Dogs are powerful animals. They're built to go from zero to forty-five miles an hour, or sixty kilometers, from a standing start. They're built to run marathons. They're built to chase down and kill deer, caribou, buffalo and moose, animals up to ten times their size. They're built to out-corner and catch rabbits, agile animals a tenth their size. They're strong enough to drag twenty or thirty times their own weight. Their strength, their speed is in their spine. If you've ever seen one run flat out, you can see their spine bending and arching like a metronome, like a steel spring delivering power and push. When they fuck, all that power, that steel spring spine arching and bending and pushing, all that goes into fucking you. It's intense, frantic, furious and incredible. It's a real experience and for a first time, you can never be completely prepared for it. But hopefully, knowing this, you won't be totally surprised. This, by the way, is why I don't recommend starting with dogs that outweigh you. Aside from the size of their cocks, it's the intensity of their fucking. If you outweigh him, then you have inertia on your side. If he outweighs you.... Dogs don't have foreplay, not like we understand it, and they don't start slow. So, it's important to be ready. Don't fuck him, don't present for mounting, or let him climb or mount, until you're absolutely ready. You should be totally wet and ready. You should want it. Ache for it. You should be able to taste your orgasm off in the distance, minutes away. You should be unable to think about anything but his cock. And if you aren't sure, then you aren't ready. Period. I want this to be a good experience for you, and to have it be good, you should be completely committed to it. Some people say the best way to learn to swim is by jumping into the deep end and either thrashing or drowning. I don't think that works here. The usual position, and the most natural and comfortable for them, is doggy style. Basically, on your hands or elbows and knees, with your rump in the air. On elbows, you're much closer to their *play* posture. I've done both, either works. Whatever feels most comfortable between you and him. To let him know you're ready to be mounted doggy style, wave your ass from side to side, or up and down. This is similar to a bitch's movements, and their eyes focus on motion. Doggy style is not good if you don't want to take the knot, or you want more control. Face to face is the other major position. Their legs don't bend right, so you have to get your butt at about the right elevation for their cocks. Usually, by laying or slouching with your ass on or half off a bed, couch or sofa chair. In this position your body is bent forward, so it's much easier to reach down and hold and touch, and because it's more awkward and less natural, I find they don't thrust as hard. On the other hand, you can see it going into you, and that is major hot and freaky. It is a sort of natural position in that it's usually the position, or an extension of the position you're often in when he's licking you, so assuming he's hard, all you have to do is draw him forward. You can do this by bending forward and blowing softly in his face, usually they'll stretch and try and lick you, or by pulling him gently (don't pull if he resists), or by calling him. Then as he climbs up you, reach down for his cock and just lead him in. It's important to work with him, not against him. Go with his behaviour rather than trying to cut across it. Trying to force him to mount or fuck can confuse and upset him. If he's not mounting you, don't grab his forelegs and try and pull him into a mount, at best it won't work. At worst, it may provoke aggressive fear or anger reactions, squealing, barking, even biting. And it may discourage him from every trying to mount because of the bad association. So, sometimes the face to face approach actually works better, by developing or carrying forward a natural or comfortable behaviour. I have another, example. By and large, dogs won't allow you to mount on top of them, with them on their back. On their back is submissive/surrender posture and it's pretty inconsistent with sexuality or sexual arousal for them. But a few dogs can or will become aroused and mountable on their backs. Collies are known for this, but other breeds have done it. Dogs that do, seem to be almost completely nonaggressive, and have a lot of trust, either generally or in their human. If you'd like to explore this avenue, be very very careful and very patient. If it's not easily apparent in them, it may well be something they simply cannot be taught, accept that. I had a girlfriend though, who had literally mistakenly trained her boxer to accept blow jobs on his back. This was to the extent that when he wanted or was ready, he'd roll on his back inviting her. He also showed no interest in mounting her whatsoever. I wasn't surprised, she had effectively trained him out of it. Our best efforts to encourage him to mount didn't work. But, we finally got him to have actual sex with her, when she extended the comfortable sex pattern they'd established of him on his back and her sucking his cock, to her mounting him and taking him in her that way. Once she was doing that, things flowed and went more normally. The trick was to work with his sexuality and sexual experience, by extending behaviour, mounting him, rather than by trying to impose a brand new behaviour, mounting her, out of the blue. Your progress should be natural and should flow from what you and he are doing and understanding. Finally, their cocks are flexible enough at the base to point backwards through their legs. It's how they can turn around and go butt to butt while inside a bitch. It's never been for me, but some people will turn them around to suck or fuck them, and because it's more visible it's popular for porn. It might be easier to suck that way, but you're not going to get much real action fucking. You're basically using him as a dildo, a service to neither of you. Maybe if I got into it, I'd like it. Right now, I just don't see the point. A word about the knot. Don't be scared by the pictures on the net. The knot swells up around the time of the dogs coming. Before that, it's smaller. The pictures are almost always in its swollen state, because, for porn purposes, that's more photogenic. The knot is designed, for dogs, to swell up and lock or tie the bitches vagina when he comes, so his sperm will congeal and impregnate her. It'll keep her tied for ten or twenty minutes. You have seen, or seen pictures, of dogs knotted together. A male dogs cock is flexible enough at its base to allow the dog to turn around so they're butt to butt. We, however, are built differently than bitches. We can take fists, and pass baby's, not easily, but we can do it. So the thing to remember is that we can handle it. The knot cannot damage us. The knot is normally a bulge or lump on the penis, and it's not that bad. You'll feel it going in, but it shouldn't be uncomfortable or painful. It will swell when it's inside you and he's coming. You can feel that, but it won't hurt or damage you. Most of the discomfort comes from large objects forcing their way in or out, swelling inside you is much easier. The dogs urge will be to shove the knot in, and have it inside when he comes so that it will swell. If you don't want it, then you should hold it or place your thumb and forefinger against your vagina to keep it out. Or hold the knot itself, just wrap your fingers around it, or the front of it, and keep your arm loose so you don't interfere with the natural motion. If it does go in DON'T PANIC. The first time I was with a dog, I didn't know anything, the knot went in, and all of a sudden, it started to swell. I freaked, went tense, and tightened up. Other women who've been new have also reported that the first feeling of having the knot swell inside them has been scary and disorienting. It's a unique sensation and can be unnerving if you aren't ready. The bottom line is, DON'T PANIC, RELAX, TAKE DEEP BREATHS. It cannot damage you, and it'll subside naturally and come out painlessly on its own after a few minutes. Don't try to take it out when it's swollen. At the very least, it will be uncomfortable, and can be painful or almost impossible to do. Remember, inside you, you're built to handle it. Will you tie like a bitch? Not necessarily. It depends on the size of the woman, and of the dog, and whether the woman has given birth. Obviously, small women will tie more easily. Big dogs will tie more easily. Small dogs and big women will tie less easily. A woman who's given birth a few times may find it difficult to tie. With some dogs, the knot is a little further back on the shaft than others, this will affect how easily it will go in, or whether it goes in. Some dogs will remain still when the knot is in and swollen. These are very good dogs. Others will try to turn around, to be butt to butt. This can be pretty disconcerting. They're flexible enough, but I don't know if we are in every occasion. Some, a very obnoxious few, will want to move around all over the place. That means they'll pull the knot out, which can be uncomfortable, or if you're really tied, will try to drag you. Trust me, not fun. If you've been watching him carefully as you've played with him, you may have some idea of whether he'll be like this. If he's a rover, either have someone to keep him steady, or have a leash handy or have him tied to something. When I take the knot I've sometimes tied. Sometimes not. When I haven't tied, I've found it at least uncomfortable to take it out, and like to leave it until it subsides naturally. Some women take the knot, some don't. It's a matter of choice and a point of pride. Finally, some notes. They do not bite during sex, or before or after sex as a general rule. If there is biting before or after, then something is seriously wrong, either with his personality, or with how you've handled him. But as a general rule, you needn't worry about biting. You can worry about drooling. It doesn't always happen, but it can, it's icky and harmless. They also really like to lick you after sex, it's a strong part of their social/sexual behaviour. Trust me, it's not fatal, and can even be comfortingly affectionate. The most serious risk is scratching, from claws or dew claws. Some dogs are not bad and hardly scratch. Others are restless, seem to have no idea where to put their feet, or squirm a lot, and will scratch a lot. When in sex play with him, watch him carefully to see how restless he is in arousal. See about having the claws clipped. And vets can remove the dew claws without really injuring him. If it's a problem, the usual solution is to put golf club sleeves or heavy woolen socks on his front legs and keep them in place with tape or rubber bands. * Anal Sex * The trouble with dogs and anal is that they're basically one speed. They don't give it to you easily and slowly. So if you have no anal experience, or have been uncomfortable with it, and try it with a dog, it's going to be bad. My advice is that you shouldn't even think of anal with canines unless you are familiar, relaxed and have learned to enjoy it with humans. Only if you are very cool with it normally, should you consider this. With anal, my impression is that they fuck less rapidly, more slowly but also they push harder. It's like they're shifting gears. In that position, you have less control, and less ability to keep the knot out, if they can force or push it in. As to having him do anal, usually you should place him there yourself. Once he feels your entrance, he will simply push. The other option, if he can find your vagina easily and you enjoy it, is to simply cover your vagina with your hand, and as he thrusts, he'll find you. You should, of course, use lubrication. However, remember to use an organic based lubricant. Dogs lick, themselves and you, and a petroleum or artificial lubricant can make them sick. Use a lot of it, and use it liberally beforehand. You won't get an opportunity to reapply in the middle of sex. Remember that you are responsible for your own foreplay, and you'll also be responsible for relaxing and readying yourself, because he will simply mount and thrust. If he gets his knot in you, with anal sex, you will definitely tie, no question. You will be locked on until his knot goes down, and whether it lasts a long time or not, I guarantee it will *feel* like a long time. The knot will feel extra big back there, and it might be outright painful. On the other hand, you may also experience intense pleasurable sensations as the knot presses on your g spot. You can feel him inside your ass, by putting your fingers in your vagina, it's a startling and potentially arousing sensation. For that matter, you can feel his knot in your vagina, by sliding a finger up your ass. Never use a giant dog, like a dane, unless you are very experienced with this aspect of K9 sex. You can be injured. If you want to try this kind of sex, use a more normal sized dog, like a shepherd or a lab. As a final note, I've never heard anything to suggest that doing anal is bad for them, their health or their cocks. I would recommend that you wash their cocks afterwards with a soft wet cloth to ensure they're clean. * After Sex * All right, here's the big question. What happens after you've had sex with him. Will he try and mount you while you're having tea with your mom? That could be embarrassing. Will he try to dominate you, growl when you kick him off the couch, piss on your clothes or your furniture to mark his territory? That sounds like new dog time. Generally, that should not happen. A stable, sane well adjusted dog will expand his world view to encompass sex with you, without fucking everything else up. This, by the way, is one of the reasons why I don't recommend sex with immature dogs, an emotionally immature dog may not be able to make the proper adjustments. You'll recall I recommended two years when sexual maturity comes at a year and a half. I'd give extra time for emotional maturity. But having sex with your dog is a big deal, for him as well as you. It fundamentally changes or adds dimensions to the way he thinks about you. Suddenly, you're a sexual being, a sexual partner, and more than that, you're someone that he relates to emotionally... literally... as another dog, or what he considers a person. You've moved outside the category of human, and into the category of 'people' for him. His relationship with you should be largely the same. But his approach to others may change. He may become much more aggressive to others, other dogs or humans, around you. He may become especially more aggressive towards human males. He may become aggressive towards you, or possessive, if he feels that you're making or responding to sexual overtures to others. This could include hugging, kissing, dancing or even hanging out. Usually, this is just a short lived phase he goes through as he sorts things out emotionally. Don't worry too much. You should not respond to this behaviour, or respond to it negatively. By that I mean, do not allow his behaviour to change your behaviour. If he gets too aggressive, a rap on the nose with a rolled up newspaper, a stern "bad dog", tie him up, or take away some treats, to let him know clearly this his behaviour is unacceptable. Clear messages delivered quickly, should help him figure things out. Do not reinforce his bad behaviour. Don't give him the impression that it will work, because this will just give him bad ideas and make them hard to eradicate. For instance, if he doesn't like you dancing with a man or kissing one, and you stop when he growls or acts threatening, he gets several bad messages. One is that you're his private bitch. Another is that he can control your behaviour and the behaviour of others. This will make him hard to deal with, outside the bedroom. Some people talk about dogs being oriented towards dominance and submission. That's sort of true, for dogs, humans and lots of animals. I don't like to use the term in a sexual context because it sort of confuses things with S&M and B&D. For the record, I do not trust B&D or S&M games using dogs unless people are very careful, dogs do not and cannot understand B&D and S&M and so there's the possibility for things to go badly wrong. Basically, like men, dogs are happiest when they know what the rules are and where they stand with you. Sexually and otherwise the worst thing you can do, with dogs or men, is to respond inappropriately. If your relationship with your dog, or your dog's personality begins to go bad after sex, it's because, in part you're giving him the wrong messages. So be strong and be firm. He'll appreciate it, and you'll both be happier. Generally, the sanest thing to do, is to simply carry on normally. Don't treat him any different outside the bedroom. He'll realize "well, we've had sex, but nothing else is different" and act accordingly. His behaviour will be normal, and you'll both live happily ever after. The most reassuring thing, is this that generally, male dog's sexuality is reactive. They're ready to go anytime. But obviously, as pack animals, they have lives to live, things to do. So as a rule, they only become aroused and interested in sex when they get the right signals. With bitches it's first the scent, and then it's the posture, whimpering and body language. But dogs are flexible, so they can get to understand and react to a new set of signals from you. You should offer him consistent cues for when you want sex with him, for instance, keep it to one room, or if you wear lingerie, always the same lingerie, things like that. You'll find you naturally develop, but should also be aware of and careful to develop, specific body language. You may find he may become more eager, and more easily aroused around the time of your period, or immediately before or after. Or he may be more excited if you're making love with a man or a woman. In either case, be firm, and usually, if he doesn't get the other signals he'll figure it out. In their natural lives, dogs are highly social creatures. And sex is a social activity. Dogs and wolves, in their natural behaviour will grasp that there's proper times and places for sex, and public sex is not a good idea. Among wolves, dominant males and females attempt to police and prevent other wolves sexual behaviour to consolidate their position as the breeding pair. Less dominant animals, in order to get any action at all, have to seek out what behaviourists have come to call "the sneaky fuck." For the record, rape or sexual aggression is not natural to them. Among humans, males are generally a third larger than females, with, pound for pound, half again the upper body strength. So, unfortunately, rape makes sense for humans. For canines, the female is fully as large as the male, pound for pound as strong or stronger, equally dangerously equipped, and without the disadvantage of soft, sensitive external dangling genitals. So don't worry about your dog becoming or being a rapist, won't happen. What sexually oriented aggression does emerge tends to show up as hostility towards rivals, either directed against the rival men or dogs themselves, or directed towards you to discourage you from interest in rival men or dogs. I've talked about this earlier, it's bad behaviour, don't accommodate it, don't tolerate it, don't put up with it. He'll generally accept the rules that you set firmly. But as a general rule, a sane, stable healthy dog, will not embarrass you by mounting you in front of mom, but will wait patiently for you to get rid of the old biddy, and strip and get on the floor. What about all those dogs you've heard of or seen that hump your leg? I think dogs like that are experiencing behavioural misfires. I don't think they fully understand the sex act or their own sexuality, and are acting out urges that they don't quite grasp. Generally, a sexually knowledgeable and experienced dog, even one who's experience is humans, will not do that. He knows where your pussy is and what to do with it. * Your Emotions * Generally, I find that women who do it, fall into two categories. Women who wanted to do it, thought about it, and went for it. And women who sort of drifted into it, without really seeking it out. The first category I think, tend to be pretty cool with it. They've thought about it, and sorted most of it out. The second category may have to go through some soul searching to sort it out. I think that any real sex can have emotional consequences. Dogs are not mindless horny sex machines, and neither are we. We have feelings about what we do. Doing K9 sex, especially the first time, can be hugely powerful, both physically and emotionally. It is one of the ultimate social taboos. Often, when you're getting into it, you may find your emotions going yo yo. You may feel wildly elated at points, at having done this amazing thing. You may also find yourself feeling shame, guilt, self recrimination. You may have an overpowering urge to talk about it. Kubler Ross wrote about stages of dying, denial, bargaining, rage, depression and acceptance. These are universal stages, everyone goes through in accepting the reality of dying. I find though, that they apply to everything from stubbing the toe on up. You may find your emotions rolling through the stages, you may initially not feel much denial of the event or its emotional reality, or elation. Then you'll decide it was ok, but you won't do it again, or you'll do it under specific circumstances, bargaining with yourself. You may find yourself getting randomly angry, blowing up at your husband/boyfriend, at the dog, seething at yourself. You can spill into guilt, agonizing over what you've done, shame over transgression, or betrayal of people around you, in depression. Finally, you work it out and you're okay with it. For most of us, one way or the other, this is something that we come to and consent to. So perhaps the soul searching isn't as bad. For some of us, I think we go through much of it before it happens. I'm not a therapist. I did the yo yo thing when it happened to me. I don't have all the answers. What I will say, is that you are the same person you always were. No one can see it in your face, you don't suddenly become nothing more than a dogfucker. You are who you've always been. What you've done, this doesn't change your good and bad qualities. This act, this activity, will not and does not define who and what you are. Remember that, and if it's rocky, cling to that. You'll see the truth in it. If you find yourself angry, don't take it out on the dog. He just won't understand what's going on or why. For that matter, try not to take it out on your husband or anyone else you're keeping a secret from. If you need to tell someone, try the internet where you'll at least have anonymity and can meet people who've done the same things. I've found meeting and knowing other women who've shared this experience to be immensely comforting, even through cyberspace. Don't surrender to guilt. It is not abuse. A dog is not a child, he is an adult, physically, emotionally and sexually mature being who can and does make choices. They are capable of entering into sex on their own with other dogs. It's ridiculous to argue that they have a capacity to decide to do it with each other but not with us. Trust me, anyone who tries to force a dane, or lab or shepherd into unwanted sex is risking losing an arm or more delicate part. They can and will defend themselves. And as for the 'wrongness' of it. This causes no harm to the dog, or to you, except for abstract metaphysical pretend injuries to soul or dignity. There is no victim. There are a lot of things where people are hurt this is not one of them. It's a line that society draws. I've used banana's and cucumbers. Is it fundamentally different to put a fruit or vegetable into your vagina than a dog cock? Both are or were living things. Both are reproductive organs. I mean, this sounds stupid. But give it some thought, what rationally is the difference that makes dogs the worse act? On the scale of wrongness, how do we compare to Nazi concentration camp guards, war criminals, serial killers? What about rapists, or armed robbers? Are we better or worse than white collar criminals who loot savings and loans and wipe out the life savings of thousands of elderly people? Where does this stand on a scale that includes bullies and hatred, meanness and jealousy and spite and the thousand petty cruelties that we inflict to hurt each other. Do these things justify or excuse what we do? I don't know. All I know is that despite what I do, I do not feel like a bad person. I try to help people, try to love, I do my best. What I do, does not change that. At the end of the day, I look into the mirror, and it's only me. So I guess, recognize that this thing has emotional consequences, or an emotional side to it, and deal with it as best you can. You will be all right. * Final Notes: Disease and Pregnancy * When I started, I worried about this a lot. Could I catch something from him? I didn't think I could get pregnant, but I wasn't sure. And it's not like there's a lot of solid information out there on the subject. I've researched it as best I can, asked circumspect questions of vets and doctors, and talked to people who seemed knowledgeable. I'm no Doctor, my information isn't perfect. It's simply the best I've been able to find or conclude from a subject that's difficult to research or inquire about. Take it for what it's worth. Firstly, you can't get pregnant. I phoned or visited several doctors and vets pretending it was a school Project on mythological creatures and asked about Hybrids. Wolves and dogs can successfully interbreed, they're closely related species. You also get Zebra/Horse crosses, Horse/Donkey crosses and Lion/Tiger crosses. In all cases, the species are quite closely related. As far as humans go, you might possibly get a chimp/human crossbreed but that's it, and no one has ever heard of one of those. Chemically, genetically and biologically, it is impossible to be pregnant from doing it with a dog. The ova is surrounded by a mucus layer which does not just stop but kills the wrong kinds of cells, including sperm from another species. The ova or egg membrane thickness is set for human sperm. Dogs and humans have different numbers of chromosomes, so the two DNA chains wouldn't link up. And the species are so genetically distinct from each other that it just isn't possible. What about diseases? Well AIDS was the easiest to find out about. I figured that AIDS was carried in the blood and saliva as well. So, I went around asking if you could get AIDS from a dog bite, or from being licked. Or if my dog bit an AIDS victim, could he get it or carry it. I got laughed at a lot. Basically, AIDS is entirely human specific, other animals, with the possible exception of Chimps just don't get it. Other animals may have similar viruses, but we don't get theirs and they don't get ours. There's a feline version of AIDS for instance, but like I said, that only affects cats. So, your dog can't catch it or carry it or give it to you. I've kept an eye out since then for any report of canines carrying, getting or transmitting the AIDS virus. There are so many middle class pet owners that it would probably be big news. Nothing so far. This also seems to be the case with other venereal diseases. Herpes, Chlamydia, Gonorrhea and Syphilis. Or most diseases in general. We just don't get theirs, and they just don't get ours. I've heard one person claim their dog got gonorrhea from a human, but I don't think that's a credible report. There is such a thing as cross species infection, and there is evidence of diseases having moved back and forth between humans and animals like horses. However, most cross species infection is with wild animals and humans. With domesticated animals, anything that would cross has tended to cross early in domestication, or as they were introduced. Dogs have been with us, universal to just about every human population on the planet for at least 20,000 years. Anything they could catch from us, or we could catch from them has moved a long long long time ago. We seem pretty safe from each other these days. So what can you get? There are a few risks that I've been able to find out about. You can catch a human venereal disease from sex with a dog, if the dog has recently had sex with an infected human. Within a day or two say. Bacteria or viruses from the infected human may survive on the comparatively safe moist environment of the surface of his cock in the sheath for a short time. He can't be infected, but if they're still alive when he has sex with you, they may be passed on. You can guard against this by avoiding "swingers dogs" who have sex with several women. Or by washing his cock, antibacterial soap is recommended, to make sure he's clean. Also, if the dog has had sex with you or another human with a yeast infection, it may survive on him and get passed to you. A yeast infection is irritating but not dangerous, and easily treatable for both of you. If he has it, the irritation will make him lick himself a lot more than usual. To find out, check his cock under his sheath, or inside his sheath, for a yellowish build up. For you and him the solution is Monostat. The other solution, as before, is to avoid "swingers dogs." This, by the way, is the only genuine instance of anyone getting anything from their dog that I've actually heard of. Certain wide ranging diseases may be sexually transmissible and affect both species. Lyme disease, which is caught from deer ticks may be transmitted through bodily fluids such as saliva, and would seem to me to be sexually transmissible. However, you can catch Lyme disease yourself, walking through the woods. Rabies is found in and can be contracted through blood and saliva, so I'm willing to bet you could get it through semen. Rabies is comparatively rare and outbreaks are usually well publicized. There is a treatment for it, for humans, but it's fatal one way or the other for dogs. Again, as with lyme disease, no one is going to assume that you'd have caught it sexually. There may be a few other things, funguses, or things like hantavirus that will affect both of us. In these cases, however, there doesn't seem to be much if any literature of it being passed between our two species. We usually get it independently from the same source. Hantavirus is an airborne, usually transmitted from mice or mouse droppings. It isn't normally seen to transmit through bodily fluids, or oral or genital contact. I mean, listen, we don't seem to give hantavirus to each other by sexual contact. Generally, while there are common illnesses, they seem rare in the population, and they don't tend to transmit sexually, or if they can, there are so many other vectors no Doctor or Vet is going to say to themselves "hmmm this woman *must* have had sex with her dog to catch this." You're secret is safe. If your dog is not going on long nocturnal rambles through the wilderness, you've probably got nothing to worry about on either count. Overall, I'd say keep him at home for safety. As a general rule, I'd say that risk of disease is nil. Dogs have an intestinal parasite in their bowels, it's pretty normal and harmless for them, but in humans it could be very nasty. Literally eat the lining of your intestines. Also, parasites like worms, such as tapeworms can cross species. Worms and other parasites are mainly in the bowels, so avoid genital or oral contact with their anuses, don't stick your tongue in their asshole, and don't indulge in scat practices and you'll be okay. If you do, wash immediately or as soon as possible. Other parasites? Well, you can get fleas. But that's really a matter of hygeine for both of you. As far as hygeine goes, I'm told that dogs are very clean. I've heard in a couple of different places, that their penises are actually two or three times cleaner and more bacteria free than men's penises. How you'd find something like that out in the first place is completely beyond me, so I can't vouch for it one way or the other. I've just heard it that's all. I've also heard that dog's mouths are very clean, especially compared to human mouths. They have much less bacteria, and their saliva kills bacteria. This makes sense, as their mouths are more open than ours, our mouth cavity is like a pocket, a much more hospitable place for germs. I'm also told that dog's saliva kills a lot of bacteria and viruses, so when they're licking wounds or sores, it's actually helping them to heal. This also makes some sense to me, as natural carnivores and scavengers, their juices all the way to the stomach would be a lot stronger. Saliva would have to be strong because food particles around their mouths could become very rotten and toxic. Again, I can't vouch for it, but it seems to make some sense. Finally, there's a very rare possibility that some women may be allergic to the proteins in dog semen. I've not actually heard of any cases of this, but I don't think it's the sort of thing anyone advertises. I talked to a breeder once who was allergic to bull semen, if any got on his skin the area would break out in a rash. And I read once of a woman who was allergic to human semen. How do you know if you're allergic. Well, you should be able to find out before you have sex with him. Jerk him off. If it gets on your skin, and your skin becomes puffy, itchy, inflamed, or gets a rash, you may have an allergic reaction going. In which case, I certainly don't recommend having him come inside you. But, there are such things as condoms and I've seen some pictures of a dog wearing one. You should, of course, ensure that your dog is healthy. Make sure he's checked by the vet from time to time, make sure that he has his shots and pills for worms. If it's a strange dog always check his penis to make sure it looks normal and there's nothing odd. Anyway, this is the best I've been able to find out about the subject. I can't guarantee it, but it's the state of the art so far as I know. * Conclusion * Anyway, that's about it. My purpose in writing this guide was to help you understand sexuality and the sex act from the dog's viewpoint, to understand his nature and outlook, so that your experience will be positive. I've strayed from that a little, into areas that I think are also important. A lot of this, you will find, will flow naturally. Your encounter with him should proceed easily and comfortably and can easily go all the way effortlessly your first time with him. If you experience problems, hopefully this may help you to understand what's going wrong. I think you'll also find that your encounter can be a process of discovery. Of getting to know him and yourself. Of new sensations and new experiences. Don't look at this guide as a final word, but rather, as a starting point, a place to begin a strange, wonderful adventure. Good luck and enjoy each other.  Two openings available at Mr. Brownstone Academy of Dance . | ||||
| Ants in My Pants Billy Prettiest Butterfly in the garden All Blow job poems ©Fez 2002-2003. I'm obsessed with Alkey's penis. | posted on 08-25-2001 @ 8:37 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Apr. 01 | Did GonzoStyle hack into Mr. Brownstone's account??? | ||||
| Spork | posted on 08-25-2001 @ 8:58 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | ...I'm waiting for the next post which will surely be something like: The Why, When and How of Father/Daughter/Canine Sex Eccchhhhhhh! Awful!  "Look how hot they're getting. And that's an old picture," Anthony says. | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 08-25-2001 @ 9:03 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Next is sure to be horses. Brownstone, I doubt I'll be able to look at ya the same way EVER again.  Me droogies: HydratedPeach is siiiiingin' in the rain. Syndra has graduated and will one day take on droogs of her own. One position available. Come and get one in the yarbles.... if you have any yarbles. | ||||
| Shelle Bink True star of the celebrity softball game: the redhead in section 101. | posted on 08-25-2001 @ 9:13 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jul. 01 | Are you trying to tell us something about your dog/family Mr. B? WOWing Gets You Things... | ||||
| SeeYouNextTuesday G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Elite Ninja Gaiden Infiltration Unit | posted on 08-25-2001 @ 9:37 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | quote: I didn't really expect to be the first to make a GS comment. But Brownstone, had it been too long since the last official gross-out and you had to step in for Gonzo?
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| Mr. Brownstone | posted on 08-25-2001 @ 10:01 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | quote: A - How to have more Fun with your Stallion So-o-o-o, maybe you've thought about trying to make it with a stallion...after all, they sure look like a good time. Here's a few tips on how to make the experience more rewarding for both of you. 1) Find a stallion: preferably somewhere where no one will hear him grunting and snorting, and come to investigate...Older stallions are better; they are more sensible, and less likely to spaz out and hurt someone. Don't even bother with the ones who are half-crazy already, they only get worse when stimulated. 2) The Approach: Quietly walk up to about 10' from him and stop. Let him come to you to investigate. Move very slowly, so as not to startle him, and let him sniff you over...gently pet his neck and withers and murmur encouraging words -win his trust-. At this point it is helpful to smell like a mare in heat...it does wonders for their libido. 3) Smell like an estrus mare: Find a mare in heat, usually 5-6 days out of every 21 (I know it ain't that easy). Approach as in 2) above...pet her flanks and work your way slowly back to rub her tush, and base of her tail. Watch her ears...if she resents this contact she will flatten them back, and swish her tail...further pursuit could lead to being kicked. If the mare does not seem to object, GENTLY dip a finger into her vulva, getting her natural aroma on your hands...some mares will not cooperate and move away from the contact... remember, that is their choice. If the mare tolerates your advances, continue to massage her privates...if she really responds well (by raising her tail and squatting), you can try...oh, yeah...that's for my follow-up article soon to come "How to have more fun with your mare" 4) Restraint: yes, it's a good idea. Some studs get overly excited and react by kicking, biting and/or trying to mount you, all of which are no fun unless yer into S and M too...(although a quick nip on the rump can be fun). Take a halter and lead rope and tie him to a stout object using a slipknot...you do know how to tie a slipknot, don't you? If not, see yer local cub scouts for lessons. The reason for the slipknot is to be able to release him instantly if there's a problem. 5) The Rub: Let the stallion smell the nice, fresh mare odor on your hands- he should respond with snorts, whinnies and (hopefully) an erection. Starting with his neck, pet him gently, massaging his withers and slowly working your way back to his belly and privates. Some studs will get kinda twitchy at this point, swish their tails and kick- stay close to his body, and away from his rear to be safe...avoid being mashed into the stall walls by his body. If he starts to act up quit immediately, calm him down, and start again from the beginning of this step. 6) Clean and Jerk: Unless the horse is seeing active service his penis is probably covered with a layer of smegma, dead skin flakes, etc...it doesn't taste great, nor is terribly useful for lubricating purposes. Wash him up with clean water or -gently- rub the accumulations from his shaft. Apply lube.. K-Y works well. I've found its best to rub the shaft till he's fully-erect, then transfer your attention to the head of the penis. Maintaining a steady pressure on the sensitive glans penis, let him do the thrusting...they usually won't come unless they can thrust-meet his strokes with your own movements. Use your own shameless imagination from this point...again being careful of kicks, love-bites, etc. B - Helpful Tips: Stallions 1) Wear steel-toed boots to protect your toes from being stomped on. 2) Most Stallions quickly learn to enjoy this stuff, and will come to bug you for more in the future. If they resent this type of contact, don't try to force it or you risk getting creamed...I've seen 'em kick a stall door clean off its hinges 3) A little lube is helpful...I usually carry a 3:2 mix of KY and water in a contact lens cleaner bottle... a little more discreet than big tubes of KY. 4) DO NOT get under him or stick yer face down there unless you absolutely know and trust him...some stallions will try to lie down on top of you (squii-i-ish!), or kick suddenly and cost you a lot of expensive dental work. 5) Wear a safety helmet- I know it sounds weird, but their hooves are like rocks and can easily crush your skull. A broken head can ruin a friendship, so its a good idea to wear a helmet (of course, if you get caught playing with him you'd look REALLY SILLY wearing a helmet but "better safe than dead" I always say). 6) Did he come? Well, when a stallion comes, the tip of his penis (the glans) swells up (flares) into a mushroom shape the size of your fist or bigger... he'll thrust a couple more times then ejaculate 3-4 ounces of semen with enough force to shoot 5 feet. His semen is whitish and runny like eggwhite... do not confuse with pre-ejaculate, which is watery and clear....he will drip copious amounts of this before he comes. NOTE: Those of you into anal/vaginal sex...do NOT attempt to put his penis into you unless you can already accommodate something the size of a human arm and fist...you risk rupture, and peritonitis if he's too big (plus it'd be real hard to explain what happened to the emergency room staff :) ) ALWAYS REMEMBER: A stallion is an unpredictable animal...he may be fine one minute, then explode into 1200 pounds of biting, kicking horseflesh. He may be enjoying himself but he doesn't know his own strength and can disable or kill you without meaning to. If you aren't familiar with the proper handling of equines I strongly urge you to find someone who does to help you the first time (I know that's tough to do, but its for both of your safeties). C - How to have more Fun with your Mare Well, maybe you tried the stallion, and maybe you haven't. This article is for those of you who might be interested in mares, but haven't had the opportunity to make the most out of the situation... 1) Find a Mare: Easier said than done, sometimes! Locate a likely recipient to your advances and get to know her...spend lots of time scratching her withers and tickling her, share breath and build her trust with you-even the most receptive mares won't have anything to do with someone they don't feel at ease with. Get to know her on a more personal level. 2) Determine if she's in heat: Most (not all, but most) mares are totally unreceptive to sexual advances when they are not in estrus. In mares the cycle is 21 days on average...16 out, then 5-6 days in, with the mare getting progressively more "hot" till she ovulates and goes out of heat about 12 hours later. Most mares will not go out of their way to show estrus signs to humans unless already accustomed to sexing with them. The best way to get her to show signs is by exposing her to a stallion or particularly randy gelding. This is caused "teasing" the mare in the breeding business, and is when the stallion does his screaming, snorting, prancing thing to show off...just like many college freshmen. The estrus mare should respond by raising her tail, squatting and emitting a stream of urine. She will also "wink" at you...by contracting her vaginal muscles and exposing her clitoris. Wink... wink... wink... you get the idea. The clitoris in the mare looks like a half-dollar-size replica of the stallion's glans penis...it is located at the bottom of the vaginal opening. The mare will usually stand quietly in the squatting position until bred. If the mare responds to the stud by laying her ears back, biting, kicking, etc. ..it's a pretty safe bet to say she's not in heat and you should try again later. Since some folks don't have access to stallions, there are some other signs of estrus including: A) Their labia tend to get fuller and looser...if you pull them apart (carefully, don't get kicked!) you will see that the vaginal lining is cherry-red, in contrast to its normal ruddy pink color. There will also be greater-than-usual amounts of lubrication present. B) The cervix is loose and drapes down in folds when in estrus...when not, it's tight and budlike in appearance... (this one's no good unless you have access to and know how to use a vaginal speculum...ask yer vet to show you a cervix sometime... it looks like a little pink flower). C) Some inexperienced mares will even respond to a human's advances if you can role-play well...sniff at her rump, snort, "bite" her flanks by pinching gently (or just go on ahead an' bite her!), tickle her and massage her external genitalia... maybe gently insert a finger or three...if she responds, then she's ready -if she puts up a fuss or tries to walk away then leave her be. She's obviously not interested, and further attention of that nature will probably just piss her off and make her resent future advances. However, if she seems to like what's going on you may then... 3) Proceed with Caution: Lube up and. using your fingers, tongue or any other portion of your anatomy that feels good to you both, proceed to pleasure her... move in and out of her with deep, slow strokes. I have noticed that the "hot spot" in mares is not the clitoris, but about 2-3 inches in on the bottom wall of the vagina just anterior (towards her head) to the urethral opening- they respond very favorably to massage there. It is possible to (gently!) insert your arm into her and slowly fist her, feeling how beautifully warm, soft and slippery her pussy is (my mare LOVES this). When they are ready to be bred they will usually be quite loose inside, and it's possible to reach all the way to the back wall of the vagina and her cervix. As you stimulate her she will then begin to slowly clamp down on your arm with her vagina. Move with the contractions and you will find her squeezing harder and harder as she approaches orgasm (yes, contrary to some studies I've read, mares DO experience orgasm, and how!). She will often squeeze with enough force to push your arm right back out...don't try to jam it back in or you could injure her...just continue to use your hand to massage the vestibule of the vagina as she contracts harder and harder. At this point my mare will usually begin to grunt in time to the contractions (sounds like OOOF!) until her climax is over, then she will pull away. Maregasm is usually accompanied by a stream of urine and natural lubricants, so be careful not to get soaked unless you're also into water sports. *Personal note for the morbidly curious* I usually work my mare with my hand to the point where she starts to contract, then climb on up and use my penis to finish the job...it feels great when they clamp down...they have amazing muscle control. When they are done coming they will usually pick themselves up and move away for a bit, then be ready to go again in five minutes or so. I have whiled away many a happy hour bringing my mare to orgasm over and over...they have incredible stamina and it's fun for both of us. When you're both done, give her a pat on the neck, thank her and talk nice to her- don't just take what you want and leave... cuz if yer nice she'll remember you and be even more receptive next time. C - Helpful Tips: Mares 1) Wear heavy boots to protect your toes. 2) Keep in close to her body...if she decides to kick you'll be harder to hit, and you can feel her tense-up before she decides to let ya have it. 3) It's a _real_ good idea to wash your hands and the mare's pubes before you go putting things into her...dirt/feces can carry bacteria that can cause her some real problems...use a mild soap like Ivory Liquid, and plenty of clean water to rinse...most mare's natural defenses can take care of the problem on their own, but there's no sense taking risks with her health if they can be avoided. 4) File your fingernails short n' smooth...a mare's vagina is very delicate, and it's easy to injure her if you're not careful. Don't put any foreign objects in her, either...no carrots or anything like that! 5) NEVER, EVER stick anything into/through her cervix- you can give her a nasty uterine infection, and if she's pregnant breaking the cervical plug means a high probability of aborting the foal, as well as complications for the mare. 6) In the Northern Hemisphere about 90% of mares will go completely out of heat between the months of Nov-Mar. This is called seasonal anestrus, and is a natural response to a decreased photoperiod. Putting them under artificial lighting can help hasten return to normal estrus cycles...there are a number of good texts on the subject. 7) Oh, yeah...If she's a big mare, you will need a bucket or stool to stand on. ..of course, you knew that :) ) *dodges thrown tomatoes* 8) Be careful not to get hurt...horses can be unpredictable. Two openings available at Mr. Brownstone Academy of Dance . | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 08-25-2001 @ 10:28 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | [Norton]NICE![/Norton] If you post the dolphin thing though, then we'll have to worry. Can you find one for elephants? Ostriches? Kangaroos? I wanna make ya work. Me droogies: HydratedPeach is siiiiingin' in the rain. Syndra has graduated and will one day take on droogs of her own. One position available. Come and get one in the yarbles.... if you have any yarbles. | ||||
| Austin The Dark Enforcer/Angry Stoned Pimp G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. New World Order Secret Police Chief Proud Inventor of the "Cream Cheese, Peanut Butter and Jelly" sandwich | posted on 08-25-2001 @ 10:31 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Feb. 01 | What the fuck did I just read? Holy Shit. U seem to know about this too well Brownstone. ::backs away from him and loads shotgun, runs like hell::: EDIT- After readin the Dog 1 its painfully obvious that u playgerized it from another site...the sad thing is...wht kind of sites are u going to to find this shit?  Members Of Austin University: RapeFantasizer If u have a problem with her, Let me know. If u would like to be adopted by me, I have one more slot open in Austin U, click on my sig to apply. BE DAILING!!!!! This message was edited by Austin on 8-25-01 @ 10:54 PM | ||||
| Ass4WOW | posted on 08-25-2001 @ 10:35 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jul. 01 | Holy Jesus Palomino, what fucking library are you hanging out in? Cutie In Training under GrkqtOandAfan | ||||
| Sluggo667 SLASH's New Buddy, but shhh... I am not allowed to tell anyone. | posted on 08-25-2001 @ 11:13 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Apr. 01 | Holy shit! My God, some people are so friggin' twisted. While MOST of us think that shit happening is repulsive,(myself included),If you tag it w/the Norton voice You'll puke yourself laughing!  Sluggo667...Neighbor of the beast... UH...I forgot what I wanted to say... AIM-Slugggo667 | ||||
| Spork | posted on 08-25-2001 @ 11:22 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | I believe that would be the "Jim Norton Presidential Library" "Look how hot they're getting. And that's an old picture," Anthony says. | ||||
| I Rooned It | posted on 08-25-2001 @ 11:23 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | "I don't see what the big fuss is all about." -Richard Gere. P.S.: got anything for small,furry, and sexy gerbil? Why Roon a Good Time?
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| DR. Buster Hymen | posted on 08-25-2001 @ 11:26 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | Where's the goddamned INAPPROPRIATE BELL when it is truly needed!!!!! As much good as the internet does, there will always be sick sites to F it up!!! DR. Buster Hymen DR. Buster Hymen "Spread Your Legs & Say Aahhh" Buster_Hymen@opieanthony.com | ||||
| fbdlingfrg wow, my name looks odd without 5 lines of type below it in bold and purple and red G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Red Wings Captain Cecil JBA~Remove the Pick & Click NOW! | posted on 08-25-2001 @ 11:34 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote:sooooo true.mr. b, you might want to seek professional help  i may be a little catholic boy, but i'm still HLJC 4 LIFE! | ||||
| Sephiroth | posted on 08-26-2001 @ 1:09 AM | | |||
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| KeeKee | posted on 08-26-2001 @ 2:19 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 00 | ::gets on knees and prays to God - Please don't let this "man" breed or have pets..amen:: | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 08-26-2001 @ 3:23 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | Heyo! Firstly, introductions all round. My name is [removed to protect dolphinlovers], musician, pre-vet student and Delphinic Zoophile. People are often wondering just what the hell zoophilia is. Zoophilia is best described as a love of animals so intimate that the person (and the animal) involved have no objections to expressing their affection for each other in the sexual fashion. This is not to be confused with bestiality, where a person forcefully mates an animal, without their consent, and with no mutual feelings whatsoever. This is something that I would never do to a dolphin, since I love them dearly, and treat them with the same respect that an honest husband would have for his wife and children. Dolphins are very intelligent, highly emotional and expressive creatures. They enjoy the company of humans, and if a relationship develops between a human and a dolphin, as has happened with me, they will, on occasion, wish to express their trust and affection for you in the most direct way; through mating, or sex-play. You see, dolphins do not use sex purely for procreative reasons. They use it as a way of strengthening the bonds between pod mates (mothers and calves included), and also for fun. Dolphins and humans share this common trait with very few other animals, so sometimes it makes me wonder when people continue to ask me "How DO you mate with a dolphin?". Easy. Let the dolphin tell you! Well, here is a selection of questions people have asked me, so I hope this sheds some light on the subject... Q1) How do I tell a male dolphin from a female one? A1) Probably the most common question I get asked. There are 2 ways of determining the sex of a dolphin. The most obvious way is to take a peek under the peduncle (the long part of the body connected to the tail flukes). On the dolphin's belly, directly opposite the dorsal fin, will be the umbilicus, or the navel of the dolphin. Looking further down towards the tail, you start to see the differences. Male dolphins have two separate slits for the penis (the urogenital opening) and the anus. These are separated by a bridge of skin. The male's urogenital opening is generally located further up the belly, towards the navel. Females, on the other fin, have one continuous larger slit, the anus located at the end of it. On either side of the genital slit, you will find two smaller slits; these are the mammary slits, where the nipples of the dolphin are kept for feeding the calves. The slit is also located closer to the tail stock of the dolphin. The other way to determine the sex of a dolphin, if you can't reach their belly, is to look at their mellon, or head. The males tend to have a fatter, rounder mellon, while the females are more sleek and streamlined. Q2) How do I know if a dolphin wants to have sex? A2) There are various ways a dolphin has of showing that she or he is interested in sex. Males are probably the easiest to detect. They will swim around, sporting an erection (anywhere between 10 to 14 inches long for a Bottle-nose), and will have no bones about swimming up to you and placing their member within reach of your hand. If you are in the water, they may rub it along any part of your body, or wrap it around your wrist or ankle. (Dolphin males have a prehensile penis. They can wrap it around objects, and carry them as such.) Their belly will also be pinkish in colour, which also denotes sexual excitement. Females can be a little harder. The most obvious way a female dolphin has of displaying her sexual interest is the pink-belly effect. Their genitals become very pink and swollen, making the genital region very prominent. They may be restless, or they may be acting as normal. If you are out of the water, they may swim up to you and roll belly up, exposing themselves to you, coupled with pelvic thrusts. If you are in the water, they may press their genitals up against yours, nibble your fingers, nuzzle your crotch, or do pelvic thrusts against you. Each dolphins way of expressing sexual readiness varies, so the longer you know the dolphin, the better you will detect when they are sexually active. Q3) What do I do if a dolphin wants to mate with me? A3) Accept, if possible! I will go through the steps involved with males and females... The Male: When a male dolphin is interested in you, about the only thing you can do, if you are male, is to masturbate him. (Unfortunately, I cannot speak for the female of the human species... it seems women just don't like dolphins enough... so I cannot say for sure if it is safe to mate with them. I would suspect not, due to a dolphins size, but then again, I cannot say for a woman.) WARNING! In the considerations of safety, you should NEVER let a male dolphin attempt anal sex with you. The Bottle-nose dolphin member is around 12 inches, very muscular, and the thrusting and the force of ejaculation (A male can come as far as 14 feet) would cause serious internal injuries, resulting in peritonitus and possible death. Unless you are the masochistic type, you will have a hard time explaining your predicament to the doctors in the emergency ward.... A male dolphin's member is roughly S-shaped, tapered at the end. If you are in the water with them, it is best to support the dolphin on his side, just under the water, with one hand, and handle him with the other. Male dolphins, I find, tend to prefer the base of the penis to be gently massaged and squeezed, as well as gently rubbed along it's length. It feels very much like the rest of the dolphin (ie. smooth and rubbery to the touch, but firmer). It doesn't take long for the male to ejaculate, around 40 seconds to a minute, and this is usually accompanied by either shuddering just prior to ejaculating, and thrusting and tail-arching during ejaculation. The force of ejaculation can be powerful at times, so it is best to keep your face out of the line of fire, or keep his member underwater. You can attempt to lick and suck on the end of it while masturbating as well, but be warned, do not try to give full throat, and get the hell out of the way before he ejaculates! A male dolphin could snap your neck in a accidental thrust, and that would be the end of that relationship. The Female: Well, the females are again a little trickier. There are two courses of action with a female fin: Masturbation, or mating. Masturbation: Female dolphins, once they show interest in you, can be supported in much the same way as the male, one hand under the fin, supporting her, the other doing the stimulating. The clitoris of the female is located at the top of the genital slit, and is a prominent lump when erect. You can rub this with your finger tips, or lick and suck it, but with the oral aspect, you might end up with a bruised nose as they thrust up into you. You can slide your hand gently into their genital opening, and feel around inside, rubbing gently. They feel warm and muscular inside, their labia like tough, squishy sponge when they are excited. Don't be surprised if they start to play with your hand inside them. They have very manipulative muscles, and can use them to carry and manipulate objects, including your hand. (They can do things that would make a regular human woman turn green with envy.) Their climax is coupled with stiffening, shuddering, sometimes a lot of thrusting, clinching of the vaginal muscles, and sometimes vocalization. Mating: This is harder. Obviously, being human, it is awkward, but not impossible to mate in open water. It is easier to have the dolphin in a shallow area (like the shallows just off the beach) around 1 1/2 to 2 feet deep. This is usually comfortable enough for both the dolphin and you. Gently, you should roll the dolphin on her side, so she is lying belly-towards you. You can prop yourself up on an elbow, and lie belly to belly against her. You may want to use the other arm to gently hold her close, and place the tip of your member against her genital slit. She will, if interested, arch her body up against you, taking you inside her body. There is usually a fair bit of wriggling and shifting, usually to get comfortable, both outside and inside. Once comfortable, though, females initiate a series of muscular vaginal contractions that rub the entire length of your member. They may also thrust rhythmically against you, so enjoy the experience while you can, since you will rarely last longer that a minute or two. Just prior to her climaxing, she will up the speed of her contractions and thrusts. It is interesting to note that the times I have mated with females, they have timed their orgasm to mine. Whether they do this consciously or not, I do not know, but it is a great feeling to have two bodies shuddering against each other at the one time. One thing to note. Whether you masturbate or mate a fin, male or female, always spend time with them afterwards. Cuddle them, rub them, talk to them and most importantly, show them you love them. This is essential, as it helps to strengthen the bond between you. Like a way of saying that this wasn't just a one-night fling. The dolphins appreciate it, and they will want your company more the next time you visit them. Q4) What diseases can I get from dolphins? Can I give them any? A4) I have had no experiences with Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STD's) with dolphins, so I couldn't rightfully say. I do know, however, that you can pass the Flu between you, along with other respiratory problems. (I got a cold when a dolphin sneezed on me once. It cleared up after a week or so.) You can also pass some skin irritations on to them, if you handle them with chaffed or broken skin. Just like with a human, it is best to BE CLEAN when you handle a dolphin. If you have cuts on your hands, avoid touching them unless you wash with a Betadine surgical scrub prior to handling. This is available from most Veterinary and Surgical suppliers. If you have some disease of some sort, avoid mating, for the dolphins sake. This is a little known area, more so because Zoophilia is considered illegal in many places (which I think is a load of crud, but the law's the law....) Q5) Is their any way I can invite a dolphin to be masturbated? A5) Well, yes. If they are hanging around, but not looking particularly excited, but you are, you can invite them with this way... Male and Female dolphins can be invited by rolling them on their sides, again, but instead of going straight to the genital slit, rub along their bellies, between their pectoral fins, along the navel, and every once in a while, over the genital slit. If they are responsive, they will show the signs of excitement as described earlier, and you can proceed as usual. If, however, they are not responsive, they will swim away, or turn back upright. DO NOT force the issue with a dolphin! Trying to restrain them will only break their trust in you, and could cause you serious injury. Pat them, stroke them and talk to them lovingly, but do not try anything else. It is best, anyway, to let the dolphin tell you when they are ready. It is far more pleasant, and more fulfilling anyway. And more special. Q6) Where can I find a dolphin to mate with? A6) Aquariums are a bad choice, for many reasons. Too public, the dolphins are not in their natural habitat, night visits are impossible, etc etc... some may have external enclosures, which may be accessible, but that is no guarantee. Best thing sometimes is to find a beach or a cove that the dolphins frequent. It takes time to develop a relationship with a dolphin to the point where they will let you mate with them (although some have been as quick as 3 days to acclimatize). Gaining their trust takes time, and you need to visit frequently. This is impossible for some people, I understand, but it is the best way. Sometimes you just need to be in the right place at the right time. I have been extremely lucky on two occasions with wild dolphins, and my current mate is a dolphin who lives in the harbor of my resident city. Well, I hope this is of use to whoever is interested. One final note. You should love a dolphin, not because of the sexual relief they can provide, but because they are a unique animal, one of the few wild animals that seek the company of man by their own initiative. This is special. Do not abuse it.  If I could capture the rage of today's youth and bottle it Crush the glass from my bare hands and swallow it Then spit it back in the faces of you racists and hypocrites who think the same shit but don't say shit You Liberace's, Versace's, and you nazis Watch me, cause you thinkin you got me in this hot seat You motherfuckers wanna JUDGE me cause you're NOT me She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| katya_ann That's Miss Jesus Cooze to you! | posted on 08-26-2001 @ 3:25 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | I.... Uh.... Um.... Why.... What?! Der.... Can- can- can we start this thread over again? Only, next time, make it not so much like Satan's bathroom reading? Please?!?!?! *huddles in corner and weeps softly to herself*   Walk it off, deek... | ||||
| Sephiroth | posted on 08-26-2001 @ 4:15 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | quote: Jesus christ man, you can hit us with that thing all at once !
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